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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
reply to CopperMux
Re: well i had an idea for prevention...

Why dont we use the USF then?

CopperMux

join:2005-01-18
·Comcast

reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 See Profile :

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. This just proves it, wire stealing is out of a 3rd world country, not the USA. We have a near-3rd world utility infastructure. Maybe if VZ didnt treat WV like a unwanted stepchild ready to be spun off to the likes of Century Tel, people wouldnt treat it like shit, and remember, Fiber optic cable has little to no resale value (you cant fuse/splice together/melt and remake fiber, and when you do, you can do it a limited amount of times before there is no signal left).
So just drop the copper and put fiber in everywhere, for every company? Ready for your bill to be about $3K a month?

Its not that simple.


Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online

reply to kruser
said by kruser See Profile :

Someone stole the copper flashing off of my Aunt's home while they were home eating dinner!
They heard this horrible noise and by the time they came outside to see, the thieves were running down the street with sheets of copper trailing behind them.
And this was well over 30 years ago!

I know many contractors and home builders in my area and I can say that I hear a new copper theft story about once per week. Mostly copper plumbing ripped out of new or rehab construction.

At my work a thief stole over $20,000 worth of direct burial irrigation control wire.
Turned out he ws caught and also one of my night employees.
He had sold the wire for scrap and at that time received just over $5,000 for it as scrap.
This was about 1 year ago.
He is now behind bars
Good thing the bars aren't made of copper.
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-Virtual Pirate-

decin2002
Premium
join:2005-11-09
Belmont, NH


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reply to Hall
High Voltage···hock.zip 473,651 bytes
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>>>>PPS attached and posted below

I work in the telecom industry, and made a lot of money last year selling the used scrap we were replacing. What I did was 100% legal. However, some folks stole everything that wasn't nailed down, including new stock and copper that was already installed.

I have a pps slide show (about 500K) that will detail the negative aspects of stealing copper. If anyone would like to see it, and only if you have a strong stomach, email me @ hovno2002@hotmail.com. If there is a place to post it, let me know. It will make anyone think twice about stealing copper.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY


1 edit
reply to G343
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. This just proves it, wire stealing is out of a 3rd world country, not the USA. We have a near-3rd world utility infastructure. Maybe if VZ didnt treat WV like a unwanted stepchild ready to be spun off to the likes of Century Tel, people wouldnt treat it like shit, and remember, Fiber optic cable has little to no resale value (you cant fuse/splice together/melt and remake fiber, and when you do, you can do it a limited amount of times before there is no signal left).

CopperMux

join:2005-01-18
·Comcast

reply to G343
said by G343 :

the II's are starving and have nothing better to do. This is what they do to buy their cup noodles. I can't believe this is a headline. What has America become? Since when were people this cheap and degrading to steal a copper line.
Quite alot of overtime has been paid to techs to replace the countless cut and steals that happened over the years. For a crackhead, thats a nice chunk of change.


roamer1
sticking it out at you

join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
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reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd See Profile :

well i was think why not find a way to up the pole voltage and then reduce it at the NID. but then i remembered that this wouldnt stop copper thieves as well 50-90v isnt going to scare people who tempt fate and try to steal from the electric company.
Of course not. The 90v that rides cable hardline doesn't stop people from stealing cable amps, either...

-SC
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said to me: "it seems like all you ever buy is Abercrombie and cell phones"


Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..

reply to kruser
Here's another one for people... If you have aluminum siding and get it replaced with vinyl, for example, don't let the installers charge you for "disposal" of that siding. They sure as hell won't be taking it to a landfill ! They'll get paid by you to get rid of it and then they'll make a nice chunk of change at the scrap yard.

In fact, my brother-in-law had hail damage to his siding. The insurance company took his quotes for replacement, deducted approximately what the alum scrap would get, and cut a check for that amount ! Not sure if I agree with that or not...
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kruser
Premium
join:2002-06-01
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
·AT&T Southwest

reply to Hall
Someone stole the copper flashing off of my Aunt's home while they were home eating dinner!
They heard this horrible noise and by the time they came outside to see, the thieves were running down the street with sheets of copper trailing behind them.
And this was well over 30 years ago!

I know many contractors and home builders in my area and I can say that I hear a new copper theft story about once per week. Mostly copper plumbing ripped out of new or rehab construction.

At my work a thief stole over $20,000 worth of direct burial irrigation control wire.
Turned out he ws caught and also one of my night employees.
He had sold the wire for scrap and at that time received just over $5,000 for it as scrap.
This was about 1 year ago.
He is now behind bars


Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..

reply to G343
People stealing various metals has been quite common in the past few years. There's been articles in the newspaper of people taking aluminum siding off of abandoned houses and even worse, more than a few people have been killed trying to steal live electrical wiring. There's a old GM factory not far from my work that's had numerous small fires and it's believed to be from people who steal copper wiring and burn the insulation off.

Even with us, we're supposed to recycle plastics and aluminum, so that means we have (2) recycle bins. When I used to set it out in the alley for pickup, there were people who hit the alleys on those mornings and took the soda cans. I finally decided *I'll* save them for myself and turn them in. I've done it a few times but for a family of four, it takes a while to collect enough to make it worthwhile. The first time I held out the longest and actually got around $25... The next time it was less than $10. The price of aluminum had even went up when I went the 2nd time.
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G343

@verizon.net
reply to Kearnstd
the II's are starving and have nothing better to do. This is what they do to buy their cup noodles. I can't believe this is a headline. What has America become? Since when were people this cheap and degrading to steal a copper line.

Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

well i was think why not find a way to up the pole voltage and then reduce it at the NID. but then i remembered that this wouldnt stop copper thieves as well 50-90v isnt going to scare people who tempt fate and try to steal from the electric company.
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