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Re: Microsoft WGA phones home even when told not to
said by Razzy  :I was being sarcastic. =) Not criticizing the comment, merely confirming your hyperbole.  |
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3 edits | reply to DRM Fault
said by DRM Fault :said by Martinus :Creo que cogiste a Google translation en un mal día. If I had used Giggle to create that, it would have at least spelled Cumbiaberon properly. The joys of being anon. No corrections. Sorry to hear that, compadre.
Gotta blame your Spanish teacher then. I mean, the synthax is, well...to put it mildly, un desastre, as García Márquez would say.
EDIT: not nearly as bad as my English synthax though
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said by MikeStammer :if you are a legit user, why does it matter?! Because, frankly, I don't like my information being sent to ANYBODY without my 1)consent and 2)knowing what information is being sent.
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Karl Bode
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The anon's comment seemed to inflame some, but he raises a valid question: has anyone confirmed this? |
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All Windows Update installations send back similar data sets to Microsoft, according to the followup story.
Heise »www.heise-security.co.uk/news/86429
MS blog »blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2007/···try.aspx
Slashdot »yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/03/08/1817210.shtml
Can anyone clarify whether this is true only when updates are installed by the automatic methods (Windows Update/Microsoft Update) or whether it is also true of downloaded installers for updates? I use the latter and have not seen any alerts on the software firewall, and would like to know whether MS is bypassing it. |
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said by PeeWee :[ Still more information than your computer os can report, all without a EULA. Operating the vehicle implies consent for this information to be used for or against you. All by downloading from vehicle on-board computer that you have no right to prevent. Car rental agencies are liable in the event of an accident for a tremendous amount of money and are therefore entitled to a certain degree of information: has the driver been speeding, any "black box" type information in the event of an accident. They are even entitled to find out if the car has been taken to a geographic location- outside of the contract. They are allowed to collect license and credit card information to secure the rental. What they are not allowed to do is collect information on any other modes of transportation we use, if we walked or how far and what specific places we actually visited. A GPS doesn't specify what store/restaurant/business you went in to or what you purchased/ate there or who you talked to.
MS is not liable for anything I do with their OS. As long as I have purchased the license and verified it is legitimate I have fulfilled my obligation to them. If I choose not to participate in WGA they have NO right to monitor my registry or my online activities or any other software I have on my computer. Unless I ask them to because I'm having a specific problem. And I never ask. I couldn't care less about their "free" software offerings.
I'm also one of those people who doesn't use store cards and pay for most things in cash and try to ensure there is as little trackable data as possible - which is an ever losing battle these days.
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1 edit | Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases.
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| said by PeeWee :Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases. Yeah but Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency.
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said by Karl Bode :The anon's comment seemed to inflame some, but he raises a valid question: has anyone confirmed this? Good question. Confirmation or disproof would be nice.
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said by PeeWee :Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases. The car I own doesn't...
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Mele20
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said by fatness :said by Karl Bode :The anon's comment seemed to inflame some, but he raises a valid question: has anyone confirmed this? Good question. Confirmation or disproof would be nice. I had to go hunt for the anon's comment (it should have been quoted since it was on the first page) and I still don't know exactly what you are asking. Confirmation or disproof of what? Microsoft has confirmed that information is sent back if you decline the install of WGA. The links are in swhx7's post.
Or are you wanting confirmation of swhx7's concern? That is what I want to know...do downloaded installers also bypass a firewall or, in my case, ProcessGuard and call home?
Or are you asking about the OT part of this thread regarding computers in certain automobiles calling home?
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DRM Fault
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| You are correct Melee, those links do confirm the worst. They also explain pretty well what is being returned and why. Looks like natural normal info that is just part of the customer care system. Lots of folks getting pretty frothed up for some pretty skinny looking reasons. Any customer service my supplier of a $140 piece of software wants to provide to me would be most welcome. So, they collect the serial number of the hard drive and your license key ? Oh my god, damn ! |
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1 edit | reply to Mele20
Thank you. I had missed that post. The second link in this provides the information.
»Re: Microsoft WGA phones home even when told not to
second link repeated here to prevent dummies like me from missing it for convenience: »blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2007/···try.aspx
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According to one of the replies on the latest Microsoft
phones home topic on Slashdot, it would be nearly impossible
to use Windows Update without some information being sent
back to Microsoft.
And another reply states that only in the case of pirated
software is the information retained. It is otherwise
deleted.
This is beginning to sound more and more like a case of
FUD from Heise Online.
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said by MarkAW :said by PeeWee :Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases. Yeah but Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency. So your okay with that and complain about computer hardware information being shared with microsoft?
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Mele20
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Everyone knows that if you use WU/MU that information is phoned home regardless of whether you install WGA notification or not. You have to allow WGA validation to use WU/MU and you cannot remove it later from your computer. That is what I object to...not being to remove it or disable it without using a crack.
But what I want to know is if Microsoft has something hidden in the downloaded installer for a patch that you get from MS download site that calls home when the patch is installed...something that bypasses firewalls and software like ProcessGuard. No comments? Until proven that MS is not doing this, I certainly don't think the concerns in this thread are unwarranted. Further, DRM Fault, I have OEM XP so I don't get help from MS and they don't need to underhandly send anything back to HQ especially if they are doing it from the installer in order to get information on who avoids WU/MU.
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said by PeeWee :said by MarkAW :said by PeeWee :Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases. Yeah but Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency. So your okay with that and complain about computer hardware information being shared with microsoft? Where in my statement do you see me agreeing with you or what you are saying. I clearly stated that Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency that was all i said so i would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth or posts thank you.
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said by Mele20 :But what I want to know is if Microsoft has something hidden in the downloaded installer for a patch that you get from MS download site that calls home when the patch is installed.. What would be the point? "They" know you downloaded it, since you sent a request to their web site to download it. They can reasonably infer you're likely to install it, unless you're fond of sticking it to the man by downloading patches and then not installing them. If Microsoft wants to collect data on you, Occam's Razor says they'll do it in the obvious way when you ask for the download, not by some tricky means later.
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said by Doctor Four :According to one of the replies on the latest Microsoft phones home topic on Slashdot, it would be nearly impossible to use Windows Update without some information being sent back to Microsoft. And another reply states that only in the case of pirated software is the information retained. It is otherwise deleted. This is beginning to sound more and more like a case of FUD from Heise Online. I agree. The links don't "confirm" that anything nefarious is going on at all....quite the contrary actually.
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said by Mele20 :Everyone knows that if you use WU/MU that information is phoned home regardless of whether you install WGA notification or not. You have to allow WGA validation to use WU/MU and you cannot remove it later from your computer. That is what I object to...not being to remove it or disable it without using a crack. But what I want to know is if Microsoft has something hidden in the downloaded installer for a patch that you get from MS download site that calls home when the patch is installed...something that bypasses firewalls and software like ProcessGuard. No comments? Until proven that MS is not doing this, I certainly don't think the concerns in this thread are unwarranted. Further, DRM Fault, I have OEM XP so I don't get help from MS and they don't need to underhandly send anything back to HQ especially if they are doing it from the installer in order to get information on who avoids WU/MU. Problem being, MS could never prove otherwise to your satisfaction. You've already got it in your head that MS MUST be secretly using "something that bypasses firewalls and software....", no doubt about it, and nothing will change your mind. If you can't understand the simple concept of why they want basic, non personally identifying information about WU install successes and failures, it's a lost cause for anything beyond that.
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