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Angelo_
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tsi unlimited logins

where did they go?

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

LOL, Angelo, you're so descriptive...
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Marshal
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

He mean that they are not offered anymore on the site

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by Marshal See Profile :

He mean that they are not offered anymore on the site
I know, I was just poking fun at him, because he posts one liners like this sometimes.
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Marshal
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

:P

jfmezei
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·ELECTRONICBOX

>where did they go?

They got scared of all the halloween decorations and went to hide under the porch.

Seriously, I don't see any mention of the $10 logins anywhere on the Teksavvy web site. I am perhaps blind. If there are still there, where are they ?

Note: it would be ironic that TS would have decided to remove them at the time time as Electronic Box added them !

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Maybe they weren't profitable.

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

Let's not speculate too much guys. I'm sure the TSI gang will shed some light on this soon.
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Angelo_
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rocky we are waiting for you!

R0CKY
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

rocky we are waiting for you!
I'd PM'd EBox so that they don't get themselves into some hot water over this also.

ok.... How should I say this...

Ahhum.... We've pulled the login-only service until official ruling on if one of the larger telcos will allow logins from alternate ISPs, such that, if you are on with, lets say one of the larger telcos, that you can't add a login with, say another company, and circumvent any AUPs of one of these larger telcos.

...that cryptic/clear enough!?
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R0CKY
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

There are issues surrounding AUPs of late that are going to be affecting the marketplace, so, in order to avoid getting our noses bent, for the time-being, we figure we might as well play nice until we know what the game is. In either case, $30/month, without contract... It's not a bad deal regardless.
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Oh boy, this is certainly gonna get interesting, and not in a good way...

If Bell starts restricting logins to only the one ISP the user subscribes to, this is going to take away one of the biggest advantages of PPPoE DSL, and I'm not talking about the 500gb+ month hogs.

Takes away the troubleshooting advantages, multiple IP's on different computers or routers, gamers using one low latency connection for their online play, another low cost, higher latency connection for downloading, etc...


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TSI Rocky
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by HiVolt See Profile :

Oh boy, this is certainly gonna get interesting, and not in a good way...

If Bell starts restricting logins to only the one ISP the user subscribes to, this is going to take away one of the biggest advantages of PPPoE DSL, and I'm not talking about the 500gb+ month hogs.

Takes away the troubleshooting advantages, multiple IP's on different computers or routers, gamers using one low latency connection for their online play, another low cost, higher latency connection for downloading, etc...


This is why we're sitting on the sidelines right now as this has been voiced and for what it's worth, it's understood, so they're trying to find a way to allow such activities that wouldn't cramp progress, but at the same time wouldn't allow the abusiveness.... Problem is, it's asking to have your cake and eat it too....
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by R0CKY See Profile :

This is why we're sitting on the sidelines right now as this has been voiced and for what it's worth, it's understood, so they're trying to find a way to allow such activities that wouldn't cramp progress, but at the same time wouldn't allow the abusiveness.... Problem is, it's asking to have your cake and eat it too....
I hear ya... I'm gonna try to stay positive in the mean time.
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by HiVolt See Profile :

said by R0CKY See Profile :

This is why we're sitting on the sidelines right now as this has been voiced and for what it's worth, it's understood, so they're trying to find a way to allow such activities that wouldn't cramp progress, but at the same time wouldn't allow the abusiveness.... Problem is, it's asking to have your cake and eat it too....
I hear ya... I'm gonna try to stay positive in the mean time.
You and me both!
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jfmezei
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Mister Rocky:

I would much rather see ISPs "self control" their offering to prevent Bell/Nexia from putting in controls at the DSL and ATM cloud level.

I would be very comfortable if you installed limits to everyone, but make those limits reasonable and also move them up as available bandwith increases/or as you can afford.

In terms of the cogent vs peer1, perhaps the "unlimited" could have 200 gig limit while the peer1 would be at 125.
(or whatever). You may also need to automate accounting of bandwidth consumption so that you can offer affordable purchase of excess bandwidth.

I realise that the introduction of the unlimited offerering was as a result of demand for such a service. But if they are going to ruin it for everyone, and you end up losing the unlimited business anyways, you might as well kill the unlimited offering now before they ruin it for everyone.
daboom

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

Hear .. Hear to that.. I agree on the capping Unlimited side somethings that's in the fine print but made clear if you go over. If the Unlimited is in demand then it should be priced accordingly perhaps several ten's of dollars above premium. If they want it that bad they will pay for it. Esp if big players are capping. Just my 2 cents ..

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by daboom See Profile :

Hear .. Hear to that.. I agree on the capping Unlimited side somethings that's in the fine print but made clear if you go over. If the Unlimited is in demand then it should be priced accordingly perhaps several ten's of dollars above premium. If they want it that bad they will pay for it. Esp if big players are capping. Just my 2 cents ..
Well don't forget people in the middle, I'll use more then 100GB but I wouldn't want to pay for 500GB
daboom

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

Well Frozty2k, they already have stuff for ppl like you averagein out two months etc. Or so much per gb over after.

Frozty2k

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by daboom See Profile :

Well Frozty2k, they already have stuff for ppl like you averagein out two months etc. Or so much per gb over after.
I'd be willing to pay more, but not $3/GB as the overage fee is (Not when it only costs a few cents in reality)

I would probably average somewhere 120-150GB, so I don't think ten's of dollars more would be nice.

So just saying, if going that route have multiple packages or a fair price per/gb i.e. buy extra chunks of 10-50GB for a few dollars.

R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

Been waiting to annouce this portion but, effective November 1st, the transit rate will be $1/GB over on overage.

The part we haven't figured out yet is what we're doing with unlimited.... and for what it's worth, we're waiting to see what the deal is with the login/abusers situation will come up with. If we can come up with a happy medium with everyone, then we will, simple as that. We're in it to make money, but the goal is still to keep to our commitments/promises.

Rocky
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Angelo_
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i thought the ctrc ruled on this alrdy, thus allowing third party to offer services...

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said by Angelo_ See Profile :

i thought the ctrc ruled on this alrdy, thus allowing third party to offer services...
Without getting into specifics (not that it's not obvious enough) we've been having a bunch of meetings of late with various parties and with rising speeds comes a grouping of people that are becoming astronomically abusive...... To have someone go 1TB or more in a month is absurd, so certain bodies have started to react and put their foot down. Problem with that is it will affect certain people and connections.

So........ fair warning to those who are overdoing it on larger telcos. If you get blocked for excessive downloading, there's a damn good chance you're not going elsewhere. Both telcos and cablecos are starting to weed out the major downloaders by clamping down on the copper entirely.

As much as I/we enjoy saying unlimited, we have to face the facts.... There's a select group of download fiends that are going to spoil it for everyone, and the larger boys have taken it upon themselves to do something about it (See Verizon, Bell, Rogers, Telus, Cogeco, Videotron.... they're all firing clients). This is no longer a joke boys and girls.

Rocky
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

We don't need a snowjob or whatever you may call it up here in Canada. We've been lied to too many times. In America it's simple you cap you go out of business. Comcast is learning this and believe you me they'll learn when they pay out hundreds of millions in lawsuits and go the way of chapter 11. Hopefully one day this country will wake up instead of having the wool pulled over their eyes by isp's telling us lies and more lies.

Bellunder

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Translation 20,000 people give or take a few got the letter from Bell sympatico. Bell is going the way of rogers and and not spending any money to upgrade... shaft the subscriber is more profitable. Rocky are you telling us in not so many words you don't want their business?

Angelo_
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time to qos abusive people.. as much as we had traffic shaping its better then getting kicked off

R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

time to qos abusive people.. as much as we had traffic shaping its better then getting kicked off
Who knows..... Believe I've seen a few discussions of late about sand vines in sympatico forums and other throttling means in Rogers/etc... Not sure if this is the solution for them or if they're simply planning on blacklisting users/locations. Everything is still unknown as of yet, but, as I've just stated..... People are wanting it all now, instead of in small bites/bytes, so it's causing large, uncontrollable spikes during prime times for the big boys and thus, they have to fight back.
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by R0CKY See Profile :

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

time to qos abusive people.. as much as we had traffic shaping its better then getting kicked off
Who knows..... Believe I've seen a few discussions of late about sand vines in sympatico forums and other throttling means in Rogers/etc... Not sure if this is the solution for them or if they're simply planning on blacklisting users/locations. Everything is still unknown as of yet, but, as I've just stated..... People are wanting it all now, instead of in small bites/bytes, so it's causing large, uncontrollable spikes during prime times for the big boys and thus, they have to fight back.
What kind of number would you put these spikes at for the largest ones?

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Wow, I can't see people doing 1TB+ a month doing it for personal use. I mean, assuming most of it isn't streaming stuff etc, you would need a lot of space, HD's are cheap but not that cheap.

Companies do have the right to protect themselves and their users, all I ask is for the companies to be straightforward about it's policies / reasons and have actual packages for people to go to.

TSI David
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

There will always be test@test for a second ip test login but I do agree on how this can definately hurt the non abusive users...
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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said by Frozty2k See Profile :

Wow, I can't see people doing 1TB+ a month doing it for personal use. I mean, assuming most of it isn't streaming stuff etc, you would need a lot of space, HD's are cheap but not that cheap.

Companies do have the right to protect themselves and their users, all I ask is for the companies to be straightforward about it's policies / reasons and have actual packages for people to go to.
Yup... I can appreciate that.... but there are many users that are now downloading, on personal accounts, over 1TB.... It's hard not to blacklist such use, specially when you are going way backward from a financial standpoint with them....
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Angelo_
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so if it gets out of ocntrol does that mean taht tsi will lay their own lines??

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said by Angelo_ See Profile :

so if it gets out of ocntrol does that mean taht tsi will lay their own lines??
Come on Angelo, stop snorting that good stuff.
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said by Angelo_ See Profile :

so if it gets out of ocntrol does that mean taht tsi will lay their own lines??
TSI does not have tens/hundreds of millions in their bank accounts to finance such a thing. It would be nice to have a next-gen optical network as the third option but multi-billion companies are not in the business of spending hundreds of millions to capture high-maintenance markets (low population density = lots of long fiber runs to service a few customers here and there... extremely expensive installation and potentially very expensive maintenance) we have in Canada, even more so when commercial success is unclear at best.

As long as TSI will be offering $30 ADSL, the simplest and only logical thing to do is kill unlimited... cap it to no more than 500GB to keep Bell not too unhappy - all ADSL traffic does have to go through at least part of Bell's core switches to get to/from DSLAMs to/from ISP trunks. With the number of subscribers switching from cable to unlimited ADSL, Bell and Telus' core switches are going to have a workout.

Angelo_
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maybe it's time to make partnerships with the states for bw... and take advantage of our dollar :P, also may let you sell to our friends south of the border!

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

maybe it's time to make partnerships with the states for bw... and take advantage of our dollar :P, also may let you sell to our friends south of the border!
There are many of these options being looked at but the problem still remains, regardless of where we associate with.
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Angelo_
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how about offering cable internet :P hehe im so greedy :P

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Angelo_
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or a group where bw is shared.... users can set wwho gets what priority.

rocky the cable internet may help those of uswho have bad dsl lines

The Flash
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I guess the 16 meg users ruined it for some.

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If Tek does put a cap on, I wouldn't mind as long as it's not 60Gb like the Cable companies. I see the number 500Gb being thrown around, that wouldn't be too bad. It's way more than I download in a month anyway, so it wouldn't affect me, but it would be nice to have a high cap.

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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by neko See Profile :

If Tek does put a cap on, I wouldn't mind as long as it's not 60Gb like the Cable companies. I see the number 500Gb being thrown around, that wouldn't be too bad. It's way more than I download in a month anyway, so it wouldn't affect me, but it would be nice to have a high cap.
There premium is 100 gigs and so the unlimited account if it was to get capped would be more than that....As far what is reason amount I'm not they guy to ask...I do about about 350 - 500 gigs a month depending on how much I work from home...Now with the new wireless cards we have at the office and the real nice laptops that should get cut down a lot.....
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hey leave my 500gb usage alone!
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But wasnt the fact that premium and unlimited were on different peering network the way to make unlimited profitable ?
In essence unlimited users were paying the same price but were put on a network with more latency so that to lower cost.

I wonder how Korea and sweden gets 10+ Mpbs unlimited fiber residential service when we, with our billions of surplus, are struggling with this. Their people are more technology oriented and elects politicians who make it a priority to set standards/invest in/develop network infrastructure ?

Private companies lacking regulation will never make the hard choices and invest for the collective good nor should they some would argue.

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Angelo_
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so no more unlimited???

R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

so no more unlimited???
Never said that..... Just not sure how to deal with it yet, and until we find a suitable option that makes sense to us, we're going to keep selling what we said we'd sell.... Unlimited and Premium!

I'm just pointing out the obvious right now... There's a lot of crap that's starting to go down of late and better air it out now before a freight train side swipes us all!

Rocky
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Angelo_
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

can't you team up with third party isps if you have to verizon and offer service through a new medium ie adsl2+ on a shared medium that no one party controls?

R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

said by Angelo_ See Profile :

can't you team up with third party isps if you have to verizon and offer service through a new medium ie adsl2+ on a shared medium that no one party controls?
Yes.... You mind being disconnected for about 5-10 years while we implement it!?

...this is why the CRCT puts plans in place for having Bell/Telus/etc open up to others. There just too much involved both in geography and legals, never-mind costs.

Rocky
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Angelo_
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honnestly if rocky can get a better plan them all of us are forced to pay per gb over i'd be happy lol

Angelo_
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josh i thought you said you were going to bed

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might have to start soemwhere... looks like it will be the only option in the meanwhile you guys would still use bell lines. A easy way to offload the costs could be install stingers in areas where you got customers and as you grow expand it.

but this isn't going to be pretty in the end. You could always do a big screw you to big bell and partner with BIG US isps who would die to get into our market..., ie adsl2 services at x rate threw isp x

R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Re: tsi unlimited logins

Doubt a Verizon would have much interest in stepping over... they'd be best to keep with the population State Side.

Now, with all the stuff going on between China/US, if we were to merge somehow with the US for our dollar, then who knows what could come next. With the walls down between the two countries, just about anything is possible, and with China's accelerated growth....hmm....

Rocky
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