Re: Bloated? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16902146 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:28:22 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:28:22 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908614 N3OGH : Let the bloatware wars BEGIN!

Remember, fight nice children....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908614 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:53:03 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906754 rahvin112 : I've never seen someone that was so woefully ignorant of history who then displayed that ignorance so acutely for everyone to witness and when corrected on that ignorance jumped at the opportunity to make themself the fool again.

Based on your comments it's clear that you are either very young or very stupid. I would suggest that you spend a little time studying a subject before you talk about it.

I won't speculate on what the first OS was for I don't know. UNIX came out IIRC in the late 60's, developed by some engineers at Bell Labs so they could play video games. DOS didn't come till the early 80's, and Microsoft purchased it (as mentioned above) to license to IBM solely so that they could sell their BASIC module to IBM to be included in the PC.

The IBM PC was also anything BUT proprietary. The computer was developed to be, and was constructed from commodity parts and contained only one piece that was patented. A piece (for which I can't remember the name) that was cloned by clean reverse engineering by Compaq and sold wholesale to anyone that wanted to build a clone. Had IBM not built their PC using commodity off the shelf parts the PC revolution would have been VASTLY different.

To call the IBM PC bloated is just plain ignorance and the words of a child. It was an elegant masterpiece considered in the context of what existed at the time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906754 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:07:47 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906561 EdibleTarget : why would IBM sell DOS to MS, just to pay them to license it for use on their PCs?

For a quick reference see »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS (wikipedia to the rescue).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906561 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:53:47 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906476 GlennAllen : He's probably confusing MS-DOS with DOS(/360,/VSE) (?). At least, that's what I hope his (her?) confusion is... and MS-DOS came before Unix? Nope... also wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906476 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:26:41 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906152 wmcbrine : Your grasp of history is dismally awry. Go back and watch those documentaries again, and pay attention this time. Even better, read some books.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906152 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:26:15 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906126 wmcbrine : In addition to the other corrections, I'd like to point out that DOS was by no means Microsoft's first product.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906126 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:19:34 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906067 tmc8080 : ibm controlled dos, period.. not some small seattle software company. regardless, microsoft had to obtain ALL the rights, licenses, and patents on the technology because they are integral to the KERNEL of development of the open-hardware ibm-at x86 base machines. for decades was "THE" operating system, until unix and later linux kernels become comparable clones to windows kernel. if you look at all of the documentaries on the birth of microsoft, bill gates bought the rights to dos from ibm, whether it was a puppet on a string company like seattle microsystems is irrelevant and beyond the point. much like one company who dominates in any technology, if you get the early rights, patents, licenses, then you win, or you can look at the whole blackberry debacle, on how to "do it wrong"...

in the "old days" computers were simple things and could not withstand 'bloated code' but, YES the ibm-pc was the most bloated system with LARGE PROPRIETARY PLUG-IN parts much like a jig-saw puzzle, cpu math co-processor, external memory, flash-bios rom, cache memory, video memory, etc.

Other systems were more tightly composed than the ibm-pc.. but the thing that got the market to the GO-GO days were the "clone" machines.. reverse engineered. IBM prohibited microsoft initially from loading microsoft dos on its machines.. eventually marketshare dictated who wags whom and we have david beating goliath at its own game, which can almost never happen due to DMCA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16906067 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:10:05 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16905179 BloodRoses : You mean they bought Mosaic and based a shell around it and ran it on top of DOS?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16905179 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:44:42 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16904707 ksuderman : Correction. Bill Gates licensed QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) from Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products and then turned around and licensed it to IBM.
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Windows ... is another story.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16904619 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:15:09 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16904543 GlennAllen : Correction: not from IBM, and not in 1975.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16904543 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:59:55 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16903784 tmc8080 : correction:
microsoft BOUGHT bloated code from IBM in early-mid 70s (dos/kernel) and wrote bloated code on top of it: WINDOWS, "TA-DA!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16903784 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:59:33 EDT Re: Bloated? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16902146 ff1324 :
said by hoyleysox See Profile :

Since when has microsoft writen bloated code?
1975.
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