ABL
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Re: Microsoft WGA phones home even when told not to
said by OZO  :Why would one care, unless he hides something illegal on his computer? Right?  If a band of Nazis harass you, its ok if you don't have anything to hide?
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huntermcdole
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| Thus proving Godwin's Law.
As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent.
said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
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salterbomb
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League City, TX | this scares me so much i'm stopping my computer usage immediately!
phone's and regular mail is the way to go. the government or any organization will never spy on me ever again.
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AB
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said by huntermcdole :. . you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
That's right, I don't own the XP software.
When I rent a television, does the company I rent it from have the right to come into my home to see what program I'm watching on it? |
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Youngjm
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| said by AB :said by huntermcdole :. . you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
That's right, I don't own the XP software. When I rent a television, does the company I rent it from have the right to come into my home to see what program I'm watching on it? Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems. |
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mers2
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said by huntermcdole :Thus proving Godwin's Law. As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
They own the OS, but they don't own the hardware or any other software on my box. If they care to buy me a computer complete with all of the necessary software they can than have access to everything I have on it. Until than they can stuff it. I'm already dual booting into Linux and it appears it will be 100% Linux in the near future. If I choose not to install a MS product thus declining the terms of that product it darn well better not phone home with my information anyway. I haven't installed the current WGA crap. I have other means of getting updates and I couldn't care less about their extra goodies.
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mers2
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said by Youngjm :said by AB :said by huntermcdole :. . you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
That's right, I don't own the XP software. When I rent a television, does the company I rent it from have the right to come into my home to see what program I'm watching on it? Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems. But they can't tell each and every location you've been to and what activities you've been doing.
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AB
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said by Youngjm :Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems. And what if the car I have chosen to rent is not equipped with GPS?
Does the rental company have the right to know what store I drove to to do my shopping, or where my friend lives that I visited in that car? |
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ABL
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I didn't need the EULA dragged out sir, I know it well .  |
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MarkAW
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said by huntermcdole : said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
Ok where does it say in the EULA that Microsoft has the right to use said software or for that matter another software to spy on my use of said software.
I may not own the software as you say but i do own the system it is on and i can use it as i see fit as long as i don't violate my licences agreement with them which i haven't and i do own the right to refuse what they try to force me to download from them onto my system that will send my info back to them which is none of their business.
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OZO
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| said by MarkAW :Ok where does it say in the EULA that Microsoft has the right to use said software or for that matter another software to spy on my use of said software. I may not own the software as you say but i do own the system it is on and i can use it as i see fit as long as i don't violate my licences agreement with them which i haven't and i do own the right to refuse what they try to force me to download from them onto my system that will send my info back to them which is none of their business. That's right. I owe the system. After I installed the OS (that m$ wants to say I do not owe it) it becomes MY system. Right after I modified it by typing my user name into it - it becomes MY personal system. That personalized system is NOT property of m$, even it its dreams. Any documents that I've created on that system is my property, as well as all installed programs on it... And nobody has right to check what I have in it or do with it without a properly written warrant. Why it's so difficult to comprehend for some folks supporting the new business model pushed by m$? I do not know.
Again, it's MY computer and I will run whatever I want to on it, even the bundle with the name "Window XP". If I want - I modify it as I need (and I do every day, since its installation). In short - I've bought it, I owe it, I may sell it, I may trash it...
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said by huntermcdole :Thus proving Godwin's Law. As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
Ah, but I never gave them permission to use my internet connection. Their software can do what it wants as long as it doesn't interfere with my hardware or my internet connection. I did not liscense either of those from MS.
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said by mers2 :But they can't tell each and every location you've been to and what activities you've been doing. Yes they can. They can also tell how fast you were going, what time of day it was, duration of braking etc. prior to that accident you got into. That technology is built into all new cars.
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| GPS and logging may tell them where I've been, but it won't tell them everything I've been doing and even if the car is stopped at a location there is no way of logging if I went anywhere else without the car be it via walking or another vehicle.
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Martinus
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said by AB :And what if the car I have chosen to rent is not equipped with GPS? Does the rental company have the right to know what store I drove to to do my shopping, or where my friend lives that I visited in that car? Just remember not to leave the pr0n rags under the driver's seat when you deliver the car back. |
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PeeWee
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said by mers2 :GPS and logging may tell them where I've been, but it won't tell them everything I've been doing and even if the car is stopped at a location there is no way of logging if I went anywhere else without the car be it via walking or another vehicle.
Still more information than your computer os can report, all without a EULA. Operating the vehicle implies consent for this information to be used for or against you. All by downloading from vehicle on-board computer that you have no right to prevent.
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mers2
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| said by PeeWee :[ Still more information than your computer os can report, all without a EULA. Operating the vehicle implies consent for this information to be used for or against you. All by downloading from vehicle on-board computer that you have no right to prevent. Car rental agencies are liable in the event of an accident for a tremendous amount of money and are therefore entitled to a certain degree of information: has the driver been speeding, any "black box" type information in the event of an accident. They are even entitled to find out if the car has been taken to a geographic location- outside of the contract. They are allowed to collect license and credit card information to secure the rental. What they are not allowed to do is collect information on any other modes of transportation we use, if we walked or how far and what specific places we actually visited. A GPS doesn't specify what store/restaurant/business you went in to or what you purchased/ate there or who you talked to.
MS is not liable for anything I do with their OS. As long as I have purchased the license and verified it is legitimate I have fulfilled my obligation to them. If I choose not to participate in WGA they have NO right to monitor my registry or my online activities or any other software I have on my computer. Unless I ask them to because I'm having a specific problem. And I never ask. I couldn't care less about their "free" software offerings.
I'm also one of those people who doesn't use store cards and pay for most things in cash and try to ensure there is as little trackable data as possible - which is an ever losing battle these days.
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| Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases.
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MarkAW
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| said by PeeWee :Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases. Yeah but Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency.
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said by PeeWee :Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases. The car I own doesn't...
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