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»NJ teen unlocks iPhone for use on T-Mobile
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Some say AT&T and Apple should just get rid of their exclusivity agreement. We all know that isn't going to happen. We also know that VERY FEW users of the iPhone are going to unlock it. So few that I doubt AT&T is concerned at all. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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  justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY | It is all kind of irrelevant now that that unlocking company will be selling software unlocks for "whatever the market will bear" (at least until AT&T try to sue them). |
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| reply to justin said by justin :It is all kind of irrelevant now that that unlocking company will be selling software unlocks for "whatever the market will bear" (at least until AT&T try to sue them). sue them for what? If I buy something, it's MINE. I can do whatever I want with it.. include modify it, break it or sell it. At most all this does is void the warranty. |
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| said by pokesph :said by justin :It is all kind of irrelevant now that that unlocking company will be selling software unlocks for "whatever the market will bear" (at least until AT&T try to sue them). sue them for what? If I buy something, it's MINE. I can do whatever I want with it.. include modify it, break it or sell it. At most all this does is void the warranty. No. Bypassing security systems on a device is against the law. Check out the DMCA sometime. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA
In addition to the safe harbors and exemptions the statute explicitly provides, 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1) requires that the Librarian of Congress issue exemptions from the prohibition against circumvention of access-control technology. The Library of Congress made no exemptions for unlocking cellphones. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| reply to TK Junk Mail said by TK Junk Mail :No. Bypassing security systems on a device is against the law. Check out the DMCA sometime. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCAIn addition to the safe harbors and exemptions the statute explicitly provides, 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1) requires that the Librarian of Congress issue exemptions from the prohibition against circumvention of access-control technology. The Library of Congress made no exemptions for unlocking cellphones. From another article:
There is apparently no U.S. law against unlocking cell phones. Last year, the Library of Congress specifically excluded cell-phone unlocking from coverage under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Among other things, the law has been used to prosecute people who modify game consoles to play a wider variety of games.
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070824/ap_···unlocked
There's nothing special about this phone compared to other phones and "unlocking", is there? There are plenty of places selling unlock software for other phones, even those that are subsidized by the telco selling them. Since those people are not being prosecuted, I have to imagine that article above is correct... |
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| said by sporkme :From another article: There is apparently no U.S. law against unlocking cell phones. Last year, the Library of Congress specifically excluded cell-phone unlocking from coverage under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Among other things, the law has been used to prosecute people who modify game consoles to play a wider variety of games.
» news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070824/ap_···unlocked I was wrong. An end user can unlock the phone to connect to another service provider. But it won't be attempted by many, because the Library of Congress did not grant an exemption to those who unlock it for reselling. Those would still be liable under the DMCA. »tushnet.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html
The court addressed the recent exemption for certain cell phone-related conduct in the Library of Congress DMCA exemption proceedings. Because that exemption allows circumvention for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network, the court ruled it inapplicable defendants were circumventing for the purpose of profitable resale, not connection. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by sporkme :From another article: There is apparently no U.S. law against unlocking cell phones. Last year, the Library of Congress specifically excluded cell-phone unlocking from coverage under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Among other things, the law has been used to prosecute people who modify game consoles to play a wider variety of games.
» news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070824/ap_···unlocked I was wrong. An end user can unlock the phone to connect to another service provider. But it won't be attempted by many, because the Library of Congress did not grant an exemption to those who unlock it for reselling. Those would still be liable under the DMCA. » tushnet.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.htmlThe court addressed the recent exemption for certain cell phone-related conduct in the Library of Congress DMCA exemption proceedings. Because that exemption allows circumvention for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network, the court ruled it inapplicable defendants were circumventing for the purpose of profitable resale, not connection. Maybe you should "Check out the DMCA sometime. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA ", as you were so quick to say to another poster. -- LHF's Football Master 2006 |
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| reply to Kearnstd said by Kearnstd :the DMCA will never stand up if it gets dragged into the SCOTUS. Meanwhile it could be very expensive for someone to defend against a lawsuit brought by AT&T. |
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| reply to TK Junk Mail said by TK Junk Mail :The Library of Congress made no exemptions for unlocking cellphones. said by TK Junk Mail :I was wrong. An end user can unlock the phone to connect to another service provider. But it won't be attempted by many, because the Library of Congress did not grant an exemption to those who unlock it for reselling. Those would still be liable under the DMCA. Dude,
Get your institutions right. The Library of Congress does not write, make or enforce law. The Library of Congress is just like any other library, they are a repository for documents. You should refer to Congress, not the library. -- Best of luck
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| said by jtudor :said by TK Junk Mail :I was wrong. An end user can unlock the phone to connect to another service provider. But it won't be attempted by many, because the Library of Congress did not grant an exemption to those who unlock it for reselling. Those would still be liable under the DMCA. Dude, Get your institutions right. The Library of Congress does not write, make or enforce law. The Library of Congress is just like any other library, they are a repository for documents. You should refer to Congress, not the library. Sorry, but this time I am right. The Copyright Office comes under the control of the Library of Congress and it is the Library of Congress that has the authority to make exceptions to the DMCA act. »www.copyright.gov/1201/ »www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html
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| reply to TK Junk Mail TCH - Nope! Unlocked phones are sold all the time. If the Razr is sold unlocked, I see no reason the iPhone can be sold "unlocked" to work on another carrier. Companies sell these phones everyday. And, no, it is not against any law including the DMCA. Apple can void the warranty unless the warranty has nothing about AT&T wireless only.
Check out buy.com for unlocked cellphones. I see no one suing them.
»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=un···llphones
Follow that Google link and find all kinds of companies unlocking phones. Some even offer warranties.
Ebay has a bunch now: »search.ebay.com/unlocked-iphone_···fromZR40 -- Saving the world keeps me busy. However, I find Earth very primitive from my home planet of Krypton. -Supergirl |
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Looks like AT&T/Apple do think unlocking their iPhones is illegal.
»news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070···ld/91354
San Francisco (IDGNS) - Fear of litigation has led to an indefinite delay in the planned Saturday release of software to unlock Apple Inc.'s iPhone.
John McLaughlin, founder of Uniquephones, based in Belfast, Northern Ireland, said Saturday that he received a phone call about 3 a.m. Saturday local time from a man claiming to be from O'Melveny & Myers LLP, an international law firm, calling on behalf of AT&T. The firm has worked with Apple in the past.
The man informed McLaughlin that if he posted the unlock code, he could be sued for copyright infringement and for dissemination of Apple's intellectual property (IP).
McLaughlin is concerned that fighting a lawsuit with AT&T or Apple would sink his small company, which does a modestly successful business unlocking wireless handsets in the U.K. and Europe. At the same time, he and engineers in several countries have invested time and money to come up with the unlock software.
"It really annoys me," he said. "We have the solution sitting there and we have the customers there, but if you connect the two you could lose everything." -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Looks like AT&T/Apple do think unlocking their iPhones is illegal. » news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070···ld/91354"It really annoys me," he said. "We have the solution sitting there and we have the customers there, but if you connect the two you could lose everything." He should quietly sell it to some trader in Hong Kong or Singapore who don't mind so much about the long arms of AT&T lawyers. |
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My point exactly. Unlocking phones isn't illegal. TCH needs to take some law classes. -- Saving the world keeps me busy. However, I find Earth very primitive from my home planet of Krypton. -Supergirl |
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| said by supergirl :My point exactly. Unlocking phones isn't illegal. TCH needs to take some law classes. For resale it is. They are breaking the law based on an Appeals Court decision initiated on a complaint by Tracfone. »www.wired.com/politics/onlinerig···Page=all
The cell phone unlocking exemption covers cases where cell phone software locks are circumvented "for the sole purpose of lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network." Though TracFone's own lawsuits were partially the impetus for the exemption, the company argues the plain language still doesn't apply to the resellers it's suing. "We argued the large-scale unlocking ... was for the purpose of reselling the phone for profit overseas and therefore not subject to this exemption," says Baldinger. » www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2006/71fr68472.pdf Read the link, Tracfone is winning lawsuits against resellers. -- -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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