TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | reply to thewolfman
Re: Porn inside of Prisons
LOL! How true indeed.
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stevephl
join:2000-11-27
Colorado Springs, CO
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| The reality these are criminals who broke the law, believe me they can be controlled, put them in very small rooms, no communications between no bathrooms nothing and let them rot all day, no A/C, no heat. I have seen this method applied overseas and there were a lot more prisoners. Why let the prisoners run the place? It is time we slapped law breakers down as the low life's they are. People have been lead to believe the prisoners are the victims when in reality they are the opposite stop coddling these dredges of society. No Television period, no books, make them suffer in extremely harsh conditions maybe they will rethink their lives as evil doer's other wise they should them be removed permanently from society.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| said by stevephl  :The reality these are criminals who broke the law, believe me they can be controlled, put them in very small rooms, no communications between no bathrooms nothing and let them rot all day, no A/C, no heat. I have seen this method applied overseas and there were a lot more prisoners. Why let the prisoners run the place? It is time we slapped law breakers down as the low life's they are. People have been lead to believe the prisoners are the victims when in reality they are the opposite stop coddling these dredges of society. No Television period, no books, make them suffer in extremely harsh conditions maybe they will rethink their lives as evil doer's other wise they should them be removed permanently from society. What country do you live in?
This country, the land of the free, jails MORE PEOPLE per capita than do other countries. We jail people for parking tickets and personal domestic disputes. This country is hell bound over board in locking everyone up for spitting in the wrong directions sometimes.
I do agree there are A LOT of people in prison who do bad things.. but there really are two prisons.. there are prisons for lifers and they usually deserve what they got, and then there are people that are supposed to be in what has always been called "the department of CORRECTIONS"...
... corrections. A strange word used less often than "PRISON", right?
Can ANYONE tell me one prison that actually CORRECTS any behavior? ... or can anyone tell me how many people go in for small offenses and come out on the other end even worse off than before?
It's high time people like you learn that prison isn't "revenge"... we did away with that over a century or more ago.
I am by NO MEANS supporting the behavior of MOST of the people in there, but we are NOT, I repeat, NOT a country of sadistic bastards.. and I'm sorry if you take offense to this but the truth is that people like you are what tears down this country. We don't "get even"... they pay their time and we're supposed to be correcting behavior.
"Evil Doer's?" Are you F***ing kidding me with that? You G.W.'s long lost brother or something?
Not every single person in prison is guilty either.. mistakes DO happen.. and people who place these "evil doer's" in prison are sometimes the ones that need to be in those very prisons... or do you not realize that. Until the prison system is run properly and until we have proper checks in place to ensure that those wrongfully convicted are not.. we do NOT TORTURE inmates..
Do you want to know what you get from a society in which you praise and desire? You get the Taliban.. and as you can see, that society failed miserably.
Why don't you take a step back and re-visit yourself. I'm sure you're one of those people who call them self a true Patriotic American.. you're anything BUT. We have something called the Constitution and MOST of us live by it.. one of those rights we have as Americans is not to be treated with cruel and unusual punishment the very actions you condone.
You disgust me.
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| I don't agree with you very often, but I agree with everything you said here, foursquare. Creating a sub-civilization of people who have lived a chunk of their life cut off from all wider civilization and tormented every day sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
And if the original correspondent, in this sub-thread, thinks it cannot happen to him, well...someone ain't payin' enough attention. |
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chris231989
join:2006-02-12
Joplin, MO
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do you even relized that prison is just for poor people that couldn't afford a good enough lawyer to get them out of trouble. the punishments for crimes in this country are totally unbalanced. well off to do people can get away with anything while poor people can spend time in jail so silly stuff. it's f*ing ridiculous. |
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stevephl
join:2000-11-27
Colorado Springs, CO
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Re: Porn inside of Prisons
Once again we break down and resort to the old and tired class envy defense, poor people tend to commit more acts of violence, criminal mischief and petty crime, if they were squared away they would not be poor in the first place. Too wipe away the sins of these criminals because some rich dude got caught with his hand in the cookie jar is ludicrous they are still criminals and need to be treated like one. I don't know how many times I crossed paths with an immigrant (not Mexican) from say Asia who legally immigrated to this great county with not much more then the shirt off of his back not speaking English, then ten years later owning his own home, car and in a lot of cases their own business, all due to hard work, not whining or bitching about how tough life is nor demanding benefits from the government and they typically do not end up in jail. |
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bronxlcsw
join:2005-09-21
Bronx, NY
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Re: Idiotic Socialist ideas
"Rehabilitation or corrections just does not work, it only encourages additional violations of the criminal code, ie they return to a life of crime upon their release, and no amount of schools, holding of hands and singing is going to change that, these people are pre-disposed towards criminal behavior and violence from the get go."
Interesting that this world renowned criminologist would make such statements. First of all in the years 1978-1982 i was a juvenile delinquent. I wound up in a reformatory for boys 3 years where i was offered a host of rehabilitation services like word processing, and college credits. I took full advantage and upon my release i continued my education and never looked back until i got my masters degree. I have been gainfully employed the last 20 years paying taxes and bills like the criminologist on this forum. I am sure he did bad things when he was younger he just did not get caught. Rehabilitation does work. I agree that Sexual predators cannot be rehabbed and should be executed. By using his logic though he wants to execute any criminal no matter what the offense. This country is supposed to be a forgiving Christian society. Did he ever go to sunday school? Morons like him only focus on the Child Molesters and career criminals and try to lump all people in jail into these groups. Thats not fair. I am living proof tha rehabilitation does work. And there are many more like me.. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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Re: Idiotic Socialist ideas
Liberal socialist?? hahahaha.. you have NO idea Pat. or is it Mr. Robertson?
Look.. you said alot of things in your post(s) that simply are UNTRUE.
1) you lump EVERY person in prison the same. I have disclaimed many times that the hardened criminals are the worst - HOWEVER, OUR CONSTITUTION prevents us from becoming just as bad as them, but you simply don't care. WE DON'T TORTURE. END OF DISCUSSION. There IS NO discussion because our LAWS don't allow it. Look, if I knew with out a shadow of doubt that someone was a murdered, I'd love to see him pay just as much as much as anyone else.. but, we still don't torture.. you know why? Simply because.
2) People DO go to PRISON, not OVER NIGHT HOLDING CELLS, but PRISON for stupid things or is YOUR head stuck in your self centered world? In California, there was a three strikes law for many years. There ARE people serving life sentences for petty crimes.. think $3 worth of candy theft is a reason to lock someone up for life? Your approach destroys families and in all honesty, laws have to and need to make sense. Punishments need to fit the crimes as much as possible.
You'd rather see people hang. Too bad there isn't a law for stupidity.
3) The prison system, my uneducated friend, IS called the "department of CORRECTIONS".. also called "rehabilitation facilities"... what am I missing here? Please seek a GED.
4) You continually sit here and believe that everyone in prison is in fact not able to be rehabilitated... man, you are so mis-informed. While there certainly are many people in the system that are drags on society, but there are still many who aren't. They screwed up, did something stupid, and yes, even some petty crimes, due to over eager laws, do put low level criminals in prison. Should they all be put in a small box with no air or heat? (I can't even believe you said that) and sit to rot for 20 years with out stimulation of ANY kind? You DO realize what that does to the human brain don't you? Well, THAT was a dumb question - of course you don't. All you see is this world through some sort of messed up view that simply isn't true..
People commit crimes for various reasons.. some do so because they are messed up people, some do so because of oppression (or do you not pay attention to what's going on in the rest of the world?) .. there are many reasons for why people commit crimes...
It's apparent that people like YOU are the ones that are screwing up his country.. not me or my side bub. Your type places a single point of view on society and believes there is only one answer.. pitty.. and glad your breed is dying.
bleeding heart liberal am I? No... realistic? yup! and PROUD of it!
I swear to god for your sake that you aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time and get the treatment you so wish one everyone blanket. It is estimated that 3% of the prison population IS innocent and no guilty of the crime they were convicted of... think they deserve the treatment you want? Therefore, our civilized society disagrees with you. THANK GOD!
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jays2345
join:2006-05-16
va. | reply to fiberguy
Re: Porn inside of Prisons
very well said |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to fiberguy
Re: Idiotic Socialist ideas
Besides, we need to get the common criminals out of the prisons. We need the room for political prisoners.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| said by KrK :Besides, we need to get the common criminals out of the prisons. We need the room for political prisoners. lol ... good one. 
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to bronxlcsw
So how do you deal with an adult who goes back in multiple times for violent offences?
How about the juvenile who commits murder? |
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