JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
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Re: Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections
Wouldn't you have to be a Comcast customer 1st? How is that working out for you? |
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TheSaint
join:2002-01-25
Hanover Park, IL
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Comcast seems to be cutting off bit torrent traffic on private trackers, or at least in this area. I've just signed up for Comcast HSI. Speedtest.net and the like all come out with decent speeds, but whenever I use a private tracker the connections keep on resetting. Public trackers seem to work just fine with upload and download. What is worse than just the private trackers not working, I've noticed that when utorrent is running webpages also take MUCH, MUCH, longer to resolve. As a new Comcast customer, I am NOT impressed. No hard feelings to the techs here on DSLR that are trying to help out, but this is not even what I would consider Internet Lite. Will complaining to the local Comcast office make any difference? Will they even consider allowing more traffic in on a specific account? Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide! |
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EG
The wings of love
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join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ | reply to italiansmoke
said by italiansmoke  :Hmmm... okay. Way agree with Norman on this ! |
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goody two
@stsn.net | reply to sturmvogel
Yeah, using that logic, employers should delay paychecks if employees are late with their reports or projects or slow with customer service. Brilliant logic once again. 
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
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I am. I still have their cable TV service, with some outages, not that bad. Overpriced and they keep whisking away channels to the digital tier, which I also have, but annoying for my TV in the kitchen.
Next question ?
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
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said by goody two :Yeah, using that logic, employers should delay paychecks if employees are late with their reports or projects or slow with customer service. Brilliant logic once again. And they do, it is called performance evaluation and corresponding compensation.
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
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said by funchords :said by sturmvogel :We should "delay" paying Comcast for 3 months. After all, it is to better load balance the finances so that all of our creditors will have a better overall "experience". We are not blocking payment, just delaying, so it must be right. Right ? Priceless! -- Simply Priceless!  Yeah, they get quite upset when applying their logic to them as I see the "volunteer" supporters coming out. I am not doing so well financialy and I feel CC is "abusing" my finances with their high prices and continuous rate hikes. They "must drastically alter" their billing practices. How much is acceptable, I do not know and could not tell them if I knew, because they would just bill under that limit that I already deem acceptable and that would be bad, because everybody would do it. I will look around each month how much the electric and water companies charge and I will decide if CC is in the 0.1% top billers in my household. If yes, it is a resource hog and is depriving other services of using my money.
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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Hi TheSaint,
Comcast seems to be cutting off bit torrent traffic on private trackers, or at least in this area. Sorry, I can't figure out why that would be. The bits on the wire aren't any different.
I've noticed that when utorrent is running webpages also take MUCH, MUCH, longer to resolve. That's a sign that you have your uTorrent upload speed limit set incorrectly. If you're on a 6/1 Mbps cable connection, I would set your upload speed limit to somewhere around 16 KB/s to 24 KB/s.
Don't be fooled with the 1 Mbps upload size that you think you have -- it's probably shared beyond all reasonableness. So that you don't interfere with your own and your neighbor's use of the net, I would treat it as about a third of that.
If you're going to be a heavy user of P2P, I would recommend DSL. Even though the peak speeds are slower, the prices are cheaper the amount of bandwidth that they can carry without interfering with the neighborhood is a lot higher.
Cable Internet has its strengths, P2P file-sharing is not one of them.
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goody two
@sbcglobal.net
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said by sturmvogel :said by goody two :Yeah, using that logic, employers should delay paychecks if employees are late with their reports or projects or slow with customer service. Brilliant logic once again. And they do, it is called performance evaluation and corresponding compensation. Let's keep our on the ball here. We were talking about delaying, not adjusting, payments. Performance evaluation/corresponding compensation do not result in delaying pay checks. |
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
1 edit | said by goody two :said by sturmvogel :said by goody two :Yeah, using that logic, employers should delay paychecks if employees are late with their reports or projects or slow with customer service. Brilliant logic once again. And they do, it is called performance evaluation and corresponding compensation. Let's keep our on the ball here. We were talking about delaying, not adjusting, payments. Performance evaluation/corresponding compensation do not result in delaying pay checks. If performance is not satisfactory, an employee could be put on a developmental plan with or without a temporary pay cut until the performance improves. When the performance improves, the full pay rate is applied.
I guess it is a delay oy payments.
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
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said by TheSaint :Comcast seems to be cutting off bit torrent traffic on private trackers, or at least in this area. I've just signed up for Comcast HSI. Speedtest.net and the like all come out with decent speeds, but whenever I use a private tracker the connections keep on resetting. Not having used private trackers on a Comcast connection, I can't directly address that. But, in order to distinguish between public and private trackers, Comcast would have to take the time to build up a database of which trackers are public, and which are private. A rather costly, and, thus, unlikely activity on the part of Comcast. Without that knowledge, how would the Sandvine appliance distinguish between the two?
Public trackers seem to work just fine with upload and download. What is worse than just the private trackers not working, I've noticed that when utorrent is running webpages also take MUCH, MUCH, longer to resolve.
Having used my sister's Comcast connection to download fansubbed anime, I can assure you that my usage never adversely affected my sister, or her family. The thing is, I was always "upload impaired" with uTorrent while working her connection. I never pestered my brother-in-law about poking holes through his NAT appliance. I just downloaded until complete, but kept the tracker until I could return to my DSL connection and seed until reaching 1.050 (which is where I have set uTorrent to automatically stop uploading).
BTW, on my DSL connection, I used to throttle upload way back (maybe half, or so), when I had a standard, bridged DSL modem. I have since replaced that with a SpeedStream 4100 DSL modem, which, reportedly, performs outbound ACK packet prioritization. And added a D-Link DIR-655, with the default QoS setting. Although my connection theoretically can sustain 39kB/s upload, I still throttle it back. I have uTorrent set for 29kB/s upload.
I would strongly advise you to consider the advice of funchords . He knows way more about how this stuff works than I do, and way more about how cable (in general) and Comcast (in particular) work.
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goody two
@sbcglobal.net
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Pay cuts are just that, not delays, as employees won't get back the reduced amount.
The reality is that in general poorly performing employees get warnings and eventually get fired if improvements are not made. |
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italiansmoke
join:2005-07-21
Monroe, MI | reply to NormanS
I have my torrent upload speed set at 15kb/s.
I thought upload was the speed you alloted to seeding. Is there any other benefit to using a higher upload speed? Does it improve your download speed? |
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
1 edit | reply to goody two
said by goody two :
Pay cuts are just that, not delays, as employees won't get back the reduced amount.
The reality is that in general poorly performing employees get warnings and eventually get fired if improvements are not made.
Your two paragraphs contradict each other.
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goody two
@sbcglobal.net
1 edit | There's no contradiction at all between the two paragraphs, and I've been in management position in commercial lending for 20 years where I've dealt with plenty of different commercial clients. I've worked at banks and finance companies and have have to give warnings to employees who have had poor performance and let go the ones who didn't. Pay cuts were not given, since employees should be given an opportunity to improve. If they can't improve, pay cuts won't cover the deficiencies; instead, you hire other people who can perform to replace the ones who aren't.
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italiansmoke
join:2005-07-21
Monroe, MI
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reply to NormanS:
I have my torrent upload speed set at 15kb/s.
I thought upload was the speed you alloted to seeding. Is there any other benefit to using a higher upload speed? Does it improve your download speed? |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to italiansmoke
said by italiansmoke :I have my torrent upload speed set at 15kb/s. That should work for alleviating surfing issues.
I thought upload was the speed you alloted to seeding. Is there any other benefit to using a higher upload speed? Does it improve your download speed?
I have never noticed any improvement in download speed with higher upload; but I have only used public trackers, and I suspect that any benefit would only apply to private trackers.
My nominal DSL upload is 512kbps, but there is a 15% overhead, so actual speed is closer to 425kbps. AT&T does not "overprovision", as some other ISPs do. Because of my nominal UL, uTorrent pegs my max upload at 43kB/s. By rough calculation, I estimate that it is closer to 39kB/s. Because saturating the upload bandwidth has an adverse affect on other Internet activity, it is usually advisable to throttle upload instead of running at the maximum. However, most of the adverse effects are due to packet contention. Delaying outbound ACK packets, which happens on a saturated upload, slows web surfing, and the like.
My modem, as I have stated, reportedly prioritizes outbound ACK packets, over other outbound packets, which would also alleviate the effects of upload congestion. And, in addition, my D-Link DIR-655 has some kind of QoS algorithm. The result is that I don't suffer the ill effects of upload saturation as severely as would be the case with no QoS of any kind.
Other than completing the unity ratio expected of BT P2P faster, I can't think of any reason for faster upload. I think funchords has suggested that, even for DSL connections, which are better able to handle P2P bandwidth demand, that throttling back is "kinder" to the network. While the 29kB/s that I am using is probably a killer on a cable plant, it doesn't seem so hard on DSL. However, if funchords were to suggest that I should cut back to 66% (26kB/s), instead of my current 75% (29kB/s), I'd do it. As a member of a larger community, I should minimize any adverse impact my activity would have on other members of the community.
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to funchords
I would just personally switch over to DSL if you plan on doing alot of P2P or Torrent traffic. It's been made perfectly clear by MSOs - that no way in hell we're going to accommodate those type of users on it's network.
Maybe when docsis 3.0 hits - but currently, dont use P2P and Torrent sites so much. |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| reply to italiansmoke
said by italiansmoke :I have my torrent upload speed set at 15kb/s. I thought upload was the speed you alloted to seeding. Is there any other benefit to using a higher upload speed? Does it improve your download speed? Yes. The BitTorrent is a tit-for-tat protocol that links the best sharers (uploaders) together for the fastest transfers. If you're only running 1 torrent at a time, 15 KB/s is plenty. I wouldn't run more than 2 torrents at a time on a Comcast connection, and with 2 torrents you'd want to set your upload limit to around 30 KB/s (explanation: it works out to 3 slots per upload, 5 KB/s per slot). During prime-time, I would (and did) run only 1 torrent at 15 KB/s.
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | reply to goody two
Good grief! Are there cross-linked topics somewhere or has this "delay the payments" joke actually spun this far off-topic? |
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