Titus Pullo
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join:2004-06-26
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Re: Good luck....if this is true.
School systems don't exist in a vacuum, and they're not some form of solitary ecosystem. At best our primary education system is a reflection of the society it serves, no more or no less. The boards may be corrupt, but that didn't happen overnight: we have a new generation of employees, both administrators and teachers, that now come from a dysfunctional generation. Add gender issues, open sexuality, and a sex sells media, and these stories will soon be commonplace. Our school system began going to hell full-force in the 80s.
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| Having graduated HS in 82, I consider myself a product of 70s public education. In my opinion, it went down hill in the 70s and continued in the 80s.
I have three kids and from personal experience, today's public education is better than my education. My kids are learning skills about three years ahead of when I learned them.
Even though I believe the academics are better, some things are worse. It's unfortunate that today's public schools believe they have to teach kids sex, green issues and health. Just the other day my wife sent a cereal bar with my older boys and the teacher would not let them eat it because it was not nutritious. That's B.S. I can understand putting boundaries with respect to sugar content (might lead to behavior issues) and a "mess factor" (don't want something that makes a huge mess in the classroom) but nutrition? I think that's ridiculous and they should spend their time worrying about a lot more important things. Granted, Americans have a weight problem but my oldest boy is in the 10th percentile for weight and my middle boy is in the 25th percentile for weight.
Why do today's schools believe they are format for social engineering? It reminds of "right of first night" from the Middle Ages. If they won't conform, we'll breed it out of them. In this case, we'll teach it out of them. |
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Titus Pullo
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| Good points all, but public education is a relative experience both geographically and socioeconomically ... in my opinion, of course  and there's always exception to any rule. From the perspective of an instructor, some systems nose dived a good twenty-five to thirty years ago, so we're close enough.
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Mchart
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The reason sex education exsists is because some parents refuse to tell their kids how those things work. Then said kids go and have sex, and have a kid. Gee, I wonder why. If you don't like sex education you can opt your kid out. However, I hope you dont keep your kid in the dark, or you may end up with a kid who has a kid at the age of 14.
"Why do today's schools believe they are format for social engineering? It reminds of "right of first night" from the Middle Ages. If they won't conform, we'll breed it out of them. In this case, we'll teach it out of them."
I guess you didn't goto school anytime before the 60's. If you did, you would realize that that statement applied more back then, then it does now. |
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mccarltone
join:2002-05-07
Reading, PA
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Unfortunately us teachers have to watch what kids bring in to school to eat because there are many parents that do not. Also certain states are holding schools to certain nutritional standards as well and it is the teacher's duty to make sure that they are being met. It's unfortunate that when I ask some of my students (3rd & 4th graders) what they have for breakfast the common reply is "pop tarts", "a slice of cake" or some other sugar filled product.
It stinks that things are the way they are but you can thank lawsuit happy parents and "No Child Left Behind" for some of the mess we are in. |
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rradina
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said by Mchart  :The reason sex education exists is because some parents refuse to tell their kids how those things work. Then said kids go and have sex, and have a kid. Gee, I wonder why. If you don't like sex education you can opt your kid out. However, I hope you dont keep your kid in the dark, or you may end up with a kid who has a kid at the age of 14. I guess you didn't goto school anytime before the 60's. If you did, you would realize that that statement applied more back then, then it does now. We've already had to have the birds and bees talk with our 10 year old (5th grade). I think that's too young but we overheard him making statements to our 8 year old about the subject that were completely wrong. We know he did not get them from TV because we do not allow him to watch even PG shows without us. We assumed he received it from class mates and rather than have him running around with incorrect information, we laid down the truth about his genitals, the Easter bunny and Santa. It was surprising how wrong his sex knowledge was.
Regarding going to school in the 60s -- no, I'm not quite that old. I was in Kindergarten in '69 but the only thing I remember is some of the kids getting spanked by Mrs. Smith -- which of course is not allowed today. |
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rradina
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said by mccarltone :Also certain states are holding schools to certain nutritional standards as well and it is the teacher's duty to make sure that they are being met. I thought this was with respect to the lunch program. If the school doesn't have vending machines and the school lunch program meets the guidelines, I cannot believe that the teacher/school is accountable for what the child brings from home. |
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Mchart
Tech Control
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Gurnee, IL
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You assumed right, he most likely did receive it from class mates who probally don't watch only PG content daily, and see a myriad of advertisements promoting all sorts of behavior. Yet for some reason you decide to point the finger at the teacher. Lots of people like pointing the finger at the teacher, its easier then dealing with your own kid. |
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DreamWraith
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| I am sorry, but where exactly did he point the finger at the teacher? The only "pointing of the finger" that happened was in his first post, where he stated that the teacher did not allow his child to consume said cereal bar.
Thats hardly "pointing a finger", thats merely recounting an event.
And as you said yourself, he "assumed right". The child "most likely did receive it from class mates".
So again, where is he "pointing the finger at the teacher"? |
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DreamWraith
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join:2004-04-07
Mount Vernon, WA
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They aren't, and that the above poster would suggest that they are is pure FUD. The most a teacher can do in such a situation, if the teacher had some thought that the parent was causing serious health problems because of the lunch the child was eating, is report it to the local social services. |
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KA9YHD
join:2000-08-16
Round Lake, IL
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I remember being in 6th grade back in the 70's when a teacher said to the class "If you see your little brother playing with himself, do you think it is ok? It's ok he is only exploring"
The schools have been going downhill for a long time. Because there are educators not teaching, but preaching and indoctrinating the students from their political soapboxes
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Private means exactly that - PRIVATE.
Yes that is correct, but there are people on the "left" that want to shove their sexual preferences in your face every day and cry out to the world "look at me I am gay"
Remember when Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet and announced to the world that she is gay for a whole week on her tv show to the point that Elton John made a comment "give it a rest already" |
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winky
Turn Left At The Moon
join:2001-02-11
Saint Louis, MO
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"today's public schools believe they have to teach..." Not only do they believe it but because they accept federal money they have too. My wife was looking through a box of markers today and mentioned that she needed some Multicultural Markers. I just gave her a puzzled look as she explained that they were colors for drawing different races of people. I told her to make sure she picked up an Scottish one just for me. (is Asian a color?)You are probably aware of the politically correct wording of federal mandates concerning curriculum, social atmosphere, and what the government thinks should be added to the general programs of any school in order to produce better citizens. Required minimums for technology, nutrition, drug programs, social awareness, and the like are easily recognizable on the surface as good things but will often contain aspects that a local community will disagree with. The public at large complains about obesity(nutritional awareness), academic standing with other countries (no child left behind and standardized testing), illegal drugs(DARE program), poor individual performance (gifted programs remedial programs, behavior programs, inclusion programs), and bingo, you get a federal mandate. It's getting to the point (has been for a long time) that the average kid is just along for the ride. My wife mentioned the other day that the school where she teaches is known as dumping ground (I'm sure there's a better term) for behavior disorders, english as second language kids, and handicapped children with attendants who just hang out in the classroom. If the parents of average kids knew the type and amount of time spent dealing with the problems these others create, it would be nothing short of armed insurrection. Swinging around to the original topic, the district where I live pays out the a** for techs considering their performance and what they do. It's a frickin joke. The kids used to come home from school and at least several times a week delight in telling me new work arounds for the web filters and denied directories in place at school. It's my sincere wish that this teacher gets off scott free and is awarded a rump load of compensatory damages. It's obvious to me that a lawyer with an average IT guy with decent experience for an expert witness could put this district and it's self absorbed school board out of it's misery. |
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Willard
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said by Mchart :You assumed right, he most likely did receive it from class mates who probally don't watch only PG content daily, and see a myriad of advertisements promoting all sorts of behavior. Yet for some reason you decide to point the finger at the teacher. Lots of people like pointing the finger at the teacher, its easier then dealing with your own kid. AMEN to that! People are just plain lazy when it comes to sleuthing out the real causes. They like to blame it on anything but the problem. Classic example of why we are all screwed. Denial is the most dangerous thing our society has to deal with right about now. |
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