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Re: Microsoft WGA phones home even when told not to
Following that slashdot link to the original source, it's a German article. Here is the Google translation: »www.google.com/translate?u=http%···&ie=UTF8
Source article: »www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/85884
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| reply to John Galt
Lol, coming to a city near you, very soon! In the USA.
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1 edit | reply to DRM Fault
said by DRM Fault :
With a forum full of security nerds, can anybody verify this claim to be true ? Any decent firewall or router will detect an out-going connection. My VLK special edition of XP Pro does not seem to be able to even download any patches, so I can't test it myself. With all the MS bashing and FUD going around these days, I'm a bit skeptical of the validity of claims using a single screen shot in a foreign language as evidence of a crime.
Been watching this thread, wondering how long it would take for someone would bring up this very thing. I'd like to see some credible proof of this myself, and what I've seen on that website (and the one in very badly translated German) aren't it.
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| reply to MarkAW
said by MarkAW  :Ok where does it say in the EULA that Microsoft has the right to use said software or for that matter another software to spy on my use of said software. I may not own the software as you say but i do own the system it is on and i can use it as i see fit as long as i don't violate my licences agreement with them which i haven't and i do own the right to refuse what they try to force me to download from them onto my system that will send my info back to them which is none of their business. That's right. I owe the system. After I installed the OS (that m$ wants to say I do not owe it) it becomes MY system. Right after I modified it by typing my user name into it - it becomes MY personal system. That personalized system is NOT property of m$, even it its dreams. Any documents that I've created on that system is my property, as well as all installed programs on it... And nobody has right to check what I have in it or do with it without a properly written warrant. Why it's so difficult to comprehend for some folks supporting the new business model pushed by m$? I do not know.
Again, it's MY computer and I will run whatever I want to on it, even the bundle with the name "Window XP". If I want - I modify it as I need (and I do every day, since its installation). In short - I've bought it, I owe it, I may sell it, I may trash it...
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2 edits | reply to Doctor Four
Some will try to make those of us who disagree with MS's latest tactics as "MS bashers". While there are those who have bashed MS from almost day one, I've been with MS since Windows 3.0. So have many others who now object to the ever increasingly invasive, annoying, controlling and highly ineffective at anti-piracy tactics MS is using. We do have viable choices these days, unlike in the past. Some of us are choosing to cut ties with MS and giving the reason(s) why.
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AB
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| reply to DRM Fault
said by DRM Fault :
With a forum full of security nerds, can anybody verify this claim to be true ? Any decent firewall or router will detect an out-going connection. My VLK special edition of XP Pro does not seem to be able to even download any patches, so I can't test it myself. With all the MS bashing and FUD going around these days, I'm a bit skeptical of the validity of claims using a single screen shot in a foreign language as evidence of a crime. What do you care? You run a stolen OS, don't you? Or is that why you DO care?
I don't know. Beats me.
How comical that a thief is constantly referring to the "FUD" of others, though.
But here's what Microsoft owns up to WGA Notification collecting:
»www.microsoft.com/genuine/Facts.···ylang=en
As well as their assurances that any ongoing lawsuits will be found 'without merit'.
Gee, I'm getting all warm & fuzzy inside.
That list sounds to me a little like some stuff it's none of their business knowing.
There's plenty of other links. That's just one of the official ones. |
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| reply to Doctor Four
said by Doctor Four :According to someone who posted this at Slashdot, quote:
"When you start WGA setup and get to the license agreement
page but decided NOT to install the highly controversial
WGA component and cancel the installation, the setup
program will send information stored in your registry and
the fact that you choose not to install WGA back to
Microsoft's servers."
» yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/03/07/162203.shtmlI knew there was a good reason for my refusing the download of this. It appears to send some kind of unique ID to Microsoft. Don't ya Love an Onion, peel one or two back! OOps, anon.
I would like to see these these folks, 'Annie-up'. Realizing that some of these anons are members, stirring a pot. |
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| said by Kiwi :Realizing that some of these anons are members, stirring a pot. At BBR??!! Say it AIN'T so...!!
Sh-sh-shocking!
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| reply to AB
said by AB :How comical that a thief is constantly referring to the "FUD" of others, though. I'm happy to have amuzed you. Conversely, I am equally amuzed that some folks take "Microsoft Spyware" seriously enough to try to create a linux partition on a blank hard drive, let alone trying to get it installed and working. You GO cowboys. You OWN yer computer stuff. My OSes have had nary a "security" patch, and nary a viral infection since around 1999. I have almost 2 TB of DRM Free MP3s and various videos. I stopped collecting things a year ago when I realized that I would never have time to listen to and watch it all. A NAT router and Kaspersky is all anybody needs.  |
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| said by DRM Fault :
. . I am equally amuzed that some folks take "Microsoft Spyware" seriously enough to try to create a linux partition on a blank hard drive, let alone trying to get it installed and working. . . . Eh, I dunno. I've never tried. Didn't know it was that tough.
Got Ubuntu installed on my other machine, though. I'm slowly learning it.
My OSes have had nary a "security" patch, and nary a viral infection since around 1999. I've got most of my patches, and haven't been infected in a long time either.
What that has to do with WGA, however (other than WGA being a more or less "voluntary" infection), I haven't a clue.
I have almost 2 TB of DRM Free MP3s and various videos. I stopped collecting things a year ago when I realized that I would never have time to listen to and watch it all. Maybe you could upload some of it here?
I like the Stones, a lot of New Wave-type stuff, Classical, all kinds of things-- no Michael Jackson or Hip-Hop though, please. Just my personal taste.
A NAT router and Kaspersky is all anybody needs. |
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2 edits | reply to Doctor Four
If you pick your nose while driving down the road and decide not to roll down the window and flick it out..does you steering wheel get sticky ?
Anyone who even runs into the WGA is trying to get a proggie like windows defender..an update...or some other goodie from Microsoft. If you don't want to deal with the WGA don't even click on the button to have it start running..and even if you do that..don't then say no to the WGA..just close out your browser and click on your NEXT favorite link.
Also if you do a boo boo..I think CCleaner will still do the deed and you will not be punished.
»www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta···id=10134
The Windows Genuine Advantage
How can I tell if my copy of Windows is genuine?
To help you verify that you are using genuine Windows, Microsoft offers a quick and easy online process called validation.
Validation takes only a few moments, and enables Microsoft to create a match between your PC's hardware profile and your 25-character Product Key (located on the Certificate of Authenticity), which Microsoft stores and checks against future activation and validation attempts. We do this to ensure that your Product Key is not used by another person in a malicious manner, such as activating a counterfeit or non-genuine copy of Windows.
»www.microsoft.com/genuine/downlo···ylang=en
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| reply to John Galt
You do know there are microphones and cameras EVERYWHERE in most major U.S. cities right? There's probably at least 5 cameras that can see me just walking to my car outside.
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1 edit | reply to Doctor Four
"The Windows Genuine Advantage
How can I tell if my copy of Windows is genuine?"
.. apart from the FAT HOLE in my wallet you mean???
It would have been rich indeed if they tried this on Win 3.1.. Maybe for MS-DOS 5?? You know the "stable" version?
»www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/32030
I will sooner find an alternative than opt in to "invasion" thx.
Either more and more people accept the "Windows invasion not installed advantage" (WINIA) or .. well .. they change their "practices" .. its really is that simple.
You might say that you cant game/do hardcore office stuff .. but you know what? Most can do what they need to do and in time things improve.
So yes .. this is a "wake up call" and in the strongest terms possible.. aka FIRE whoever is responsible.
If you are not rich enough already/feel you are ripped off from your last OS.. WHY make a new one? Yes that is because .. well I will leave you all to think that over  |
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| reply to AB
said by AB :I like the Stones, a lot of New Wave-type stuff, Classical, all kinds of things-- no Michael Jackson or Hip-Hop though, please. Just my personal taste. No te precupes. Soy un Cumiaberon. Todo de baile en los dos idiomas. Mas de la mitad era de baile, tus favoritas, Michael y tambien musica de los prietos.  Solo que faultan en mi collecion era de los red nex, country music ! Que feo ! |
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| said by DRM Fault :said by AB :I like the Stones, a lot of New Wave-type stuff, Classical, all kinds of things-- no Michael Jackson or Hip-Hop though, please. Just my personal taste. No te precupes. Soy un Cumiaberon. Todo de baile en los dos idiomas. Mas de la mitad era de baile, tus favoritas, Michael y tambien musica de los prietos. Solo que faultan en mi collecion era de los red nex, country music ! Que feo ! Odd that you'd be lacking country, as you keep claiming what a redneck you are.
I love reggae, soul, etc.-- just not hip-hop. That isn't "music", to my ears, so to speak.
Y cuando te digas "Michael "Y" la musica prieto"-- esto es correcto, hay que Michael Jackson no es un prieto-- la musica de el, o en el color de piel.
I'm a dancin' fool, too. But that's the only kind.
Guess I'll have to make do with finding my own music. |
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| reply to huntermcdole
said by huntermcdole :Thus proving Godwin's Law. As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent. said by XP EULA :
3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.
Ah, but I never gave them permission to use my internet connection. Their software can do what it wants as long as it doesn't interfere with my hardware or my internet connection. I did not liscense either of those from MS.
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| reply to mers2
said by mers2 :But they can't tell each and every location you've been to and what activities you've been doing. Yes they can. They can also tell how fast you were going, what time of day it was, duration of braking etc. prior to that accident you got into. That technology is built into all new cars.
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said by lawrence171 :I have yet to see a viable alternative to Microsoft Windows on the PC platform. I use PCLinuxOS which works fine for me. Several other distributions of Linux also work well, so there's a real choice as far as I'm concerned. Admittedly it's not for everyone, but it's continually improving.
But why stick to the PC platform? Apple make a perfectly usable range of machines which, though admittedly more expensive, are user-friendly and pretty solid performers. |
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| reply to John Galt
said by John Galt :Rick, buddy. I suggest that you MOVE from the UK. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but YOUR GOVERNMENT is crawling up your ass. You live in THE surveillance society...even the Chinese wish they have surveillance like the British. Microsoft is the LEAST of YOUR problems. Microsoft are less of a problem for me as I use Linux more and more. And I'm fully aware of the 1984-type society that the UK is becoming, believe me. Which is why I'm fighting on several fronts, against ID Cards, Road Pricing and so on. Microsoft are just ONE problem, not the only one and definitely not the biggest threat, but nonetheless a serious threat and one that too few people are aware of. |
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