RideRed
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1 edit | Why can't they bury them?
Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? |
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moonpuppy
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| Re: Why can they bury them?
said by RideRed  :Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? Cost. Plain and simple. |
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Karl Bode
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Something I read said that technically they can, but the cost is significantly more.... |
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battleop
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Re: Why can't they bury them?
What's wrong with a little landscaping around these boxes? A few shrubs to help blend them into the landscape can't be that cost probative. |
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USA | Because according to some articles they're ending up in people's front yards, like a monolith from 2001. |
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gpidock
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| said by RideRed :Because according to some articles they're ending up in people's front yards, like a monolith from 2001. That's exactly what they look like. They are around my town and I've seen them right in people's front yards in a few places. If they can be placed under ground than AT&T should have to do so. |
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said by RideRed :Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? said by moonpuppy :said by RideRed :Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? Cost. Plain and simple. As mentioned it's cost.
Not sure on the exact figures but i was told the diffrence is like.
$100,000 for above ground R.T. versus A million to put it underground.
I'll agree underground would help keep the R.T. cooler so it doesnt overheat as easy.
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Even if they don't bury them everywhere, they can same themselves from political grief if they were a bit more sensitive not to the city, but to local residents. Bury it where it may impact the value of people's homes, but don't when they're located on city thoroughfares or commercial properites where the looks don't have quite the stunning impact.
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| said by RideRed :they can same themselves from political grief if they were a bit more sensitive not to the city, but to local residents. that's just it though. THEY DON'T CARE. giving into this city equals even more cities that will put up similar fights, and so on. the process of suing the cities that try to stop them is so much cheaper to do than to bury all the boxes. it's a business decision by the deathstar...which is almost completely operational. |
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said by RideRed :Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? How about it because it would make them unserviceable unless the cabinet was mounted on a hydraulic lift.
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wstwrdho
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Don't want to bury them in any area with a real winter.
It goes like ....... customer outage Feb 1st.
Tech is dispatched.
Opens lid.
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Here comes the repair army. Dump trucks, backhoes, service trucks everywhere. Total mayhem, destruction of property.
Article on broadbandreports.com saying why didn't the idiots put them above ground. |
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Like the cable vaults on my block that the Comcrap guys go into all the time.
Right.
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idjk
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If they put them it what is called 'CEV' controlled environment vault (kinda of like a old bomb shelter or a 8x8x12 room about 12-15 feet down).
There is still a fair sized box up top about 4x6x 2 feet high that has the locked door access to ladder and the a/c unit and blower for 'controlled environment'- can't be to hot or damp.
But because of the expense these are usually only put at industrial parks or entrance to very large neighborhoods, they usually have fiber meet points for mux's and still have above ground cross boxes around the area that are not much smaller that these boxes. |
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dynodb
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Re: Why can they bury them?
said by moonpuppy :said by RideRed :Why can't these be put in a pit with a plate over them? Cost. Plain and simple. It's not "plain and simple" cost; you people sure have a way of beating a dead strawman.
RT's need to be accessed on a pretty regular basis- exactly how would you accomplish this with it buried underground? Keep in mind you'd need access all sides of the cabinet with room to work, while also keeping it protected from the elements and accessable even when there's a foot of snow on the ground, and providing for airflow for the fans in the Summer.
In order to do this, you'd need a very large hole... and then there'd be complaints about the 10 x 10 x 10 foot hole being dug in someone's yard. |
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Ahrenl
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Re: Why can't they bury them?
What about a box that could hydraulically lift itself out of the ground for access? That MUST be cheaper than building a giant underground bunker. |
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JazzJRabbit
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Wheaton, IL | Good solution but still more expensive than just putting one in the neighborhood and there are other potential problems. I'm not an expert in any way, but I would imagine there would be heat and humidity issues if you place it underground. |
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JamesPC
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Orange, CA | reply to RideRed
COST |
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JamesPC
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Orange, CA | reply to wstwrdho
LOL...thats great "wstwrdho"....SO TRUE! |
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moonpuppy
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Re: Why can they bury them?
said by dynodb :It's not "plain and simple" cost; you people sure have a way of beating a dead strawman. RT's need to be accessed on a pretty regular basis- exactly how would you accomplish this with it buried underground? Keep in mind you'd need access all sides of the cabinet with room to work, while also keeping it protected from the elements and accessable even when there's a foot of snow on the ground, and providing for airflow for the fans in the Summer. In order to do this, you'd need a very large hole... and then there'd be complaints about the 10 x 10 x 10 foot hole being dug in someone's yard. So tell me then how can Verizon do FIOS without those boxes? I have it in my neighborhood and nothing that big is in my area and the cable junctions are smaller than the in-ground feed points for electrical service.
Thank you for proving my point. It would cost more to submerge the RT than do do it above ground.
ATT is trying to get off doing this the easy way. They either need more thought or a better plan. Until the higher ups have one of these on their property, then they need to be more attentive to the citizens they deploy to.  |
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dynodb
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| FIOS, IPTV and cable broadband are completely different technologies with different infrastructure- you can't compare them.
Yes, it would be possible to put RT's underground, and yes it would be more expensive... but more importantly it's not terribly practical, especially considering the drawbacks (access to the RT, flooding, snow, etc) and that the only benefit is aesthetics.
Seriously, I doubt it even would occur to the telcos to put them underground. The company I work for has over 10,000 RTs and I've not once even heard the possibility of them being installed underground even mentioned, much less considered. |
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