Chiyo
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WOW the death penalty! he didn't kill anyone nobodies life ws lost during the thefts. I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime. |
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Lil Jon
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said by Chiyo  :WOW the death penalty! he didn't kill anyone nobodies life ws lost during the thefts. I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime. yup they're harsh over there... |
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said by Chiyo :WOW the death penalty! he didn't kill anyone nobodies life ws lost during the thefts. I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Impressive, if we had harsh justice like this in this country we could solve a lot of our nation's woes.
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MrBentor
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I think it depends on how much or how often you steal or rob. |
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keyboard5684
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It does not seem to be working in many areas... Hmmm, Iraq hangs everybody, Turkey, well you get the idea.
The harsher the punishment never seems to work, but no one really has figured out a perfect system or we would never have crime? |
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| said by keyboard5684 :no one really has figured out a perfect system or we would never have crime? here's a secret: there will always be crime. harsh punishments are reflective of the society, and shouldn't be considered a deterrent (just like death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent--it's reflective of what society believes should happen to someone that did that crime). |
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| said by morbo :said by keyboard5684 :no one really has figured out a perfect system or we would never have crime? here's a secret: there will always be crime. harsh punishments are reflective of the society, and shouldn't be considered a deterrent (just like death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent--it's reflective of what society believes should happen to someone that did that crime). Not a deterrent, but it is a solution.
Someone who is dead doesn't commit the crime again. Should be used here more. |
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insomniac84
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Schererville, IN | reply to Chiyo
The punishment of course fits the crime. Hell, in america the death penalty is very under used. If it was applied to alot more crimes, we might actually see crime drop. |
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Skippy25
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Couldn't agree more. If a person is deemed unsuitable to live in society then that person should be removed from society. And I am not talking about putting them somewhere, I am talking about removing them completely. |
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said by morbo :said by keyboard5684 :no one really has figured out a perfect system or we would never have crime? here's a secret: there will always be crime. harsh punishments are reflective of the society, and shouldn't be considered a deterrent (just like death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent--it's reflective of what society believes should happen to someone that did that crime). Death is always a deterrent. The dead commit no more crimes.
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TigerNutz
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said by keyboard5684 :It does not seem to be working in many areas... Hmmm, Iraq hangs everybody, Turkey, well you get the idea. It would work if it were televised during prime time.
Yeah, thats it! Another reality TV show!
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morbo
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deterrent meaning "fear of punishment" and so people refrain from committing crimes to begin with. not people that commit crimes (in your example, they are dead) are deterred from committing future crimes. |
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morbo
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said by insomniac84 : If it was applied to alot more crimes, we might actually see crime drop. i'm pro-death penalty. but i don't hold any illusion that it is a deterrent. it is a reflection of what society believes should happen to someone that murders someone. eye for an eye. justice. i also don't think the penalties for most other crimes deter either. if they did, there would be no crime. for example, penalties for drug possession/use don't deter anyone. you'll note that drug crimes are up, war on drugs is a failure, etc. take murder as another example. the punishment for 1st degree murder is death or life in prisonment, in most cases. but people are murdered all the time. hence, they don't consider the potential punishment as frightening enough not to commit the crime.
here's another example. certain middle eastern countries and asian/pacific island countries have some extreme punishments for theft. they cut off your hand. but that doesn't stop people from comitting crimes to being with.
i'm open to other options though. what would deter people from committing crimes? |
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pnh102
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Singapore has no crime problem and their system is pretty harsh as well.
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insomniac84
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It not a deterrent to murder because it just means if someone feels stressed enough to want to kill themselves, they will just take the chance to kill the person causing their stress. But who the hell is going to rob a bank if they knew it was a mandatory death sentence? Or say California's three strikes law. What if it was the death penalty after 3 strikes? Felonies would drop significantly. |
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said by morbo :said by keyboard5684 :no one really has figured out a perfect system or we would never have crime? here's a secret: there will always be crime. harsh punishments are reflective of the society, and shouldn't be considered a deterrent (just like death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent--it's reflective of what society believes should happen to someone that did that crime). Here's another secret, and it has nothing to do with your disingenuous comment about "what society believes should happen to someone who did that crime"....you might want to recheck your outdated sources. New studies show that the death penalty is indeed a deterrent, and in addition, where there's been a moratorium placed on the death penalty, murders have actually increased, as well as when death sentences are commuted:
Death penalty saves lives
A New Haven Register Editorial
06/24/2007
....Largely ignored in the death penalty debate is a third generation of studies by economists showing that both a death sentence and execution have a deterrent effect.
Since 2001, 12 studies by economists using better data and more advanced techniques have all found the death penalty is a strong deterrent, preventing from three to 18 more murders, according to a review of the studies given in 2006 testimony before Congress by Paul H. Rubin. Rubin is a professor of economics and law at Emory University.
One study looked at the impact of the 1972 through 1976 moratorium on executions following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. It found an increase in murder rates during the moratorium and, 70 percent of the time, a drop when a state passed new death penalty legislation.
Another study by an economist at the University of Colorado not only found a deterrent effect but that commuting death sentences resulted in an increase of murders....
»www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm···81&rfi=6
John Lott: Death as Deterrent
Wednesday, June 20, 2007
By John Lott
....This research was conducted as violent crime rates were plummeting while executions were rising sharply. Between 1991 and 2000, there were 9,114 fewer murders per year, while the number of executions per year rose by 71.
Generally, the studies over the last decade that examined how the murder rates in each state changed as they changed their execution rate found that each execution saved the lives of roughly 15 to 18 potential murder victims. Overall, the rise in executions during the 1990s accounts for about 12 to 14 percent of the overall drop in murders.
Of course, there are exceptions to capital punishment deterring murder. One particular kind of crime where the death penalty shows no significant deterrent effect is multiple victim public shootings. This was the conclusion of a study I performed with Bill Landes at the University of Chicago.
This exception, however, is easy to explain: The vast majority of these killers either commit suicide or are killed at the scene of the crime. The threat of legal punishment, including the death penalty, doesn’t really affect their actions since so many of these criminals expect to die in the course of their crime.
Compared to more sophisticated Europeans, Americans long have been portrayed as uneducated yokels for supporting the death penalty. And the Supreme Court has looked to guidance from other countries in justifying limits on the death penalty. But Americans have stuck to their guns, with the majority of Americans in a May 2006 Gallup poll even feeling that the death penalty should be used more frequently.
Possibly it is time to concede that everyday Americans might actually know something that some members of the Supreme Court have had a hard time understanding.
»www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284336,00.html
Studies say death penalty deters crime
By ROBERT TANNER
AP National Writer
Jun 11, 4:53 AM EDT
....."Science does really draw a conclusion. It did. There is no question about it," said Naci Mocan, an economics professor at the University of Colorado at Denver. "The conclusion is there is a deterrent effect."
A 2003 study he co-authored, and a 2006 study that re-examined the data, found that each execution results in five fewer homicides, and commuting a death sentence means five more homicides. "The results are robust, they don't really go away," he said. "I oppose the death penalty. But my results show that the death penalty (deters) - what am I going to do, hide them?".....
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There is a George Carlin skit on just that idea... something about rope and boiling oil and the speed controlled by applause during Monday Night Football...
Sadly, it was ridiculous when he first said it. Now the sketch sounds plausible with reality TV. |
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people will still commit crimes even when they know the mandatory sentence is something awful. people aren't logical. they don't think out situations before committing crimes. take a look at California's 3 strikes law. people still commit that 3rd strike all the time. a deterrent? maybe for some. |
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insomniac84
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| I thought you might say that, but what you said makes my argument stronger. If people are dumb and will keep committing crimes over and over again, the death penalty is the only solution. It would be the only way to prevent more crime and make this country safer. |
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