karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
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| Good for them
It's high time that internet access is finally treated like it really is, a UTILITY. Having the state/county provide a REQUIRED service (like phone, water, electricity, roads, fire trucks), is a GOOD thing for the communities. It's good that at least SOME parts of the country recognize the greedy megacorps for what they are. They don't want to provide high speed service, but they also don't want anyone else too. Too bad for the evil empire, but the citizens have spoken.
A quote from the article.
"the true purpose of government was to do what is best for the people it serves" and "What I relish is the idea that I will now have a choice. That is the most wonderful tool a consumer can have when dealing with a monopoly because it enables you to tell “Mrs. Rude” or “Charlie I-Don’t Care” what they can do with their wire."
The more the megacorps try to tighten their grip, the more communities will slip through their grasp.
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TK Junk Mail
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| I doubt the citizens will feel so approving of government when their hard earned tax dollars are spent on the usual graft and waste of local government and the fiber installed costs more than any private business would incur.
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odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
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join:2001-08-05
Norcross, GA
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| said by TK Junk Mail  :I doubt the citizens will feel so approving of government when their hard earned tax dollars are spent on the usual graft and waste of local government and the fiber installed costs more than any private business would incur. Ummm....FIOS? Last time I checked VZ was a public company, but they are definitely a business and very much looking to make an eventual profit. They obviously believe in GPON/FTTH as an effective delivery method for VVD. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
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How do you get that? Their TAX dollars will flow right back into the community. Most likely, all the installers and employees will be citizens of the county, so, dollar for dollar, they are pumping it right back into their local economy. Vs. Comcast, who outsources all their work overseas, that means when people pay their comcast bill, the money is gone forever.
I'm willing to wager that every dollar they spend will provide much more LOCAL economic activity than ANY return they get spending money on comcast. I don't mind if my taxes go to pay LOCAL people, who spend their money LOCALLY.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
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said by TK Junk Mail :.... on the usual graft and waste of local government... unlike our national government, not all local governments are run by people that don't believe in government. Lots of government employees believe in government and try hard to make it work.
do you have specific information that tells you the local or state government is corrupt?
or is your statement a generalization of your belief that government is automatically dysfunctional and that all functions could be better handled by the private market? |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24
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Sure the installers and employees will live in the county. That's $12/hour flowing right back into the community. Too bad they have to spend $200 million up front before the citizens start seeing their taxes come back $12 at a time. |
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ieolus
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join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to nasadude
Its a reflexive action he has towards any type of activity that doesn't spawn from his beloved monopolies.
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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Too bad EPB does not behave like a utility. They are taking tax payer dollars to compete with Private Businesses. It would be one thing if Private business was not supplying HSI but there is very good coverage in Chattanooga from multiple providers.
Between Fiber, Wireless, DSL, and Cable just about every address in Chattanooga has at least 2 of these options. EPB Claims that we do not, and that the fastest speed in town is a 1.5Mb T1. EPB claims that Comcast is the only choice for "Cable Tv" They have never heard of Direct TV or Dish Network, and yes they both carry locals.
It should also be noted that it will cost around $1,500 per EPB customer (not served customer) to install the network. If the network fails it will become a 2% rate hike for all EPB customers.
The city fails to understand that this will not hurt Comcast or AT&T, it will only hurt the local providers in Chattanooga. Comcast and AT&T make billions each year. They have the resources and very deep pockets to level EPB. |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24
| said by battleop :Too bad EPB does not behave like a utility. They are taking tax payer dollars to compete with Private Businesses. It would be one thing if Private business was not supplying HSI but there is very good coverage in Chattanooga from multiple providers. That's outdated thinking. Networks should be public owned like roads. Sure they're forcing your to buy the cars to drive on the roads too, but that's beside the point. |
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MrMoody
Liberal Capitalist
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC
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| reply to TK Junk Mail
Sure it will cost more, fiber never installed costs $0.
It's telling that the incumbents start suing every time a municipality tries to give its citizens what they want.
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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"Sure they're forcing your to buy the cars to drive on the roads too, but that's beside the point"
That's the whole point. Maybe if they allowed ISPs access to the network (not free access) like they promised with MetroNet. The city originally tired to offer Metronet as a Fiber Transport. ISPs would have bought into Metronet to reach businesses in Chattanooga. None of the ISPs really bought into it because it had a poor technical design. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
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said by Yauch :That's outdated thinking. Networks should be public owned like roads. Sure they're forcing your to buy the cars to drive on the roads too, but that's beside the point. That sounds great, but the problem is that EPB is taking taxpayer money, building their network to provide their services. Does EPB plan to open the network up for anyone to connect to and sell services? After all, if a publicly owned network, the public should be able to do business on the network...including AT&T, Comcast, etc. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
| But you just answered your own question. "TAXPAYER MONEY". Why should comcast/at&t or any other company be allowed to ride on TAXPAYER MONEY.
The TAXPAYERS think this is a good idea. Comcast and AT&T don't. Suprised? I'm not. What's good for the taxpayer isn't good for the megacorps. That's what this is all about, a network FOR THE PEOPLE.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·AT&T Southeast
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| Where have you been? Haven't read your "down with government, free everything for everyone" viewpoint for a while.said by karlmarx :But you just answered your own question. "TAXPAYER MONEY". Why should comcast/at&t or any other company be allowed to ride on TAXPAYER MONEY. Because if a corporation is doing business, they're paying taxes...often times, a lot more than you or I do.said by karlmarx :The TAXPAYERS think this is a good idea. Comcast and AT&T don't. Suprised? I'm not. What's good for the taxpayer isn't good for the megacorps. That's what this is all about, a network FOR THE PEOPLE. Great, but my original comment/point is still valid and should be addressed before you can have a network "for the people". |
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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said by odog :Ummm....FIOS? Last time I checked VZ was a public company, but they are definitely a business and very much looking to make an eventual profit. They obviously believe in GPON/FTTH as an effective delivery method for VVD. FiOS?
Where do you see Verizon in this?
»www01.epb.net/index.php?page=new···s&id=136
»www.epb.net/
There is more to fiber than just Verizon's FiOS.
From what I can see, this will be a EPB project - not Verizon.
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
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Excuse me the problem is no wealth is being generated. All you are doing is transferring dollars from one person to another. This is the classic broken window fallacy. You are telling the baker yes it huts that government takes his share of the 200,000,000 but the installers will buy more bread from him (not always true). The problem is you are not factoring in the baker out of x amount of dollars. In turn he will pass the cost on to the consumer in the way of higher prices and he is out of dollars that he could had use to better himself or his business like hire help or invest in new equipment. It ends up as a net loss for those involved. |
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odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
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join:2001-08-05
Norcross, GA
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| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :said by odog :Ummm....FIOS? Last time I checked VZ was a public company, but they are definitely a business and very much looking to make an eventual profit. They obviously believe in GPON/FTTH as an effective delivery method for VVD. FiOS? Where do you see Verizon in this? » www01.epb.net/index.php?page=new···s&id=136» www.epb.net/There is more to fiber than just Verizon's FiOS. From what I can see, this will be a EPB project - not Verizon. He was trying to make a point that no private business would do this because of the money it costs. I wasn't inferring that VZ was involved just pointing out that the second largest phone company in America is doing the same exactly thing on a much larger scale. If anything the costs would be the same if not cheaper than VZ as they have caused the cost of GPON gear to go down in price dramatically. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to karlmarx
why do incumbents even have a right to sue cities that want to deploy their own broadband networks?
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TK Junk Mail
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| said by Kearnstd :why do incumbents even have a right to sue cities that want to deploy their own broadband networks? Because in the US anyone can sue anyone over anything.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | reply to Richard B
But that's what karlmarx's wealth redistribution is all about. It doesn't matter if everyone loses, so long as everyone is on the same playing field and has the same thing. Ok in theory, but in practice, it suffers horribly. |
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