| Verizon's official explanation Thanks for breaking this story.
Verizon spokeswoman Bobbi Henson tells me they attribute the need for the surcharge to the extra cost of the Verizon DSL division paying the Verizon network division (the supplier) for the lines required for naked DSL, and has nothing to do with suppliers of bandwidth. I had jumped to that conclusion just as some of your posters did.
The interesting related story is that Verizon is now offering "naked DSL" throughout their service area. I haven't run the numbers yet, but I believe I will find them unconvincing at best when I do.
Just confirmed they are happy to sell naked to me in New York. They call it "dry loop" It costs $5 more than the service when you have a Verizon phone line.
Dave Burstein
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ | said by daveberstein:Thanks for breaking this story. Verizon spokeswoman Bobbi Henson tells me they attribute the need for the surcharge to the extra cost of the Verizon DSL division paying the Verizon network division (the supplier) for the lines required for naked DSL, and has nothing to do with suppliers of bandwidth. I had jumped to that conclusion just as some of your posters did. Well that sucks. Now I have to subsidise Dry Loop DSL. I don't have Dry Loop DSL why should I pay for leechers DSL? I pay extra so leechers can have POTS in a swamp. I just learned I will be paying for municipal broad band in Utah. Why do these leechers get to pick my pocket? |
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These guys are such sleeze. There needs to be some "Truth in Advertising" enforcement action going. Any charge or fee that a subscriber cannot opt out of, that does not get imposed and remitted to a recognized government agency, needs to be incorporated in the advertised rate.
I have no objection to a company raising its rates, but they d*mn well should have the cajones to admit it. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ | said by travelguy:I have no objection to a company raising its rates, but they d*mn well should have the cajones to admit it. There is a catch, a government mandated catch. Verizon is forced by the government to operate different parts of the business as separate companies. Verizon The Phone Company is charging Verizon the DSL company more.
I ass/u/me Verizon The Phone Company is charging CLEC/ISP more also. So you want to save a dollar and get DSL with out POTS. Fine, Verizon The Phone Company will charge everyone $2 more. |
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1 edit | I have no problem with that. My issue is Verizon (and lots of other companies) who advertise a service for $X, and then tack on a bunch of extra $Y fees that you have no option to decline. If it's not an option and its not a user driven tax (i.e. based on the actual user usage or bill - not a phony property tax flow through), it needs to go in the base rate. |
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FYI for those who cry about there needs to be truth in advertising. There is, its called a legal disclaimer. Here is Verizon's:
Verizon reminds you to always download legally.
Offer by Verizon Online for all new DSL customers. A $19.99 shipping and activation charge will apply to each DSL order. Additional surcharges, taxes, and other fees apply. These include, but are not limited to, a tax recovery fee which varies by state (where applicable), and a supplier surcharge of $1.20 per month for 768kbps plans and $2.70 per month for 3Mbps plans, which is not a tax or government imposed fee. Early termination fee of $79 applies to one year plans. Verizon residential local service is required. Service not available in all areas or on all telephone lines and subject to final confirmation of services by Verizon. Service provisioned will be 768Kbps, 1.5 Mbps, or 3.0 Mbps based on Verizon line qualification requirements and the package selected. If for any reason you are not completely satisfied you may cancel your DSL service within 30 days of your service ready date, return all equipment provided to you by Verizon and receive a refund for any charges you have paid to Verizon Online. Minimum system requirements apply. Acceptance of Verizon Online Terms of Service is required. Only Web based features of Verizon Yahoo! for DSL are Macintosh® compatible. Software for MSN Premium versions of Verizon Online DSL is not Macintosh® compatible. Applicable taxes apply. Home networking bandwidth shared by multiple users; simultaneous usage may affect individual user's throughput speed. Home networking may require wireless adapters and Wi-Fi cards (sold separately). Actual throughput speed will vary. Speed and uninterrupted use of the service are not guaranteed. Equipment is new or fully inspected, tested and warranted return unit. Equipment provided with the one-year commitment offer will vary by location. Offer subject to change without notice. Other terms and conditions apply. Valid through 9/15/06. © 2006 Verizon. All Rights Reserved.
Your fault if you didn't read it.
Point #2 - With the increase in the price of gas, Verizon's cost to provide service also increases. A lot of Verizon techs fill up at the same Exxon, Lukoil, BP, etc that you do. This increase to Verizon's cost gets passed on to the consumer just like other stores do when their costs go up.
Point #3 - Verizon the Phone Company is paying for the deployment of FiOS. Therefore, Verizon the Phone Company should charge Verizon the Internet company, Covad the piggybacker, and CLEC the leecher much higher fees so that Verizon the Phone Company can continue its FiOS rollout. Any fee increase that subsidizes FiOS is fine by me. |
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| said by waiting4fios:FYI for those who cry about there needs to be truth in advertising. There is, its called a legal disclaimer. This is bogus. Advertising one rate in bold print and tacking on all sorts of s fees in fine print is extactly what I'm talking about.
I'll repeat: If the "fee" isn't optional or tied to a government tax based on the user, it needs to be included in the advertised rate.
That means tax recovery fees, supplier surcharges and whatever else the MBAs can come up with to avoid listing the true cost. |
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