Re: Unlimited... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17752592 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:53:01 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:53:01 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17885933 cubsfan : Making any limitations clear seems fair to me, too. Believe it or not, a lot of people who are hogging bandwidth have no idea they're doing it. They either don't understand the internet at all or don't know that their file sharing programs are also uploading material from them. As far as I'm concerned, a netequalizer type solution might not be a bad idea on a larger scale. Let people know that their music/movie/tvshow downloads will receive lower priority when the network is congested. In many cases, this will bring the issue to their attention for the first time and probably motivate them to be more conscious. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17885933 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:03:58 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17777039 CLEVELTECH :
Comcast did advertise their service as UNLIMITED

»web.archive.org/web/200106062157···t.asp?.=.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17777039 Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:22:55 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17771372 anon :
said by dadkins See Profile :

I pay for Speed and 24/7 Access. I get both!
I am not paying for terabytes of data transfers.
That would cost a hell of alot more than $52.95 per month!

Everything here works "As Advertised". Connection is always up, always fast when I need it, and I always have access to it.

THAT is Unlimited Access.
Stop ranting BS!!!! Most Comcast customers DO NOT receive speeds "As Advertised" i was formerly a happy adelphia hsi customer receiving over advertised 6/768 @ 6/840 and it was always as advertised... then came Comcast. It has been a horror show since they showed up. My speeds are between 1/640 - 3/640 not even near near advertised let alone what i was getting just a day before Comcast took over. So stop advertising your crappy comcast connection when most of the people who have/had comcast know its a crap/ripoff service :mad: .... (About the only time you'll receive good speed are like 1:00am - 10:00pm when everyone sleeping)and upload speed is always crap @640-740 kbps .... and on top of all this is there monthly cap -_- ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17771372 Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:56:26 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17764001 RadioDoc : Probably both are as idiotic as the other, as are those who continue to think they mean anything.

Glad to hear yours is going well and your provider knows what they are doing (as mine does).

How are your severs running on your cable connection, by the way?
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Funny though, that my DSL continues chugging along at 6016/768 24/7 without worry about clogged nodes, cable apologists, or the threat of a nastygram due to actual use of the service. I'll start believing people like fiberguy See Profile when the cable company he works for removes server prohibitions from their TOS/AUP.

I guess those "cable hog" commercials were right afterall...
Funny though, that my Cable connection continues chugging along at 9500+/950+ 24/7 without worry of distance limitations, slow speeds, or latency issues.

I guess those rabbit versus turtle commercials were right after all...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17763967 Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:23:00 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17757582 batterup :
said by kamm See Profile :

Business account has NOTHING to do with this. Stop spreading the corporate BS, please.
You porn addicted kids really don't expect me to pay for your bandwidth do you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17757582 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:56:36 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17757562 batterup :
said by koolman2 See Profile :

Sure!

»www.gci.com/forhome/promos/xtrem···asd7.htm
Unlimited use 2.0Mbps/1.5Mbps $499.99 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17757562 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:52:45 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17757152 kamm :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by Michieru2 See Profile :

Moron do you know what he could be transferring at all? It's idiots like you who jump to conclusions and create this hype bubble. Hell I probably use the same amount of bandwidth on simply downloading ISO's for my clients, damn updates or packages from respiratories. Hell I can't afford having tons of drives or CD's because then the crap is outdated a week later and I must re download burn and then transfer.

It's easier for me to simply download it to every machine.
Sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS acount then.
Business account has NOTHING to do with this. Stop spreading the corporate BS, please.
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said by Jafo232 See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Then you should get a pay for a BUSINESS service and not a residential one.
Maybe you should too? If you get one email about business, or one phone call through your VOIP phone from your job (if you have one), or have to do ANY business related surfing from home, then you should get a business account.

In fact, if anyone from work calls your POTS line, you should call your telephone company and demand you get a business account.

Now, if you would like to re-enter the world of reality, we are all here waiting for you.
Your points are not responsive to the main issue. You are RUNNING a BUSINESS thru your home internet connection. All the points you raise don't address that. Instead they go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what you are doing.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Then you should get a pay for a BUSINESS service and not a residential one.
Maybe you should too? If you get one email about business, or one phone call through your VOIP phone from your job (if you have one), or have to do ANY business related surfing from home, then you should get a business account.

In fact, if anyone from work calls your POTS line, you should call your telephone company and demand you get a business account.

Now, if you would like to re-enter the world of reality, we are all here waiting for you.
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said by FiL See Profile :

...

sounds like whenever someones asked "why are you downloading so much" the automatic response is: updates/backups/college finals papers and excell spreads...lol

which sounds funny, pirate!

Not saying anythings wrong with that, but grow some ****'s why dont ya!
Sheesh, you do realize not everyone uses their PC to jerk off to right?

If I performed all the backups that I am supposed to, I could easily burn through 200 GB in a month. I run a very small hosting service that I administer remotely. I try to backup everyones site once a week (I also give them an option to do it themselves daily). If I had my own datacenter, I would do it daily. When I download the backups, it is about 25 GB's each time.

My Xbox 360 alone downloads about 25 GB a month. Each movie downloaded in HD (from Xbox Live) is about 4.7 GB and many of the game demo's are between 1 and 2 GB. This doesn't even take into account all the bandwidth used during online game play.

Take into account all the other downloading involved in just general surfing, and web development, 200 GB's is easily attainable for myself without even seeing one money shot.

So basically your assumption that anyone using as much bandwidth as I and others do makes them pirates is not only stupid, it is not backed up by anything other than your unsatisfied libido.
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

the truth is most people don't care as they are not affected by this..
Then there is no downside to specifying, in the advertising, in a typeface you don't need a magnifying glass to read:

"Use of the service is subject to data transfer limits and if you exceed those limits your access will be curtailed or terminated without notice."

I mean, if nobody cares and they won't be affected, why not come clean up front?
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Comcast will never clearly state anything because if they do that they can't compete LOL they can't justify getting signed up for 33 a month no installation fee (bullshit they sneak it in hoping you won't notice) then they tell you 33.00 a month but forget to remind you that is for 6 months even though ad says 1 year, then it goes up to 49.99 a month of course then all you have to do is say, I saw a verizon special better or something then you get 33.00 again for 6 months]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17755394 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:11:07 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17755384 CLEVELTECH : And this is from a Comcast Employee

Subject: comcast employee
Message:
hello,

I, according to comcast, am still an employee on administrative leave with pay, we with an IQ above 10 know this means till we can print your final check.

You have probably seen I have responded to some of the idiots that have attacked you. They really do brainwash the empployees but the most important thing, is they intimidate them. Those employees who are defending comcast to you in a public forum could get fired just for defending them if you can believe that LOL!

I was fired because i believe customers complaints to much. Comcast motto (this is an undeclared motto it is a motto only taught to employees) Customer is always lying and trying to get something for free. When in fact it is actually Comcast that is trying to get money for nothing. when a persons service has not been working properly, we don't offer a credit unless they ask! Comcast has no problem taking your money, if you are willing to pay it, even when service doesn't work.

Here is a story that will make you laugh your as off. Dec 14th we had one of the worst wind and rain storms ever in washington sate seattle area. over 1,000,000 people without power, cable, and phone. we were not allowed to go fix cable lines until power put theres up first. we sent out a press release saying all installs and disconnects were put on hold until every comcast customer was restored. So a lady calls in and says, my cable and power is down a tree fell on my roof and knockedthe cables down. we told her we could not come fix her cable line till her power lines were fixed. she understood. well she was unaware and the comcast employee did not tell her she was over due on her bill. well when an account hits 82 days past due you are interupted in service. if it goes 92 days you are diconnected from the pole. well on the 16th r 17th of dec she became 92 days. and all those techs that were supposed to be restoring services, one of them didn't get the memo the sent a tech out to disconnect her even though she had no service any way and still no electricity. alot of people were without both for 2 weeks. so he went out the lady saw him climbing the pole and said, you should stay away from there they haven't fixed my power yet. the guy told the lady to mind her business he is going to shut her cable off as he was ordered to. He hooked or bumped something caused a power surge to go into the ladys house it blew up her microwave, and caught her refridgerator on fire and he got zapped! All over comcast greed. If they had been doing what they told the press they were doing restoring outages with every available man this would not have happened.

so anyway, I am not sure what the band limit is but I also know that their "unlimited Long Distance" is not unlimited either. I work in collections and we were calling people all the time telling them to lower usage or we would have to charge them business rates? It just doesn't make sense. If they cal another country if they get say 150.00 in long distance say in a 2 week period they shut them off till they pay it b4 they turn long distance back on. no matter how long customer is with us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17755384 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:07:14 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17755320 RadioDoc : It's a high-gain microwave antenna, when home made usually consists of a Pringles can.

»www.cantenna.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17755320 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:01:07 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17755235 quatrix : "I cant count how many I download. If its good. I got it! The stuff comes out in almost dvd quality and for free. Why would I want to drive my lazy ass across town to go spend $20+ to see a movie. I would be a very poor man if I paid for all the movies I downloaded. shesh."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17755235 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:23:01 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754793 Loker :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

Gee... and where have we all heard that before, 200 times... oh yea! YOU!

The people had the ability to set standards and prices for that system? HAH! Phone, my friend, has a HORRIBLE and INFAMOUS reputation for screwing the people.. FAR worse that what people think cable does... not to mention, cable isn't a utility like phone is.

This person doesn't "bitch" about phone... except celebrates the end of it's tight grip on this nation. If it weren't for cable, telephone would still be sticking it to the people.
Exactly, we jumped off Verizon the minute we could and have never looked back....
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That would be like if a rental car company told me I had unlimited "use" of the car, but then after a certain number of miles the car wouldn't start. I can open the door and get in but not drive, and most people don't consider "using" a car to be just sitting in it doing nothing! Just like "using" a car means driving, to any reasonable person you're not accessing the internet if you can open the browser but nothing appears.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754207 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:48:29 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754336 CLEVELTECH : To respond to your comment, I NEVER once walked away hurt AND I was not looking for sympathy either. I am warning people. People like you don't listen.And the thing that gets me is WHY? MY guess is that you are employed by providers like Comcast and that's why you take on the gang-up and bully approach to people like me.

Let me remind YOU that I was LIED to by Comcast, Alright? They advertised their service as Unlimited. I don't care what you have to say. They advertised it and that's it. That is why I got it. I NEVER had a problem with Cox Communications that is when I lived in RI. When I got promoted to my new job in Massachusetts, I shopped around and the two choices were Comcast and Verizon. I called up Comcast first and I questioned the Rep and asked about any bandwidth caps Or limits and I clearly stated to the rep that I heard about this and she again told me that there are NO LIMITS on the connection. And 7 months later, I get a phone call from an 857 area code from a Comcast abuse department rep threatening me to limit my downloads other wise I'd be cut off for a year. He wouldn't tell me WHAT those limits are AND went further (and all this time he was very rude and condescending towards me) in lying telling me that there are no limits. I then said to him I'd be wiling to pay for more bandwidth and a higher service which I later found out that it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever. I called back the Comcast office and I told them of this rude rep and I did not appreciate getting threatened like this ESPECIALLY since I am a PAYING customer. Fine that the service has limits, WHAT ARE THEY?
Let me explain something to all of you high and mighty Comcast-loving employees who bully anybody for speaking out against any monopoly that rips off people and what they advertise is never what they deliver: All it takes is one guy to speak out, spread the word and it spreads like wildfire.
Now why is it that an ISP like Cox and better yet Verizon can control the traffic and do it well but Comcast on the other hand can't and won't, would rather take this cheap bully type tactic? If it's true that they have made record profits, then why aren't they adding the technologies to better control the traffic on the network? The technology is available. I should know, I'm heading into the IT tech field.
Just to let you also know, Comcast can't provide good phone service either. They actually call people up threatening to cut their service if they don't "limit" their phone use either. I got this info from the inside from a Comcast employee.

I am not looking nor want your pity or sympathy, I'm here to warn people. And all of you high and holier-than-thow Comcast supporters you should warn people and tell them the truth that providers like Comcast have a limited service, and in many cases their network can't handle people that use the internet a lot. It is your responsibilty and duty instead of bullying and throwing stones at guys like me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754336 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:47:53 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754271 anon : I'm not sure. Most people who use the internet, non-technical people who don't really know how it works, probably would think so and it doesn't mean they're stupid. They sign up for broadband access like they would for phone services.

Now if you have a cell phone plan that has unlimited use, then it doesn't count your minutes so you could talk on it all the time if you wanted to with no additional charge. I can see how people signing up for "unlimited" broadband would think the same way. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754271 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:38:56 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754101 anon : Just wondering, what's a "cantenna"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754101 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:36:54 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754226 anon : Sounds like if they actually do have to "throttle" a user's access, they probably aren't building/maintaining their network properly in the first place. It just seems to be common sense if you have a certain number of users, you should be able to handle the load.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754226 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:32:06 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754220 MadMANN :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Most(if not all) ISPs advertise - Unlimited Internet Access, not Unlimited use.

In other words, you can be connected to the network forever if you wish, not download the planet.

Can anyone show me where it says, on *ANY* ad, where an ISP states Unlimited data transfers for residential services?

I have nothing to ever worry about myself, I don't light up a newsreader and try to download everything in alt.binaries.dvd. LOL!

Of course, YMMV,
If I remember right, it was AOL dialup who started charging per hour back in the day. That is what sparked competing ISPs to start advertising "unlimited" internet access, meaning unlimited TIME. Somehow, people re-translated that into "unlimited amounts".

Now that broadband is commonplace and people can download at very quick speeds, the term "unlimited" needs to be redefined. I don't think there is even a dialup ISP that charges per hour anymore that I know of.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754220 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:30:45 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754157 anon : Digital packets aren't the same as a physical commodity like soda. The problem is politicans and regulators now consider telcos as such, as traditional free market companies, when really internet access should be a utility. If it isn't unlimited, they shouldn't advertise it as such.

That would be like if I had an unlimited long-distance phone service, but then because I was using it too much (in the opinion of someone at the company), they decided to limit the areas I could call to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17754157 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:28:49 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17753984 Mordhem : Same here! :) lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17753984 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:00:56 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17753597 novaflare :
said by Obliteration See Profile :

said by FiL See Profile :

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sounds like whenever someones asked "why are you downloading so much" the automatic response is: updates/backups/college finals papers and excell spreads...lol

which sounds funny, pirate!

Not saying anythings wrong with that, but grow some ****'s why dont ya!
Any moron knows that college papers and excel sheets won't ever get past 2GB in a month no matter how big of a load you have.

Hell, HD porn takes up a lot of space. You can do 20+ gigs on that be it legal. PLENTY of things out there to download.

You claiming others are pirates is beyond hilarious, can you prove it? I can find you many things you can download over the Internet and gets gigs a month. You don't know what that file is or isn't so just keep your mouth shut.
Hell i can hit 200 gigs a month just beta testing a few games. I had my upload to like 30 gigs before. Pretty funny when TWC called and alerted me to a masive increase in up stream useage. They were worried that i might have been turned in to a pirated software dump. What happened was was hosting a 1 gig beta client download for a game and 2 40 meg updates heh. That month 3 games I was beta testing. Had 1 gig or so client updates and each had over 400 megs of updates. I was testign on at the time 3 computers. Now one had 3 full client downloads over the corse of a month 1 had 1 and the other had 2.

Because of how serious a beta tester i am i tend to do alot of driver updates windows reinstalls and apply various service packs and other large updates and try to pin down the cause of a bug.

Like you said it is not hard to hit that sort of useage legally. Was my hosting of the 1 gig client against my tos not really all my toss said was no "public" "web" servers. My server was a web server yes but it was not serving any web content. It also was not a public server as the beta test was a closed non public beta/alpha. At that time there were less than 500 testers total who worked in 3 time periods essentially shifts. group 1 could only log in between 7 am and 4 pm secound shift started at 4 to 1 am last went from 1 am to 7 am. I only served to shift 1.
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said by FiL See Profile :

...

sounds like whenever someones asked "why are you downloading so much" the automatic response is: updates/backups/college finals papers and excell spreads...lol

which sounds funny, pirate!

Not saying anythings wrong with that, but grow some ****'s why dont ya!
Any moron knows that college papers and excel sheets won't ever get past 2GB in a month no matter how big of a load you have.

Hell, HD porn takes up a lot of space. You can do 20+ gigs on that be it legal. PLENTY of things out there to download.

You claiming others are pirates is beyond hilarious, can you prove it? I can find you many things you can download over the Internet and gets gigs a month. You don't know what that file is or isn't so just keep your mouth shut.
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said by axus See Profile :

Yeah, a better analogy would be the Department of Transportation limiting the number of miles you can drive in a month, because when people drive too much they have to build more roads and there's a lot of traffic.

People put up with traffic, speed limits, and state taxes, but we're not going to accept road mileage limits. What ISPs should do is continue upgrading at the pace their revenue can afford, and let people be limited by the heavy traffic.
The more miles one drives the more gas one uses and the more tax one pays. One pays for every mile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17753310 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:15:17 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17753038 DaMaGeINC :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by Loker See Profile :

sometimes my bandwidth usage can get excessive (I think I was over 200 GB's one month) and I have yet to have any issues with Comcast....
Man you steal a lot of stuff.
I sure do? guna call me a stealer too? Please stop ur everyone's a theif crap. No one cares what you think of them.
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The people had the ability to set standards and prices for that system? HAH! Phone, my friend, has a HORRIBLE and INFAMOUS reputation for screwing the people.. FAR worse that what people think cable does... not to mention, cable isn't a utility like phone is.

This person doesn't "bitch" about phone... except celebrates the end of it's tight grip on this nation. If it weren't for cable, telephone would still be sticking it to the people.
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

Throttling the users account would be, in my opinion, fair!
That is what these folks think...

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sounds like whenever someones asked "why are you downloading so much" the automatic response is: updates/backups/college finals papers and excell spreads...lol

which sounds funny, pirate!

Not saying anythings wrong with that, but grow some ****'s why dont ya!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752637 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:22:33 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752619 axus : Yeah, a better analogy would be the Department of Transportation limiting the number of miles you can drive in a month, because when people drive too much they have to build more roads and there's a lot of traffic.

People put up with traffic, speed limits, and state taxes, but we're not going to accept road mileage limits. What ISPs should do is continue upgrading at the pace their revenue can afford, and let people be limited by the heavy traffic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752619 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:19:14 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752592 axus : Sounds like you shouldn't be so upset that he's getting a good deal from his internet provider]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752592 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:15:04 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752555 dadkins :
said by AnonProxy See Profile :

Absolutely not for this discussion.

The common vernacular of "Internet Access" means that there is the ability to access the Internet for use.
Use and abuse have two very different meanings.
Since it is Comcast's(or whomever's) network, and you & I agreed to the TOS/AUP, we have to accept whatever they say!

*WE* are free to terminate our services at any time and look for another provider.

I have nothing to worry about.
Do you?
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Usable, not ABUSABLE.

If anyone has the need to download multi-hundred GBs of data, get something other than a residential service.

Unlimited *ACCESS* means - unlimited access to the service, not unlimited data transfers.

It doesn't matter what you or I interpret what it means, it's THEIR network!

If they say no more, you get no more!
If you agreed to this, then you are SOL!

Since I have never gone over 40GB per month, I can reasonably rest assured that I will never get a call.

Go ahead and do whatever you wish, I'll see you in Rants and Raves! ;)
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I guess those "cable hog" commercials were right afterall...
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Cable companies (while often do,) try not to piss off their customers. Lost customers = Lost Revenue

Cable companies will try not suspend your service which you equate to capping. Capping is "reducing capacity" for you to abuse the infrastructure and hinder other people's service. While before you could download at 10 megabits per second, they throttle you to half a megabit. This is not "denying you access", it's forcefully modifying your behavior in such a way that other paying customers are not affected.

Each Cable company does it differently, some will send you a warning letter saying you have been marked as using exceedingly large amounts of data. Others will throttle you as a warning. Eventually if you are considered as a repeat offender they cut you off. In the end Cable is not a right, it's not written into the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, it's a product you buy just like buying a happy meal at McDonalds, it's a business that must be profitable for it to be around.

As an excersize, locate a local place that allows you to refill your soda for free when you buy it at the place. Bring a large container with you and fill it up with your free soda and see how fast you get thrown out for abusing something you paid for.
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said by Michieru2 See Profile :

Moron do you know what he could be transferring at all? It's idiots like you who jump to conclusions and create this hype bubble. Hell I probably use the same amount of bandwidth on simply downloading ISO's for my clients, damn updates or packages from respiratories. Hell I can't afford having tons of drives or CD's because then the crap is outdated a week later and I must re download burn and then transfer.

It's easier for me to simply download it to every machine.
Sounds like you should be using a BUSINESS acount then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752304 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:34:34 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752229 AnonProxy : Absolutely not for this discussion.

The common vernacular of "Internet Access" means that there is the ability to access the Internet for use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752229 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:22:00 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752211 AnonProxy : Access is a usable pipe, if they cap you at 10 GB of download a month...and then you can't access the Internet or e-mail. because you can no longer download anything, the pipe is not usable....that is not unlimited ACCESS, that's not even decent access.

By your definition, as long as they are giving you IP and you can't even go anywhere, that's proof of unlimited access.

And more so at least drop the straw man drama.
No one said I'm downloading or uploading or doing anything of the sort at the max capacity...I am offering an example, but as you seem to need to make it inflametory I will give you a simple example.

Let's say I have a business account, I have "unlimited INTERNET ACCESS" (as it is sold. I also have an web based offsite back up of my local business data. Every day I pump out about 300MB of data at 1am or so to my back up service...(I have a decent connection, 10/5)...so I do my thing, we do work every day run the office though the day use the Internet...then on day 16 or so no Internet...because why? I suddenly find out I have a total cap of 9 GB of data on my "UNLIMITED INTERNET ACCESS"

Short version, just tell people what they have, not make up some marketing term to complete.

If a rental car company said you had unlimited miles then charged you for ever mile after 300...they would end up in court by the AG of the state(s) they run in.

Unlimited means unlimited.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752211 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:18:03 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752137 AnonProxy : There are two issues,

1. Pure caps...meaning that at x GB of data you are shut off for the month. That's not speed, that's a cap and that is NOT unlimited.

2. Throttling...certainly an issue but not the same as a cap.
To that end cutting speed from your pure maximum speed is an ACCESS issue...to that end if I pay for 10MB down, it's not unlimited but it is advertised a price for a speed, they should not cut my speed based on what I download.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752137 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:07:37 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752119 batterup :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

You are buying a service at the companies terms. It's not a socialist issue. We do not have a right to TELL them what to do.
There was a time, not that long ago, when America had the best communication system in the world. That system was available to all. The people at that time had the ability to set standards and prices for that system.

Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752119 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:04:59 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17752088 fiberguy :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

I think a lot fewer people would have problems with the limited "unlimited" service if ISPs openly advertised their caps and explained their processes for throttling. ...
the truth is most people don't care as they are not affected by this.. so, WHO are those PEOPLE that would feel better with knowing the caps? Heavy duty and over the top users which is not considered typical residential use.

Again, most consumers simply don't care and are not affected by this in the first place.

Even if you gave people the ability to pay for cap overages, you'd still have a network degrading problem. The ONLY thing that I personally see as a solution is to throttle their speeds back to what most residential people really need to average use.. a 512k or 768K line for the remainder of the month. Throttling the users account would be, in my opinion, fair!

With throttling, they can't clog the node any more, yet they can still run full open without affecting the node, and still, websites, email, mp3 downloads, are generally not affected. If they STILL complain about that? If they complain that it's hurting them and they need to run their modems full open 24/7 and download gobs of data, then it simply proves they are not using the service with in the terms it was designed.

One other thing that people need to remember, and understand, it's a good thing to get back to is this.. Advertising and Terms of services are two different things. An advertisement is meant to attract the consumer.. the TOS is what you are selling. People want to confuse the ad with the contract.. Rent a U-Haul truck based on the ad alone and not read what you are agreeing to. Down the road when you have a problem, you and your attorney can work together to minimize your damages. (I will agree that the ad should be honest, but no where in the ads are they selling unlimited transfer)
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But, people like you also have a problem.. a very common problem. Though the market place allows people to voice their desires with the pocket books, the problem is that some people get it backwards. You are buying a service at the companies terms. It's not a socialist issue. We do not have a right to TELL them what to do. We have a right to voice our desires and exercise the right to NOT use the service.. but this notion that we have the right to dictate a companies' business practice is absurd. This is a common misconception here on BBR. You have choices... to use, or not to use. What you don't have is the right to set and order satisfaction, faster speeds, customer rights, or performance other than what is being sold.

NO wire or wireless system is perfect. This is not to say that they don't have an obligation to move on issues, but the unreasonable expectations that people expect is a joke. If a node has a sudden surge in use, you can't expect that it will get corrected in 4 hours or the day, even the next week! Cell towers over load from time to time but they don't , and they shouldn't, jump on it just because. That tower may not be over loaded tomorrow. The node that is over loaded may in fact be over loaded because you have someone or some people pushing their modems to the max which is clearly not considered typical residential use. The day it becomes TYPICAL is when everyone is doing it. THEN it's typical!

As to your driving and speed limits.. we also have minimum and maximum speeds.. and in some areas they expect slower drivers to the right in order to keep their roads flowing smoothly.. some traffic needs to go faster while other traffic doesn't. Hmmm.. now where have I heard that one before? NN anyone?

You can't have it 30 ways, as you appear to have... following your posts, it's VERY hard to follow what exactly your point ever is... you have so many! I personally think you are one of those paid people that you point the finger at others for being so often.
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said by batterup See Profile :

The Cable Companies can't tell you the bandwidth limit as it depends on how over sold the node you are on is.
I agree. However, not all nodes are over sold when it starts.. it's not the airline, so please stop talking about it like it is. Node splits do happen.

The Cable Companies also have apologist in every forum to protect their less then honest practices.
Prove it! The way YOU speak about things, one can EASILY finger you in a similar tone. So, unless you want stones thrown at you, you should really posting in a forum like a 5 year old. The "xxx company has apologists in every forum" is simply a line to post when you have nothing intelligent to say. Just shows the lack of knowledge of a subject you posses.
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said by Loker See Profile :

also your driving the speed limit will not degrade other peoples use of the public road system....
Driving above the speed limit degrades the ability of others to use the road that is why we have speed limits. The reason Cable Companies will not post a limit is because it varies by node and time of day. If they set a limit today tomorrow the node may not be able to handle it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751485 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:22:08 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751437 Loker :
said by batterup See Profile :

said by Loker See Profile :

I agree with fiberguy.....Another problem with setting a cap is that many users will go right up to that cap every month and stop just before they cross the threshold....
So we should not post speed limits on highways as people will travel at that speed?
I think it is pretty clear that is something entirely different....the government does not have to pay someone for how much you drive like ISP's have to pay for how much bandwidth you use....also your driving the speed limit will not degrade other peoples use of the public road system....
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said by Loker See Profile :

I agree with fiberguy.....Another problem with setting a cap is that many users will go right up to that cap every month and stop just before they cross the threshold....
So we should not post speed limits on highways as people will travel at that speed?

Verizon has no problem stating 5Gig a month is the limit for digital cell use. Secret limits are the practice of Cable Companies as it varies by node.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751408 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:09:42 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751379 dvd536 :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Most(if not all) ISPs advertise - Unlimited Internet Access, not Unlimited use.

In other words, you can be connected to the network forever if you wish, not download the planet.

Can anyone show me where it says, on *ANY* ad, where an ISP states Unlimited data transfers for residential services?

I have nothing to ever worry about myself, I don't light up a newsreader and try to download everything in alt.binaries.dvd. LOL!

Of course, YMMV,
Thats because you already have everything thats on alt.binaries.dvd :D
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said by openbox9 See Profile :

I think a lot fewer people would have problems with the limited "unlimited" service if ISPs openly advertised their caps and explained their processes for throttling. The unscrupulous act of allowing customers to believe the facade of unlimited access data transfer and then smacking them down with caps and/or throttling tends to leave really bad tastes in consumers' mouths. Personally, I'm all for a 100/100 connection to the Internet if I know that I can download whatever and however much as I want up to a predefined and advertised cap (e.g. 50GB/mth, 100GB/mth, etc.). If I go over the cap, throttle me, disconnect me, or charge me more as long as I know in advance. Hell, bill me at the 95th percentile that most ISPs themselves are billed at.
There are no caps as some areas may have a lot of room for users to download big files and other ones where are to meny users and thay will slow down other if they down load at the full spped of the link all the time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751354 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:01:12 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751245 batterup : The Cable Companies can't tell you the bandwidth limit as it depends on how over sold the node you are on is.

The Cable Companies also have apologist in every forum to protect their less then honest practices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751245 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:44:43 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17751188 TKJunkMail :
said by dadkins See Profile :

In other words, you can be connected to the network forever if you wish, not download the planet.
Very sensible read on the reality. Unfortunately, there are plenty of idiots on the internet that think because they have a fast connection, that gives them "THE RIGHT UNDER GOD AND THE LAW" to download full speed 24x7 even though they will never in a lifetime be able to read, watch, or listen to all they have downloaded. Even when the TOS says they do not have that right. Of course, these morons never read the TOS, so they claim ignorance as the excuse to do as they please. Then they are shocked and indignant when the ISP cuts them off.
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You want to de-evolve? You WANT to go to a metered service JUST so you can know a limit? That's rubbish!

People who consume a lot of bandwidth know it. Not only do they know it, they often then brag about it and then follow it up by "but they told me it was unlimited.."

The system, the way it is, works like this (with cable that is) .. they look at the performance of a node. They see that if it slows down, they first look to why it slows down. If the use is normal and it's just people are using it and clogging up the node, then they have to look into a node split. Second, if it's a hog causing the bottlenecks, they eliminate the hog. And then when the hog is cut off and tries to play the game in return, they wind up walking away butt hurt like this guy...

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL_IrjQoLK0


(a guy that came here looking for sympathy a little bit ago)

People read what they want and walk away from something with what is convenient for them even when the answers are right in front of them. No where does it say "come eat all the data you can!" It is advertised to make things faster.. get things done quicker.. stuff like that. "Download music in an instant.." not "turn your computer on and have it download music non-stop".. that's where the "typical residential use" terms come in. But, those who choose to ignore that very important line, will.

So, to make broadband metered JUST to make those who like to be heavy user feel better about what they do, I'm very much against it.

The service is for residential use, period. Cable TV in general has always revolved around residential use. So long as DSL is out there, those heavy users can take the slower DSL option. If DSL isn't available, then well...? play by the rules of the provider. There is nothing out there that says 'please use the service as you want, it's your right!' .. because it's not.

And for the record, you say "they should just get rid of the word UNLIMITED".... got news for you... you have to go YEARS back to see that word.
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That's access to Comcast's network.

I'm not using it until I hit "Post Now!" for this post, or go to a server somwhere and start a download or upload.

All of my various meters indicate that I am not "using" any bandwidth.
But, one of the indicators informs me that I am connected none the less.

Access and use is two totally different aspects of one's internet connection.
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trust me it is easy to get up there fast through legitimate means.... that said I do not think my average month ever breaks 100 GB's....
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It's easier for me to simply download it to every machine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750838 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:39:18 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750636 Stumbles : I have to agree. To me unlimited access implies unlimited use. If you have limited access, then you would have limited use.

I think to segregate access and use is an insult to peoples intelligence.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750636 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:09:54 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750598 BF69 :
said by Loker See Profile :

sometimes my bandwidth usage can get excessive (I think I was over 200 GB's one month) and I have yet to have any issues with Comcast....
Man you steal a lot of stuff.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750598 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:03:45 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750552 openbox9 : I think a lot fewer people would have problems with the limited "unlimited" service if ISPs openly advertised their caps and explained their processes for throttling. The unscrupulous act of allowing customers to believe the facade of unlimited access data transfer and then smacking them down with caps and/or throttling tends to leave really bad tastes in consumers' mouths. Personally, I'm all for a 100/100 connection to the Internet if I know that I can download whatever and however much as I want up to a predefined and advertised cap (e.g. 50GB/mth, 100GB/mth, etc.). If I go over the cap, throttle me, disconnect me, or charge me more as long as I know in advance. Hell, bill me at the 95th percentile that most ISPs themselves are billed at.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750552 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:57:28 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750510 dadkins : I'm connected ATM, I have been connected for nearly 4 years(barring computer restarts).

To me, that is Unlimited *ACCESS*.

I don't download every single file I see... there's no point in it!
Unlimited Use is just that, lighting up mega-downloads and running 24/7.
No one advertises that, sure as hell not Comcast!

Email?
If you are sending out email at a constant 384-768k(2mbps?), I sure as shit hope they terminate you!
I hate spammers!

If you are downloading hundreds of GB per month, then you are likely degrading the network for everyone.
I hope they actually cut your coax! Sorry!

I pay for Speed and 24/7 Access. I get both!
I am not paying for terabytes of data transfers.
That would cost a hell of alot more than $52.95 per month!

Everything here works "As Advertised". Connection is always up, always fast when I need it, and I always have access to it.

THAT is Unlimited Access.
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said by AnonProxy See Profile :

I would disagree, unlimited access is unlimited use. If you cap someones ability to download you are effectively stopping their use of the Internet.
Actually, I'll disagree with your disagreement. Nobody is stopping your ability to download/upload content. They are simply reducing your ability to do so by creating a virtual "speed limit".

Perhaps a poor analogy, but I will try anyway. You buy a german sports car. The car itself has an electronic limiter preventing you from going over 130 mph even though if the limiter is removed you can go 150mph. Nobody complains about that. Similarly, the whole speed limit thing. Posted speed limit is 55mph around me, yet people go 70 and don't get pulled over. Some people choose to push their limits and go 80 and they DO get pulled over. Internet companies are really no different, they don't say "you can download 30 gigs a month...and we'll really let you slide at 40..but once you hit 50 we shut off your internet" they say you have unlimited access (which is true) and they try to throttle people who are significantly out of the bell curve.
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How can one use the Internet if you can't "download" a web page. The page is viewed on your PC but much of the content id downloaded to your PC in the form of temp files, graphics, and all the neat little html junk.

How can one transfer e-mail if one can not download or upload the mail file?
Really they should just get rid of the word unlimited...it is a throw back to the days when you paid for hours in the old AOL dial up sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750072 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:36:48 EDT Re: Unlimited... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17750060 Loker : sometimes my bandwidth usage can get excessive (I think I was over 200 GB's one month) and I have yet to have any issues with Comcast....
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In other words, you can be connected to the network forever if you wish, not download the planet.

Can anyone show me where it says, on *ANY* ad, where an ISP states Unlimited data transfers for residential services?

I have nothing to ever worry about myself, I don't light up a newsreader and try to download everything in alt.binaries.dvd. LOL!

Of course, YMMV,
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