billygoat
@nibble.net | reply to funchords
Re: Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections
Try a VPN service guys. Not to mention the additional benefits alongside it.
I am currently using secureix.com |
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rubytuesday
@comcast.net | reply to funchords
»digg.com/business_finance/Comcas···_hostage |
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Cabal
Premium
join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA | Online petitions are useful and effective. |
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Maarvin
Premium
join:2005-04-11
Denver, CO | reply to funchords
There are some things that you can do to minimize the filtering. One, stop your "Routing and Remote Access Service". Two, in Azureus, Tools --> Options --> Transfer --> Use Lazy Bitfield. If this doesn't help, try encryption. |
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moko
join:2002-12-22
Fayetteville, GA
1 edit | funchords....that was a great post about whats going on....i just want an isp that does'nt filter anything....and try to tell me what and what not to dl/ul......thats my business.
i look at like a car company selling me a car...and then putting a speed restrictor on it....in-case i might speed and break a law....it is not their business or responsibility.....but them trying to argue that it is.....because it makes them reliable to my bad choice,because they sold me "their" car.....which is wrong,because where all responsible for our own actions.....if i dl/ul something against the riaa for example...they need to come to me,it has nothing at all to do with my isp.
its like me speeding then telling the judge that the car companies need to have some responsibilty in this......because they sold me a car that i could break the law in...and then the judge "seeing my point" goes on and fines the car company too...see how stupid that would be......but some people are stupid  |
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plat2on1
join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs:
| you are just full of bad analogies aren't you. 
it has less to do with copyright infringement then it does network integrity. downloading requires user intervention and storage space, if no one is at the computer or you run out of space downloading stops. there is really no limit stopping you from uploading 24/7/365, that's what makes p2p so dangerous. |
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moko
join:2002-12-22
Fayetteville, GA
3 edits | thats what i think i should be able to do.....if i pay for a certain dl/up unlimited access....i should be able to dl/up 24/7 365 days a year.....not that i do.
if comcast is not selling an "unlimited access" internet service....than i wish they or someone else would
besides....what i was talking about ....was its not comcast's buisness what i dl/ul.... so they should not be "throttling" anything.....and i don't dl/up 24/7 ....only when i do want to.....i should have full speed that i have.....i really dl/up not very much....but if i want something through p2p...an isp should not limit my line because i'm using a p2p program. |
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plat2on1
join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs:
| said by moko  :thats what i think i should be able to do.....if i pay for a certain dl/up unlimited access....i should be able to dl/up 24/7 365 days a year.....not that i do. if comcast is not selling an "unlimited access" internet service....than i wish they or someone else would besides....what i was talking about ....was its not comcast's buisness what i dl/ul.... so they should not be "throttling" anything.....and i don't dl/up 24/7 ....only when i do want to.....i should have full speed that i have.....i really dl/up not very much....but if i want something through p2p...an isp should not limit my line because i'm using a p2p program. comcast is very clear in what they sell, if you want 24/7/365 then you need a dedicated circuit.
is their network so it is very much their business.  |
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moko
join:2002-12-22
Fayetteville, GA
| except for my line to the rest of the network thats not theirs.....i'm paying for that one.....so its not their business what i dl/up on my line to the rest of the networks around the world......i want undisturbed access to it would a dedicated service do that.....or do i have to start my own network |
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moko
join:2002-12-22
Fayetteville, GA
1 edit | an example of whats wrong with what comcast is doing with p2p is......if i want download a game mod file thats around 500megs....like a battlefield 1942/2 mod....i should be able to dl this file at the speed that i pay for....which sometimes its aviable at a website,then i get the full speed,...but the same file on a p2p program and comcast stops or limits it....and these files are not always on a website with full speed capabilities.....so i go to my p2p which i know lots of people have....and should get my full speed [at my speed would be around 700KBs,after powerboost]but i get blocked.....why?  |
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cablejoe
join:2002-01-15
Las Vegas, NV
1 edit | reply to funchords
Playing the devil's advocate, here:
Let's say you own a restaurant that offers an all-you-can-eat buffet. People come in, pay for their meal, eat their fill, and then leave. And everyone is happy.
But then someone develops a machine that can eat for them, even when they're not around. They bring this machine into your restaurant, tell it what food to get, and leave the machine there to eat for them. And the machine eats.....and eats...and eats. It's basically eating 24-7, even when the owners aren't there.
You soon discover that a small handful of these eating machines are responsible for 90% of your food costs. What's more, your regular customers are complaining because there's not enough food left to feed everyone else.
As the restaurant owner, what do you do? Do you bite your lip while your food costs go through the roof? Or do you find a way of dealing with the machines, and limit their consumption? |
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JJV
Premium
join:2001-04-25
Seattle, WA
clubs:
 ·Vonage
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I have been using Skype to do video with my friend in Alaska for a couple years. Now it doesn't work at all. The call drops in less than 60 seconds.
Is anyone else having issues with Skype?
I have tried the relakks vpn and a free one and they both suck. |
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EG
The wings of love
Premium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ | HUHHHH????? |
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moko
join:2002-12-22
Fayetteville, GA
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but cable joe....thats not the same....because its not advertised as a 24/7 service....when isp's do advertise 24/7 unlimited service for the whole month....i'm paying for unlimited 24/7 use....that includes if i'm dl/up some video's and there taking several hours,it does'nt matter i'f i'm in front of the pc,in the kitchen,bathroom,or down at barnes and noble,waiting for the dl/up to finish
i make alot of home videos that i would like to share for other family to dl....instead of paying for them to be hosted so someone can dl them[i'm talking 200/or more meg vids]would'nt it be nice to just email everyone with a link to a bit torrent....then they click on it and it opens there p2p....thats easy,and i don't have to be infront of the pc to do it.
this is another reason comcast advertises there powerboost upload .....but somethings you can only use a p2p program....and then comcast goes and stops you from using your payed for speed.
i know comcast and other isp's know that alot of naieve customers don't know when their p2p is still running in the background on there "allways-on" pc but alot of others do....and besides....this is why they should only sell a dl/ul speed to its customers that can run 24/7.
if i want to watch 6 hours or 24 hours a day of comcast cable tv....i still pay the same price.....i know that a network is different....but they should set up the service so it could be run this way...IMO. |
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plat2on1
join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs:
1 edit | which ISP advertises that? certainly not comcast
if they set it up like that we'd all have 128k/128k connections. i'l stick with what we get now over that. |
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shades
join:2001-06-26
Williamstown, NJ | reply to funchords
is there any solution to this seeding problem, my upload speeds are terrible  |
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FreakyOne
join:2007-07-07
Stuart, FL
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I never received anything from Comcast when they took over from Adelphia stating that my service would be altered or changed in any way whatsoever, including the ability to receive 24/7 365 service whenever i choose. Since i am paying for the service on a monthly basis i never thought to ask them on what days or hours in those days is it appropriate to expect my service to be fully functional and will be able to have full bandwidth, both up and down, so that i might actually enjoy the time i spend online instead of waiting like i used to on dial-up. I am highly anticipating switching to ( hold on to your undies now) DSL. I never asked to be switched they just came in and starting making changes that i had no choice to agree or not. In this i believe is not a very smart move on their part. As far as this P2P issue is concerned i think that could be a totally new subject matter which should not be discussed here. The issues are not whether or not you get service its the fact they are shackling their customers by limiting our usage. |
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FreakyOne
join:2007-07-07
Stuart, FL
| reply to cablejoe
said by cablejoe :Playing the devil's advocate, here: Let's say you own a restaurant that offers an all-you-can-eat buffet. People come in, pay for their meal, eat their fill, and then leave. And everyone is happy. But then someone develops a machine that can eat for them, even when they're not around. They bring this machine into your restaurant, tell it what food to get, and leave the machine there to eat for them. And the machine eats.....and eats...and eats. It's basically eating 24-7, even when the owners aren't there. You soon discover that a small handful of these eating machines are responsible for 90% of your food costs. What's more, your regular customers are complaining because there's not enough food left to feed everyone else. As the restaurant owner, what do you do? Do you bite your lip while your food costs go through the roof? Or do you find a way of dealing with the machines, and limit their consumption? SO you are saying the ISP is paying for our bandwidth use? if so maybe you can tell us to whom they are paying it to? I thought i was the one paying a bill for bandwidth use. If anyone is not using their Cable bandwidth at its fullest it is like paying 5 times what you would already be paying for the same meal down the road. If it were me i would get the cheaper same quality meal. And it looks like Comcast is gonna have a big change in their customer base if they dont stop making ridiculous changes in our service. I have not had a full connection since they took over a few months ago. I have had numerous technicians out to look at our issue and they through their hands in the air and say they have no clue where the problem is. Take into consideration that these technicians are prior Adelphia employees so they might not be aware of any limitations on system, although i find it doubtful. I am glad to hear that i am not the only one in this takeover that is having issues of this type. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by FreakyOne :SO you are saying the ISP is paying for our bandwidth use? if so maybe you can tell us to whom they are paying it to? Comcast pays for the infrastructure which makes up their backbone. In addition, Comcast generally pays for transit routing to other parts of the Internet. They are not a "peer" in the common Internet sense, or so I am told, because they are a net consumer (thanks to residential accounts) of bandwidth. Unlike Level 3 and AT&T Worldnet services (not the former SBC DSL provider!), who have a net parity of packet exchange.
Guess where Comcast gets the funding to build out and operate their backbone? And how much does Comcast have to pay AT&T Worldnet Services, and Level 3 for transit to the rest of the Internet? And what happens to the service for all Comcast users on a "node", when one user takes it upon himself to run full bore at 8MBps down/768kBps up (or whatever the up speed is on the 8Meg package)?
I thought i was the one paying a bill for bandwidth use.
If you are receiving packets from a corner of the Internet which requires transit through AT&T Worldnet Services, or Level 3 routers, Comcast has to pay them for that transit.
If anyone is not using their Cable bandwidth at its fullest it is like paying 5 times what you would already be paying for the same meal down the road.
Most ISPs base their business model on residential consumers not running their connection at full peak bandwidth 24/7.
Frankly, with more residential consumers on "always on" connections, it is probably time for HSI providers to re-evaluate their business model.
If it were me i would get the cheaper same quality meal. And it looks like Comcast is gonna have a big change in their customer base if they dont stop making ridiculous changes in our service.
Comcast isn't changing. Customer expectations are changing.
I have not had a full connection since they took over a few months ago. I have had numerous technicians out to look at our issue and they through their hands in the air and say they have no clue where the problem is. Take into consideration that these technicians are prior Adelphia employees so they might not be aware of any limitations on system, although i find it doubtful. I am glad to hear that i am not the only one in this takeover that is having issues of this type.
I expect that the changes caused by the Comcast buyout of financially troubled Adelphia have a lot to do with commitments for transit services. You could test that, if you had any trace routes from the Adelphia days. Trace route to the same points under Comcast as you did under Adelphia; see if they are still using the same transit routing to places like Google, or MSN, or Yahoo!.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
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FreakyOne
join:2007-07-07
Stuart, FL
1 edit | I am not bashing Comcast as an ISP i am only agreeing with the original post here which implies that Comcast is in fact "filtering" its customers connections in some way. I have no trace routing from Adlephia days but i can tell you that i can not have more than 1 open connection running at once while online. For instance, when my VOIP phoneline is in use i have limited usage to surf at the same time. This never happened with Adelphia. Also, if i try to download any files with a BT client i can get fairly decent download speeds but my uploads are decreased if non-existent. This tells me that there are changes made to the service for which i am paying. My bill has increased over what i was paying with Adelphia with the promise i would have an 8mb connection versus a 6MB connection. I can tell you that i am not thrilled with theseso-called upgrades. As for the ISp paying someone else for me to have internet connectivity i am not made aware of this in any of my agreements that i have read. If this is the case i am certain that there would be some sort of legal jargen regarding this. What i want to know is how much Comcast is actually saving while i am limited with my broadband usage when they are not giving me at any time i can testanywhere close to my 8MB connection.
Say i have a land line phone with BellSouth/AT&T, they tell me i have connection 24/7 365 but i can not use that line for more than so many hours of use per day otherwise it ties up the lines for everyone else.
Guess what? I wouldnt use BellSouth/AT&T if that were the case. It would be a totally bogus way of doing business. If the ISP can not afford to offer 8MB connection to its customers at full bore 24/7 365 than they shouldnt do it. Because some of us out here in this world will use what we pay for. It is your choice whether or not you wish to do so. If i didnt want or need the 8MB connection i certainly wouldnt have upgraded. |
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