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novaflare
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reply to hayabusa3303
Re: Good

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

said by N3OGH See Profile :

So, if people download photographs that children had to be exploited sexually to produce, you're saying you're OK with that?

It's one thing to download a movie or a song with with your "anonymity". It's another thing to support the sexual exploitation of children by using your "anonymity" to download pictures of child pornography.

I'm not one of these "won't someone think of the children" people that thinks everything should be censored and that Janet Jackson's boob flopping out at the Super Bowl (Can I say Super Bowl without the express written permission of the NFL? ) But we're not talking about a victimless crime here. Were talking about supporting the "anonymity" of people who take pictures children, some as young toddlers, engaged in actual sex acts with full grown adults.

Sorry fella, no way I can justify that. No rationale you can throw at me, no high minded notion of what someones "privacy" is worth can justify it.

I've had to look at some of this stuff in the course of my work. I've seen some of the most disgusting, reprehensible, and criminal things done to kids to produce this shit. It's seared into my mind, and just the thought of it right now makes me physically ill.

There are, IMHO 2 kinds of people in the world. 1: The sickos that are into this stuff, and get off on it, AND 2: Everyone else.

I'm not directing any kind of attack at you personally, but if you had actually seen some of the shit that's out there, I think you might see things differently. I'm probably one of the few people here than can admit they've seen it and not face prosecution, as it was in the course of conducting an arrest and investigation.

Sorry, but when it comes to kid touchers, I've got ZERO sympathy. I just can't find it...
I would like to shake your hand well said.
Id like to have had 5 minutes with the perp in the interigation room with my knife on my side. Snip snip snip plop plop plop get the idea

Anonimity on the itnernet is a load of crap any how. Dont think for one secound that tor keeps your isp from seeign where you go it does not. They may not be able to see what your downloading there do to encryption but they can see the http or https url you went to. Tor is no more than a proxy. If you want to see this for your self set up a proxy with encryption right before your modem and then one right before your router (or after) That is not encrypted. Now the proxy after the one right before your modem is your tor stand in. The one after that and before your pc your browesing with is your isps modem or their own proxy. Now visit a few https sites with good strong encryption and valid certs. Now finally check the logs in the proxy just before your pc.

What you will see is the https web site you went to.
This is the same thing your isp can see as they are your first hop after your modem. While you can bypass proxies your isp uses with another proxy you can not bypass their routers. Routers all have logging capabilities these routers will log url requests that are coming and going through them. So regardless of the number of hops tor gives you your isp can still infact see this.
The reason why tor allows you to bypass url etc restrictions your isp imposes is simple. All isps known at this time use proxies to filter url requests. Now tor like any proxy is done via ip so sense it would be impossible to filter out 1000s of ips to block them as a isp has no idea where or what those ips are they do not block on a ip by ip basis. If tor on the other hand used tor.someclient.com instead a isp could block tor with a simple tor.*.* entry.
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Evil does exist and it has a face to often that face is one that should look on their child with love in their eyes.

Instead only hate exists in those eyes.

AquaBlaze
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said by novaflare See Profile :

Id like to have had 5 minutes with the perp in the interigation room with my knife on my side. Snip snip snip plop plop plop get the idea
...and it's reasons like this I'm glad as hell you have nothing to do with the justice system.


rtcy
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said by AquaBlaze See Profile :

said by novaflare See Profile :

Id like to have had 5 minutes with the perp in the interigation room with my knife on my side. Snip snip snip plop plop plop get the idea
...and it's reasons like this I'm glad as hell you have nothing to do with the justice system.
I was careful to qualify my comments with *proven* with today's DNA technology getting better every day, it's easier to get DNA evidence of a anyone that has been with a child, I also know thre will be times when such is not possible, that's when *reasonable doubt* comes into play.

hope I've cleared my position, and as Gene Hackman said in the movie " yes SIR by all means NUKE those bastards" uhh molesters

AquaBlaze
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said by rtcy See Profile :

I was careful to qualify my comments with *proven* with today's DNA technology getting better every day, it's easier to get DNA evidence of a anyone that has been with a child, I also know thre will be times when such is not possible, that's when *reasonable doubt* comes into play.
So, again, should a test be conducted incorrectly, or evidence tampered with to give a false positive on a DNA test read, then it should be OK to do whatever with the suspect/inmate then?

That's the thing with technology. Nomatter how good we make, it, there's always a human factor involved with things. Now, if you're willing to sacrifice those few falsely incarcerated as simply a by-product of "streamlining efficiency", then that's (again) an opinion which makes me glad as hell you have nothing to do with the justice system.

Just keep in mind, an "open and shut" case presented in court today could very well be the "reasonable doubt" case of tomorrow.
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