TScheisskopf
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Re: Is there any doubt that....
»www.google.com/search?client=fir···e+Search
There's some info on deaths and attempted suicides at GTMO.
Here's a story about one who spent some time there:
»observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/···,00.html
Feel free to make bleatings about "freedom and justice".
As far as Sen. Durbin being a traitor, I suspect you wouldn't know a traitor if one crawled up and bit you in the gluteal protruberance.
And apparently, you didn't bother to read the article, instead choosing to smear and regurgitate frothing right-wing nostrums. How utterly sad. How intellectually bankrupt. |
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Combat Chuck
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| said by TScheisskopf  :How intellectually bankrupt. Intellectually bankrupt?
Would that also be what it's called when you insinuate that the only reason individuals belonging to an organization that employs suicide bombings would commit mass suicide would be desperation in abhorrent conditions and not because, as a pr stunt, it furthers their insane ideology, particularly considering that they've been neutralized as operatives and it's about the only thing left they can do to get a rise out of people.
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TScheisskopf
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| Name one, just one, held there that has been convicted of what you accuse, in either a court of law or military tribunal.
I don't know about you, but I kinda like that bit in The Bill of Rights of The United States of America that says "innocent until proven guilty". It tends to keep things on an even keel. |
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Deep River, CT | The Bill of Rights and our Constitution only apply to United States citizens: not to illegal immigrants and scumbag, camel-humping terrorists like your kind want to believe. |
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TScheisskopf
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| My kind? You mean the kind that want to see everyone enjoy the protections and freedoms we enjoy? You mean that kind?
I think I will forego the myriad insults that are running around my brain right now. You are far too much simpleton to even grasp them. |
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pnh102
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said by TScheisskopf :There's some info on deaths and attempted suicides at GTMO. That's a good start. It is too bad the rest of the detainees don't follow suit. It would save us money. The only problem is that the average Club Gitmo detainee has not only the best medical care in the world, but is also packing on the pounds.
said by TScheisskopf :I suspect you wouldn't know a traitor if one crawled up and bit you in the gluteal protruberance. One of the definitions of traitor as codified in the Constitution is a person who provides aid and comfort to the enemy. The video I posted clearly shows Sen. Turbin spreading lies about Club Gitmo during a time of war. The Constitution requires at least 2 witnesses to the crime for the charge to stick. I am sure more than 2 people watched that broadcast.
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TScheisskopf
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| Club Gitmo! Very funny! You know, if you hurry, there still might be some open bookings in the Catskills. You might get a comedy gig in one of the lounges.
»www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/···02.shtml |
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pnh102
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| Yawn... 60 Minutes has a penchant for simply making up news, even going so far as to draft fake "evidence" to back up the allegation. Aside that they are also on the side of our enemy and want us to lose the war, I really would not take any of their propaganda as fact.
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TScheisskopf
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Here. Pick any one on the list, or all of them. Surely one of them, or the shear number of them from respected sources might filter in somehow.
Trust me, it ain't good to live your life in denial. It never turns out well. |
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pnh102
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| said by TScheisskopf :Here. Pick any one on the list, or all of them. Surely one of them, or the shear number of them from respected sources might filter in somehow. Please. Playing loud rap music and turning the AC on and off doesn't constitute torture. High school sports teams' hazing rituals are worse than this.
Go take a look at how some prisons in foreign countries are run and then get back to me. You can start by looking at how the Cuban government treats librarians who are not fond of Fidel Castro. Club Gitmo guests have five star accommodations compared to them.
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TScheisskopf
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| But we aren't "foreign countries". We are the USA and we are supposed to be better than that. When we aren't, it puts the lie to everything we say we stand for and we say we are trying to propagate.
And THAT was what Sen. Durbin was getting at. |
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pnh102
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| said by TScheisskopf :And THAT was what Sen. Durbin was getting at. Then why was he lying? Club Gitmo can't be that bad if the guests there get free healthcare, free religious guidance, 3 square meals, and live in an area that has nice weather all year round. It also can't be that bad if the guests are putting on weight and fighting attempts to deport them back to their home countries. These do not strike me as things that the Nazis, the Soviets or Pol Pot would do to their prisoners.
Surely if he was speaking the truth, he would not have apologized.
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Combat Chuck
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said by TScheisskopf :I don't know about you, but I kinda like that bit in The Bill of Rights of The United States of America that says "innocent until proven guilty". As was stated not so nicely the bill of rights only applies to citizens.
The problem is what do you do with a group of people who do not value their own lives beyond their ability to bring as much death and destruction as possible to modern society and are willing to do whatever (including bending the rules of the religion they claim to follow) to do so? We've never faced this before, mainly because in previous wars no one worried much about making sure civilians weren't inconvenienced.
But certainly whatever they face in GB is no where near what was dealt in any Nazi death camp (and to imply so shows a great deal of disrespect to those who lived thru them); Mr. Durban knows this, his statements on the issue are nothing more than spin; much like his little forum is spin to make the internet petition crowd feel better about him.
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| Hmmm Isn't one of the right's (new) justifications for the war to bring US-style democracy, including bill of rights, to other countries?
And yet, the right chooses to selectively decide who gets to benefit from those rights?
A tad inconsistent perhaps? |
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Combat Chuck
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| said by King Duck :Hmmm Isn't one of the right's (new) justifications for the war to bring US-style democracy, including bill of rights, to other countries? And yet, the right chooses to selectively decide who gets to benefit from those rights? A tad inconsistent perhaps? 1. I never said the war was to bring a democracy to anyone.
2. It's hard to allow someone to exercise their rights while simultaneously protecting the rights of others when that someone values nothing in life but death and destruction.
3. Your rights cease to matter when you lack the ability to defend them. (don't read that as directed at the prisoners in GB.)
You want to see rights disappear? Wait till radical Islam starts focusing on terror against children. What do you think a successful coordinated effort to simultaneously take over multiple schools, possibly massacring thousands of children would do to the GB prisoners rights? Kinda like worrying about the faded upholstery in your car as your barrelling head on into a semi.
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FiL
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It's very obvious you don't believe the crap you post, your just playing a side...which is fine, be a blood to the crips. But some people don't need to side with gang's to truly have a just and compassionate outlook on the state of our, uhh, divorce proceedings?
I don't see a Union at all these days...Club Gitmo, lol. This kind of talk lends itself to either A- people that haven't been in any kind of detention facility or, mostly likely, B- people who THINK they know what its like in a detention facility...primary factor missing is the actual experience. And no PNH, TV can't provide you with the experience...lol. |
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pnh102
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| said by FiL :It's very obvious you don't believe the crap you post, your just playing a side... If I am just "playing a side" then why not refute what I am saying? Surely it should be easy if I am just "playing a side."
said by FiL :I don't see a Union at all these days...Club Gitmo, lol. This kind of talk lends itself to either A- people that haven't been in any kind of detention facility or, mostly likely, B- people who THINK they know what its like in a detention facility... When we have terrorists that are fighting their deportation from Club Gitmo, for fear they might be tortured in their home countries (link in my other posts), it really takes the hot air out of the argument that we're torturing these terrorists.
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