TK Junk Mail
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|  Capital expenditures as % of revenues is the key
The key difference going forward is how much each company is reinvesting a part of their revenues in their business.
AT&T had capital expenditures in their last reported quarter of $3.3 billion from $29 billion in revenue. That is 11.4% of revenue reinvested.
Verizon had capital expenditures in their last reported quarter of $4.2 billion from $22.6 billion in revenue. That is 18.6 % of revenue reinvested.
Now the question is - how long will the Verizon shareholders be willing to delay a better return on their investment? Theoretically, they will get a better return down the line due to future higher profits on the capital expenditures. So it comes down to - do they believe Verizon management's promises or not.
Verizon EPS - 51 to 56 cents/share depending on special items
AT&T EPS - 45 to 46 cents/share depending on special items
Given the above earnings/share info, Verizon's plan still appears to be working and will give them an advantage over AT&T in the long run with a reduced chance of major complaints from shareholders. A little grumbling maybe, but no shareholder revolt is in sight yet.
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Camelot One
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| The problem is that we are comparing two companies that don't compete with each other. Verizon is expanding FIOS rollouts, but their new customers are coming from Cable, not from AT&T. So AT&T really has nothing to fear from Verizon offering a better/faster/cheaper product, and their earnings are in no way effected by it.
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by Camelot One  :The problem is that we are comparing two companies that don't compete with each other. But they do compete with each other(and many others) in the stock market when looking for sources of investment money. Mutual funds, institutional investor companies, & brokerages look to invest their money in various sectors and when balancing their portfolios and looking to invest a piece in the communications sector, AT&T and Verizon are very definitely competitors.
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Camelot One
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| Right, but that was my point. Verizon is spending money, and thus turning a lower return, so that they can beef up their network. AT&T is sitting back doing nothing (or little to nothing) and thus showing better returns. If the two companies competed for sales, to where the money VZ was spending would eat into the customer base of AT&T, it might balance out.
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by Camelot One :Verizon is spending money, and thus turning a lower return, so that they can beef up their network. AT&T is sitting back doing nothing (or little to nothing) and thus showing better returns. The main thing that matters to investors is EPS. And Verizon is still beating AT&T there.
Verizon EPS - 51 to 56 cents/share depending on special items
AT&T EPS - 45 to 46 cents/share depending on special items
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morbo
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| reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One :So AT&T really has nothing to fear from Verizon offering a better/faster/cheaper product, and their earnings are in no way effected by it. i think the AT&T and Verizon comparison is a great comparison of different strategies for running a company: short term profits vs. long term viability.
cable will eat AT&T's lunch in a few years. waiting... |
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richardpor
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join:2003-04-19
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As much as Verizon EPS is sweeter, my own sentiment is to sell Verizon and buy AT&T
To me when expenditures jump higher and profit fall, red lights start going off in my head. I have to confess I more cynical since the dot com bust when to much emphasis was placed on growth and none on expenditures and profitability. I been told too many times by companies to ignore their expresses (oh excuse me capital investment) and look into the future for some pie in the sky profitability just to see the company go bust.
If I were the CEO I would never had put money into Fiber until I am sure I can reach maximum penetration of the market. For me is no fiber in the ground until we can reach both single occupancy home AND multi-dweller units. I also would drop the idea of become a media company. Instead, I would sell connections to other companies to provide video and cable services to my customers, leaving it to them to handle franchising and dealing with media providers like Viacom. I would put my effort in improving the network. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Another thing to consider is what will be the need of either company to raise money in the equity markets in the near to mid future. I'd say, not very great, since further acquisitions will be legislative & political minefields.
This means they only need to be able to re-finance their unsecured debt, where EPS is secondary to interest coverage and cash flow. As long as they can maintain their credit ratings/metrics then neither company will have short term worries.
Long term, AT&T will be in trouble, unless they see a game changing technology coming down the pipes (some type of wireless) that they're going to leap frog the entire wired network paradigm with. Somehow I think whitacre hasn't been interested in looking that far, seeing as how he's not going to be there. |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| That all depends. Verizon made the correct technological decision without a doubt, however ATT may have very well have made the correct economical decision. IF ATT gets similar take rates for u-verse as verizon get for fios, the winner is going to be ATT by a large margin as they spent far less. |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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| reply to richardpor
said by richardpor :As much as Verizon EPS is sweeter, my own sentiment is to sell Verizon and buy AT&T ......................................................................I would sell connections to other companies to provide video and cable services to my customers, leaving it to them to handle franchising and dealing with media providers like Viacom. I would put my effort in improving the network. Buy low sell high is correct.
Letting the leaches in when Verizon spent so much money killing them is incorrect. |
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batterup
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| reply to cwh
said by cwh :That all depends. Verizon made the correct technological decision without a doubt, however ATT may have very well have made the correct economical decision. IF ATT gets similar take rates for u-verse as verizon get for fios, the winner is going to be ATT by a large margin as they spent far less. at&t has a similar set up as their competitors CATV. If at&t had to compete with Verizon they would be in deep doo doo. |
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grays
join:2006-02-14
Rochelle Park, NJ | reply to richardpor
verizon in new jersey have to rent out copper not fiber.figure it out.one day all those companies who rent copper will be told the plant is yours were outa here.they will go under fast.just watch. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
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You're still thinking in the next 1-5 years time frame. It can take 20 years to rebuild a national network. Once people are used to streaming 50 different HD streams at the same time they're not going to sign up for a copper based network.
AT&T's only hope is that Fiber becomes 2nd generation before copper becomes obsolete. Or they'll completely change their strategy with their CEO. |
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dvaaa
@comcast.net | reply to TK Junk Mail
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WRONG!!!! Cap. Exp. does not mean reinvesting of money from revenue. It means reinvesting of funds from any source such as loans and such. |
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