Re: This is why... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17420402 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:53:08 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:53:08 EDT Re: This is why... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17427015 Topmounter : Very simply, Net neutrality is government regulation of the Internet. It may start innocent enough, but this is a Pandora's box that you do not want to open.

If there is only 1 ISP available, then I don't have a problem with some sort of "Net Neutrality" regulation applying.

I want multiple providers competing for my business. There is no incentive to enter the market and compete if the government requires you to sell the same vanilla service as the incumbent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17427015 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:13:15 EDT Re: This is why... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17424447 wifi4milez :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

Net Neutrality isn't just a good idea, it's a REQUIRED IDEA. If we don't stop the megacorps from imposing 'their' vision of what the internet is, we won't have the googles, the yahoo's, the utubes of the world. We won't have bittorrent. We won't have Vonage. We won't have ANY of the features that make the internet what it is today.
You are categorically incorrect. Leaving the internet unregulated will provide consumers with the most possible choices. An unregulated internet will allow companies to create specific content and applications that are currently unavailable, or unfeasible.
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said by Topmounter See Profile :

...you don't want your government legislating how broadband service providers can and cannot do business.

The concept of "Net Neutrality" may appear on the surface to be a benevolent act on the part of a government for the betterment of all, but in the end, like most things the government gets involved in, it will just end up being a thinly guised method for the government to promote their own agenda and favor their friends, stifling competition and choice.
BS! Net Neutrality has nothing do with any government banning voip or Skype.

If anyone tries to project the banning of anything on the net as advocacy of "net neutrality" they are an out and out propagandist. BS!

Yes to Net Neutrality! No to the banning of Voip or Skype!
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Net Neutrality isn't just a good idea, it's a REQUIRED IDEA. If we don't stop the megacorps from imposing 'their' vision of what the internet is, we won't have the googles, the yahoo's, the utubes of the world. We won't have bittorrent. We won't have Vonage. We won't have ANY of the features that make the internet what it is today. The megacorp has one objective, and that's to rape the consumer for as much as possible, while providing the lowest level of service possible, for the highest price possible. If we don't have net netrality, plan on seeing an extra charge on your bill if you visit google. Don't kid yourselves, the executives of Verizon, AT&T, SBC, etc all want to charge MORE for LESS. They even state it in their press releases.
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If you don't think taxes are going to hit VOIP in the USA, you're nuts. I have a problem paying a real phone company so people can get cheap service with a VOIP like Vonage. I'm subsiziding their calls somewhere. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17422285 Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:26:30 EDT Re: This is why... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17422070 wifi4milez :
said by Topmounter See Profile :

...you don't want your government legislating how broadband service providers can and cannot do business.

The concept of "Net Neutrality" may appear on the surface to be a benevolent act on the part of a government for the betterment of all, but in the end, like most things the government gets involved in, it will just end up being a thinly guised method for the government to promote their own agenda and favor their friends, stifling competition and choice.
I completely agree. "Net Neutrality" will only hurt consumers in the end. What most people (especially on this site) have trouble seeing is that the government should never regulate how carriers treat traffic on their networks. As you mentioned, it seems innocent enough from the half blind perspective the Net Neut's are pitching it, but once you peel back the covers a bit you can see how bad of an idea it really is. Look at what Lebanon did. Look at what Iran did. Requiring ISP's provide a set upload for their traffic isnt much different from requiring ISP's provide a specific level of service for their traffic. Its all relative, and all a BAD idea............
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said by Topmounter See Profile :

...you don't want your government legislating how broadband service providers can and cannot do business.
Uh, no... This would be an example of why you don't want government in the position of being a competitor within a given service space.

said by Topmounter See Profile :

The concept of "Net Neutrality" may appear on the surface to be a benevolent act on the part of a government for the betterment of all, but in the end, like most things the government gets involved in, it will just end up being a thinly guised method for the government to promote their own agenda and favor their friends, stifling competition and choice.
And you get this from the topic at hand, how, exactly? Sounds like you're looking for any opportunity you can find to push your own bias, whether it's relevant or not.

-tom
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said by Topmounter See Profile :

...you don't want your government legislating how broadband service providers can and cannot do business.

The concept of "Net Neutrality" may appear on the surface to be a benevolent act on the part of a government for the betterment of all, but in the end, like most things the government gets involved in, it will just end up being a thinly guised method for the government to promote their own agenda and favor their friends, stifling competition and choice.
Dude take a look at how the government wanted to add a net tax last year or maybe a bit before.

They want to take money from as many places as possible. It's nothing to do with net neutrality.
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The concept of "Net Neutrality" may appear on the surface to be a benevolent act on the part of a government for the betterment of all, but in the end, like most things the government gets involved in, it will just end up being a thinly guised method for the government to promote their own agenda and favor their friends, stifling competition and choice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17420383 Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:58:20 EDT