matrix3D
join:2006-09-27
Deep River, CT | reply to openbox9
Re: Here's a profound statement...
I believe he's referring to the fact that U-Verse is a far more inferior product than a true FTTH solution like Verizon's FIOS. No matter what way you look at it, running copper as opposed to fiber for any part of a connection is inferior. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
 ·AT&T Southeast
 ·Mediacom
| It's only inferior if you're following the "FTTH is the only way" crowd. Copper, fiber, wireless, tin cans and string, smoke signals....it doesn't matter what the conduit is as long as it's capable of carrying the data. So far (with exception of multiple HD streams, which I believe to be a minimal hurdle for most residential services), Uverse has proven that copper is capable of doing the job at this time. Utilizing existing copper lowers AT&T's expense, maintains relatively low consumer costs, and allows AT&T to do a phased deployment of FTTH at whatever point in time that it is required.
Bottom line is that for all of the whiners in this forum that don't feel they have competition, AT&T's efforts should be welcomed. I also fail to see how someone can legitimately bad-mouth a product without actually trying said product. |
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deadzoned
Premium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA
·Cox HSI
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September 18th, @10:58AM
| openbox9 -
I assume then that you have used the U-Verse service yourself? You seem to be just as bullish about your opinion that U-Verse is great.
I have news for you. Just because at&t is offering tv service in an extremely limited fashion to customers lucky enough to be in an area that actually offers U-Verse, does not automatically usher a new era of competition. We still have 2 major choices for tv - Cable or Satellite. We still have only 2 major choices for Internet - Cable or DSL.
This crappy, sub-par, U-Verse offering that at&t is "rolling out" is a loser in the race before it even starts. My current cable service blows away the current U-Verse offerings.
Oh, and I hope you are a patient person. I think pigs will fly and hell will freeze over before at&t offers U-Verse to the BellSouth areas. Besides, at that point, they will more than likely finally realize that U-Verse is inferior and begin considering running FTTH. I doubt it though, they seem pretty stupid to me.
Of course, you think that U-Verse is ushering in competition and choice, maybe you can wait.  |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | 'I think pigs will fly and hell will freeze over before at&t offers U-Verse to the BellSouth areas.'
Man, you should have read the memo before making that bet. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·Mediacom
| reply to deadzoned
said by deadzoned  :openbox9 - I assume then that you have used the U-Verse service yourself? You seem to be just as bullish about your opinion that U-Verse is great. No I haven't, and I don't mean to be bullish any more than you intend to be bearish. I was asking the question mainly to determine if you have firsthand experience or not.said by deadzoned :I have news for you. Just because at&t is offering tv service in an extremely limited fashion to customers lucky enough to be in an area that actually offers U-Verse, does not automatically usher a new era of competition. We still have 2 major choices for tv - Cable or Satellite. We still have only 2 major choices for Internet - Cable or DSL. I hope you realize this, but any competition to any market will be incremental. There is simply no mechanism to "flip a switch" and all of a sudden have this great third competitor in a market. I realize that AT&T's buildout will take a while (just like Verizon's fiber deployment), but the fact that it is coming is a good thing. I may not see it before I move, but it is on the horizon somewhere.said by deadzoned :This crappy, sub-par, U-Verse offering that at&t is "rolling out" is a loser in the race before it even starts. My current cable service blows away the current U-Verse offerings. What does "blows away" mean in your context? As far as I know, Uverse and a majority of cableco offerings are fairly similar in services available. Video, voice, internet, and other various options. What am I missing?said by deadzoned :Oh, and I hope you are a patient person. I think pigs will fly and hell will freeze over before at&t offers U-Verse to the BellSouth areas. Did you miss DSLR's interview the AT&T's Uverse rep last week?said by deadzoned :Besides, at that point, they will more than likely finally realize that U-Verse is inferior and begin considering running FTTH. Once again, fiber is not the be all and end all.said by deadzoned :Of course, you think that U-Verse is ushering in competition and choice, maybe you can wait. Considering that I don't currently have much of a choice, I have no problem waiting  |
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deadzoned
Premium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA
·Cox HSI
| reply to bogey780
You act as if they haven't canceled a U-Verse roll-out before! I'll believe it when I see it. Between the State Franchise fights and the fact that they seem unwilling or unable to roll out U-Verse in any significant manner, makes me take the wait and see approach. |
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etaadmin
join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :It's only inferior if you're following the "FTTH is the only way" crowd. Copper, fiber, . . . Bottom line is that for all of the whiners in this forum that don't feel they have competition, AT&T's efforts should be welcomed. I also fail to see how someone can legitimately bad-mouth a product without actually trying said product. You don't have to own FTTN uverse to learn how crappy the service is. Just visit some uverse sites and read the posts.
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···d.id=730
»AT&T is getting on my last nerve!
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···d.id=590
»2 HD streams
»DSL Corrected Blocks - crappy connection
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···d.id=870
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···d.id=278
»Freezing, pixelation, etc.!
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···d.id=230
»www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bus···846.html
»Horrible Packet Loss Help!
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···.id=1000
»Only 1 HD viewing at a time / COAX or CAT5?
»www.satelliteguys.us/iptv-discus···rse.html
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···.id=1087
just to name a few links. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | reply to deadzoned
Considering it's footprint is as big as it is with it going on a year about now, I'd say the roll-out is going at a decent clip. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·Mediacom
| reply to etaadmin
said by etaadmin :You don't have to own FTTN uverse to learn how crappy the service is. Just visit some uverse sites and read the posts. I'm sure I can find positive feedback about Uverse as well. Uverse is a new service, still in deployment mode, and there will be bugs to be worked out. Until someone proves to me that FTTN can't work (cablecos have no problem with FTTN...and yes I'm aware of the differences between coax and twisted pair), I'll maintain my desire to test Uverse if/when it comes to my area. |
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etaadmin
join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
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September 18th, @01:49PM
| said by openbox9 :said by etaadmin :You don't have to own FTTN uverse to learn how crappy the service is. Just visit some uverse sites and read the posts. I'm sure I can find positive feedback about Uverse as well. Uverse is a new service, still in deployment mode, and there will be bugs to be worked out. Until someone proves to me that FTTN can't work (cablecos have no problem with FTTN...and yes I'm aware of the differences between coax and twisted pair), I'll maintain my desire to test Uverse if/when it comes to my area. I'm sure you can find positive feedback (like your unsubstantiated post) unfortunately I don't care about positive feedback, all I care about are results.
I don't care is the service is new or if the service is in development or if the details need to be worked out all I want is to turn on my TV and watch picture clear HDTV also I don't care about the new 'minor craplets' added to uverse's TV 'experience'
If you know the difference between coaxial and cat5 then you must know the difference between fiber (FTTP/FTTH) and twisted pair (FTTN). |
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bcoleman71
join:2007-09-18
Dallas, TX
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I wake up this morning and go through my daily routine of getting ready for work and then I turn on CNN and am shocked to hear this...
"Breaking news...we have been getting reports from all across the country that pigs have suddenly developed wings and are flying around terrifying the masses. We have also been getting occasional reports of pig turds falling out of the sky and breaking windows and smashing into windshields of cars on the freeway.
And this just in...It seems that we are also getting reports from farmers across the midwest that these pigs have been flying in and eating their crops. In response to the events unfolding this morning, President Bush has announced a new war on pigs and has ordered his staff to put together a plan of action for fighting these 'flying evil-doing mud dwellers'.
Also, we have been getting reports that some link these astonishing developing events to the fact that AT&T will be offering their U-Verse service in their newly acquired BellSouth territory."
At this point, I'm thinking this must be a dream...right? Then suddenly I hear a knock at the door...I open it and it's Satan!
Satan: I need a place to stay for a while...Hell froze over! Can you help me?
Me: NO!
And I slam the door in his face...after a minute I start to feel guilty because you know...I ask myself "WWJD?" and I go to let him in but before I could get to the door, my house is burning...
So, now, I'm on my cell phone (which happens to be with the 'new' AT&T) with my lawyer to see if I have a case against AT&T for starting this whole thing when suddenly the call drops... |
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deadzoned
Premium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA
·Cox HSI
| I'm in newly acquired BellSouth territory and they don't seem to be offering it to me.
Are you saying that you can get it? Why not order it then? Let us know your thoughts on it, you know, if you can get it. I guess it's one of those limited-roll-out things huh? Hope the neighborhood is small and that you aren't too far away. |
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Wah
@pteinc.com | reply to etaadmin
quote:
If you know the difference between coaxial and cat5 then you must know the difference between fiber (FTTP/FTTH) and twisted pair (FTTN).
Yea not much |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·Mediacom
| reply to etaadmin
said by etaadmin :all I care about are results. Results are great and I would expect as much from any provider that I'm shelling money out to. I'm not disputing that one bit.said by etaadmin :If you know the difference between coaxial and cat5 then you must know the difference between fiber (FTTP/FTTH) and twisted pair (FTTN). Yep, I know the difference between FTTP, FTTH, FTTN, and many other acronyms. My point is that FTTN has served the cablecos well for quite some time, and now it is doing the same for AT&T. Pulling fiber to the house is not the only method to provide service; it's a good method, but there are others. If you only care about results, you shouldn't care if you have FTTN or FTTP. |
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etaadmin
join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
| said by openbox9 :If you only care about results, you shouldn't care if you have FTTN or FTTP. AT&T can't get results without FTTP/HTTH... at least not the results I want. |
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