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TSI David
TSI David
Premium,VIP
join:2007-06-25
Chatham, ON
reply to Frozty2k
Re: tsi unlimited logins

There will always be test@test for a second ip test login but I do agree on how this can definately hurt the non abusive users...
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TSI David - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.


R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON

reply to Angelo_
said by Angelo_ See Profile :

time to qos abusive people.. as much as we had traffic shaping its better then getting kicked off
Who knows..... Believe I've seen a few discussions of late about sand vines in sympatico forums and other throttling means in Rogers/etc... Not sure if this is the solution for them or if they're simply planning on blacklisting users/locations. Everything is still unknown as of yet, but, as I've just stated..... People are wanting it all now, instead of in small bites/bytes, so it's causing large, uncontrollable spikes during prime times for the big boys and thus, they have to fight back.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.


R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON

reply to Frozty2k
said by Frozty2k See Profile :

Wow, I can't see people doing 1TB+ a month doing it for personal use. I mean, assuming most of it isn't streaming stuff etc, you would need a lot of space, HD's are cheap but not that cheap.

Companies do have the right to protect themselves and their users, all I ask is for the companies to be straightforward about it's policies / reasons and have actual packages for people to go to.
Yup... I can appreciate that.... but there are many users that are now downloading, on personal accounts, over 1TB.... It's hard not to blacklist such use, specially when you are going way backward from a financial standpoint with them....
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.


Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
reply to Angelo_
so if it gets out of ocntrol does that mean taht tsi will lay their own lines??


HiVolt
30
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

so if it gets out of ocntrol does that mean taht tsi will lay their own lines??
Come on Angelo, stop snorting that good stuff.
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GO LEAFS GO!


Frozty2k

join:2002-04-21
Oakville, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..

reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY See Profile :

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

time to qos abusive people.. as much as we had traffic shaping its better then getting kicked off
Who knows..... Believe I've seen a few discussions of late about sand vines in sympatico forums and other throttling means in Rogers/etc... Not sure if this is the solution for them or if they're simply planning on blacklisting users/locations. Everything is still unknown as of yet, but, as I've just stated..... People are wanting it all now, instead of in small bites/bytes, so it's causing large, uncontrollable spikes during prime times for the big boys and thus, they have to fight back.
What kind of number would you put these spikes at for the largest ones?


Gwai Lo Dan

join:2007-01-24
St Catharines, ON
reply to R0CKY
Would / does Bell care if a $30 Teksavvy client downloads a TB? Is there any difference in cost to Bell if a person did the 1 TB download through a secondary Teksavvy account / primary Sympatico account?

dmz

join:2006-07-12
canada

said by Gwai Lo Dan See Profile :

Would / does Bell care if a $30 Teksavvy client downloads a TB? Is there any difference in cost to Bell if a person did the 1 TB download through a secondary Teksavvy account / primary Sympatico account?
It would affect Bell's network between the end-user, and, say, TekSavvy's servers. No?


HiVolt
30
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs:
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico

reply to Gwai Lo Dan
said by Gwai Lo Dan See Profile :

Would / does Bell care if a $30 Teksavvy client downloads a TB? Is there any difference in cost to Bell if a person did the 1 TB download through a secondary Teksavvy account / primary Sympatico account?
They are probably bitter that they are not getting the overcharge fees.
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GO LEAFS GO!


Frozty2k

join:2002-04-21
Oakville, ON
The max $30 fee ?


R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON


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reply to dmz
It's overloading things when all the heavy users go at it at the same time.... It hurts in two ways. The pipe is running red hot through the prime times and to boot it's running a tab on the ISP from a transit stand point. From the TekSavvy side the 1TB user would cost something like $50-$60 to carry on a $30 return and $30 to $40 on a $10 login.... no clue on the Bell/Rogers side what the damage is, but it's significant enough that they'd want to do something about it.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.


Gwai Lo Dan

join:2007-01-24
St Catharines, ON
·CIKTEL Telecom

reply to Frozty2k
said by Frozty2k See Profile :

The max $30 fee ?
He means the fee for going over 60 GB, had he been with Sympatico.


Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
reply to Angelo_
maybe it's time to make partnerships with the states for bw... and take advantage of our dollar :P, also may let you sell to our friends south of the border!


R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

maybe it's time to make partnerships with the states for bw... and take advantage of our dollar :P, also may let you sell to our friends south of the border!
There are many of these options being looked at but the problem still remains, regardless of where we associate with.
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

dmz

join:2006-07-12
canada

reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY See Profile :

It's overloading things when all the heavy users go at it at the same time.... It hurts in two ways. The pipe is running red hot through the prime times and to boot it's running a tab on the ISP from a transit stand point. From the TekSavvy side the 1TB user would cost something like $50-$60 to carry on a $30 return and $30 to $40 on a $10 login.... no clue on the Bell/Rogers side what the damage is, but it's significant enough that they'd want to do something about it.
Would the cost (to TekSavvy) be the same if this user confined his downloading to off-peak hours? (say, from 1am to 7am)


R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON

said by dmz See Profile :

said by R0CKY See Profile :

It's overloading things when all the heavy users go at it at the same time.... It hurts in two ways. The pipe is running red hot through the prime times and to boot it's running a tab on the ISP from a transit stand point. From the TekSavvy side the 1TB user would cost something like $50-$60 to carry on a $30 return and $30 to $40 on a $10 login.... no clue on the Bell/Rogers side what the damage is, but it's significant enough that they'd want to do something about it.
Would the cost (to TekSavvy) be the same if this user confined his downloading to off-peak hours? (say, from 1am to 7am)
It would likely help us yes... For that matter, it would likely help all ISPs. Problem is that it would depend on how they all judge abusers. If they're simply using a tabbing system, then no matter....
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.


Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18
reply to Angelo_
how about offering cable internet :P hehe im so greedy :P


R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

how about offering cable internet :P hehe im so greedy :P
Rogers, Cogeco, Videotron, Shaw... They're all starting to clamp down too.... By Christmas, if all the trends hold, every single large TelCo and CableCo will have heavy downloaders either locked down/out or throttled.

Rocky
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.


R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
Don't mean to leave you all, but I have to be elsewhere for a bit.... Will check in with you all around midnight.

Later,

Rocky
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.

dmz

join:2006-07-12
canada

reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY See Profile :

said by dmz See Profile :

said by R0CKY See Profile :

It's overloading things when all the heavy users go at it at the same time.... It hurts in two ways. The pipe is running red hot through the prime times and to boot it's running a tab on the ISP from a transit stand point. From the TekSavvy side the 1TB user would cost something like $50-$60 to carry on a $30 return and $30 to $40 on a $10 login.... no clue on the Bell/Rogers side what the damage is, but it's significant enough that they'd want to do something about it.
Would the cost (to TekSavvy) be the same if this user confined his downloading to off-peak hours? (say, from 1am to 7am)
It would likely help us yes... For that matter, it would likely help all ISPs. Problem is that it would depend on how they all judge abusers. If they're simply using a tabbing system, then no matter....
I wonder if there would be any interest in a "bulk" login. Basically, this traffic would be subject to traffic shaping, and receive lowest priority. (Similar to how a lot of industrial plants buy electricity -- they pay a lower price, but are the first to lose service if there is a shortage.) I *think* most heavy downloaders realize where they stand... I wonder if there would be enough of a cost/benefit for this type of system. The ISPs could smooth out the peaks, and the downloaders could still download all they want.
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