Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular in Computer Hardware Discussion/Reviews http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16497112 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:13:42 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:13:42 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16550617 Wily_One : Damn! I'll say!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16550617 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:05:55 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16549060 cob_ :
said by Kong57 See Profile :

June 13th i bought a Dell XPS 700.»Look what I got coming July 20 They still have not delivered it cause of Motherboard with 1KW were having problems co existing with each other. Dell called yesterday and told me it would be Aug 13. I ask for compinsation. They offered me the Core Duo 2 Extreme X6800. I said hell yes... So dell is offering them now on there machines
Wow, you are definitely coming out on top there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16549060 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:40:10 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16548665 Kong57 : June 13th i bought a Dell XPS 700.»Look what I got coming July 20 They still have not delivered it cause of Motherboard with 1KW were having problems co existing with each other. Dell called yesterday and told me it would be Aug 13. I ask for compinsation. They offered me the Core Duo 2 Extreme X6800. I said hell yes... So dell is offering them now on there machines
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said by BA See Profile :

For those with lots of cash and are looking to quad-core, CEO Otellini said during today's Q2 '06 earnings call that they've been able to pull Kentsfield into Q4 of this year.
I don't think quad core will be much good unless they increase the bandwidth of the FSB to match. quad core cpu + quad channel FSB will be the ticket for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16548584 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:25:17 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16536636 BA : For those with lots of cash and are looking to quad-core, CEO Otellini said during today's Q2 '06 earnings call that they've been able to pull Kentsfield into Q4 of this year.

Intel also previously said they would release a 3.2 GHz Core 2 Extreme by year's end.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16536636 Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:18:52 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16535993 Carbon Unit :
said by jafoman See Profile :

What are you doing on your Kentsfield? Burn some DVDs or play BF2? I'm pretty sure 4 cores isn't really going to matter... Unless you're doing heavy database/server stuff I think you should save your money and buy a Conroe.

said by Carbon Unit See Profile :

The conroe will be short lived because the Quad core will carry Intel into 2009(Intel Yorkfield 8 core 4x Wolfdale chips), Im just going to wait for the Kentsfield, they plan on enabling HT on this cpu, plus Intel is planing to roll out the quad core with the release of Vista, Im also interested in the 1333mhz quad pumped FSB
I suspect there's a reason Intel and Microsoft are releasing there new products at the same time, it will probably be the best possible solution for running Vista, sure you could probably run Vista on a Pentium 3, but back when XP was released I first ran it on a AMD K6III 550Mhz, and the performance was sub-par]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16535993 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:45:13 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16533942 cob_ : I'm not upgrading until next year, and when I do, it's going to be a complete and top of the line one. I suspect by then AMD will have or will be back on top. I have to agree with the "screw brand loyalty" sentiment, unless you have a particularly good support experience with a company - and with processors you usually get a good one and keep it, or RMA it back to whoever sold it to you the first week it's in your hands, so I'm not too sure it applies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16533942 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:03:29 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16530556 MrMaster :
said by adgtrunklid See Profile :

Intel has been better then amd for a long time; just lacking the press. With amd you can only use DDR one at 400 were Intel supports DDR 2 667. The cache size on the amd chip is much smaller and you get a lot of cache misses. The Core Duo has 2 x 1 MB in the laptop and 2 x 2 MB cache in the desktop. The Core DUO supports cache sharing between cores of the 2MB, as I am sure the new Core 2 DUO will probably do as well.

It is nice to see the press is finally crawling out from under the rock and giving credit were credit is duo.

ADG Trunklid
Hmmmmm...you mean long time as in a few days?
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said by Carbon Unit See Profile :

The conroe will be short lived because the Quad core will carry Intel into 2009(Intel Yorkfield 8 core 4x Wolfdale chips), Im just going to wait for the Kentsfield, they plan on enabling HT on this cpu, plus Intel is planing to roll out the quad core with the release of Vista, Im also interested in the 1333mhz quad pumped FSB
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16529810 Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:36:06 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16522370 BA :
said by hihihihihihihih :

Is the "Core 2 Duo" based on the same architecture as the "Core Duo" currently found in laptops?
Completely different, from both a performance and a technical standpoint.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16522370 Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:22:25 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16522353 adgtrunklid :
said by illJazz See Profile :

When can we expect to see laptops with the new Intel chips? That is.. aside from Apple Powerbooks :D. Also.. how come Apple Powerbooks can already be Core Duo equipped when Core Duo is just being launched now? :)
I believe the 27th is the debut/launch for the Core 2 Duo desktop chips; at the Intel Corporate Headquarters.

Core Duo has been in PC based laptops since their release early this year January 06. Ccallana is correct the Apple and PC based laptops have “Core Duo” 1st generation chips, and now “Core “2” Duo” is the second generation chip based on the Merom & Conroe processors . The laptop version "Merom" should be launched later this year in August. Core Duo first came out in PC based laptops before Apple released the Intel chip inside their devices.

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Is the "Core 2 Duo" based on the same architecture as the "Core Duo" currently found in laptops?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16522298 Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:30:12 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16521630 Carbon Unit : Its simple, do the math, Intels $300 cpu will out perform AMDs $1000 cpu, I dont feel very charitable now so I will go with the intel chip
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Yonah is a Core Duo product...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16519934 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:47:48 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16519876 illJazz : When can we expect to see laptops with the new Intel chips? That is.. aside from Apple Powerbooks :D. Also.. how come Apple Powerbooks can already be Core Duo equipped when Core Duo is just being launched now? :)
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said by unsub See Profile :

I have no idea why people are arguing over this stuff. I have no love for Intel or AMD. I buy what gives me the best speed for the money, and I always have. Satan could put out a processor and I'd buy it if it was fast and cheap.

I've used AMD for about 4 years now. Anyone who built their own system was foolish not to.

When I build my new system in January I'll be using a Core 2 Duo
/Agree!
Screw Brand Loyalty, all I want is best bang for the buck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16515536 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:34:17 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16514713 Konceptz : Its a back and forth thing, intel for a while then AMD, although AMDs next round is supposed to be 3.0ghz, so we'll see what happens.
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Both AMD and Intel have a firm niche, though it's good to see Intel getting back in the seat. Just hope there is no DRM involved. In latter years both AMD and Intel seem to find 'Spyware' on a chip acceptable.

We certainly have come a long way from 8086 at the consumer level and the $3,000+ price tab.

I still remember buying a 1meg memory chip for $280.00 and the stella 286 Rig that I bought a 4meg stick for, almost $400.00. 386 was a speed demon..Lol One could tweak a lot with that setup. 486 was a major move up and Pent 111 was the Cats A**, still a good chip [1g] for older software. Still run a 486DX100. Still run two AMD's, one from the early days 1g Athy.

AMD came a long and forced CPU prices down, for that we can be most thankful.

We are getting spoiled with price and technological advances, pretty nice!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16511235 Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:33:47 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16507543 AB :
said by fegul See Profile :

the file has to have some form of DRM on it.
Yes, thanks. No doubt you are correct, I was just wondering if anybody knew for a dead solid fact?

*Edit- clarification]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16507543 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:16:00 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16507492 Carbon Unit : The conroe will be short lived because the Quad core will carry Intel into 2009(Intel Yorkfield 8 core 4x Wolfdale chips), Im just going to wait for the Kentsfield, they plan on enabling HT on this cpu, plus Intel is planing to roll out the quad core with the release of Vista, Im also interested in the 1333mhz quad pumped FSB]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16507492 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:05:05 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16505672 ccallana : DDR2 800 is probably your best bet - but DDR2 667 is much more cost effective.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16505672 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:13:31 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16505595 skyjock41 : What will be the best matching memory for these chips?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16505595 Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:58:22 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16505057 psitool :
said by jsouth See Profile :

AMD is already working on something to counter it. I read in a magazine that AMD is Working on Quad-core CPU. Not sure on the specs yet. The article I skimmed over didn't really go into much detail as the chips are still in planning.
Intel will release a quad core cpu next year (Kentsfield).
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As for the L2 cache - again - until Conroe - Intel still had CPU's that performed worse than the AMD CPU's - with AMD CPU's 512 cache and their line of CPU's that had 1 meg per core.

Meanwhile AMD was running CPU's that used a lot voltage meaning that for the last 5 years the AMD CPU's were far COOLER than the Intel CPU's - something you want on a laptop - both for battery life and comfort on the lap.
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It is nice to see the press is finally crawling out from under the rock and giving credit were credit is duo.

ADG Trunklid
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said by unsub See Profile :

I have no idea why people are arguing over this stuff. I have no love for Intel or AMD. I buy what gives me the best speed for the money, and I always have.
And we have a winner!  ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16503121 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:02:57 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16501722 RJ44 :
said by itguy05 See Profile :

quote:
As I said before, AMD is screwed!!


Not really. History has shown that few consumers buy the best performing stuff. If this were the case, Intel would have closed up shop by now. Celeron, P4, and in many cases P3, Xeon, etc are all inferior to Duron, Athlon, and Opteron. Yet Intel continued to sell butloads of very subpar performing chips for the past 5 or 6 years now.
Not sure I agree with the analysis even though the facts are correct. History shows that people will still buy *Intel* chips, even if they're inferior. I'm not sure AMD has the umm, fan base, for lack of a better term, that Intel does to carry them through this. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

RJ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16501722 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:02:21 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16501502 x____ : AMD got smoked in the benchmarks.

»www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/···e12.html

I almost bought an AM2 motherboard and CPU recently.
I'm glad I held out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16501502 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:21:59 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16501174 Mrq5 :
said by CylonRed See Profile :

said by unsub See Profile :

BTW - no matter what - BOTH companies make CPU's that are far faster than 95% of the home users need and probably close to 85% of the business desktops need. I can still build a PC for my use and make it last for 3-5 years with a current AMD CPU. Just becuase Intel has the "crown" - does not mean no one will buy them...

I agree with this position. P3's are good enough for my family and friends, especially when just used for email, browsing and homework. Unless hardcore gaming todays CPU's aren't fully taxed by current apps. Im excited about the upcoming changes 'cause I now can buy last years top performers for a bargain and know it will last me a good while.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16501174 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:20:14 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500723 itguy05 :
quote:
As I said before, AMD is screwed!!


Not really. History has shown that few consumers buy the best performing stuff. If this were the case, Intel would have closed up shop by now. Celeron, P4, and in many cases P3, Xeon, etc are all inferior to Duron, Athlon, and Opteron. Yet Intel continued to sell butloads of very subpar performing chips for the past 5 or 6 years now. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500723 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:03:06 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500512 CylonRed : Lets - see - I said the majority and not all and I never mentioned dvd recording.... I have no idea what "hell no" refers to...
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I've used AMD for about 4 years now. Anyone who built their own system was foolish not to.

When I build my new system in January I'll be using a Core 2 Duo]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500427 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:17:03 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500246 Martinus :
said by AB See Profile :

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

if u want to see if it has DRM

buy the

New motherborad
and the cpu

download vista

download a music file from torrent or something

try to play it

see if plays
Oh, okay. I'm on it now. Will report back shortly with details. :uhh:
LOL

Especially, try to download a music file from "something" - not torrent -, that'd be the ultimate test. :uhh:
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said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

if u want to see if it has DRM

buy the

New motherborad
and the cpu

download vista

download a music file from torrent or something

try to play it

see if plays
Oh, okay. I'm on it now. Will report back shortly with details. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500191 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:40:52 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500182 Martinus :
said by CylonRed See Profile :

...BOTH companies have more than what is needed speed/processing wise - even for gamers.
Hell no.

I'd really love to cut my DVD recoding time in half, or my BF2 levels load in 1/3 or my RARing of a whole directory in 1/4.

Of course, if all you do is write emails or use Notepad it makes no sense to put more power in your box, but if you use resource intensive apps in a regular basis, you'll really appreciate those optimized features of newer CPUs.
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said by Martinus See Profile :

said by CylonRed See Profile :

It took Intel 5 YEARS to get back the performance crown... You want AMD to take it back in less than a year it seems...
Agree.

But we also have to agree that Conroe is the way to go for system builders the next, say, half year.

In 5 years time we'll probably have quantum processors or CPUs floating in liquid nitrogen, but that's a hell of a long time to wait.
I think system builders will know that for the VAST majority of the folks - BOTH companies have more than what is needed speed/processing wise - even for gamers.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500049 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:21:43 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16500012 Martinus :
said by CylonRed See Profile :

It took Intel 5 YEARS to get back the performance crown... You want AMD to take it back in less than a year it seems...
Agree.

But we also have to agree that Conroe is the way to go for system builders the next, say, half year.

In 5 years time we'll probably have quantum processors or CPUs floating in liquid nitrogen, but that's a hell of a long time to wait.
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said by Martinus See Profile :

said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

said by N10Cities See Profile :

The extreme 6800 edition is the only one that is can be over-clocked according to some reviews (multiplier can be easily altered on that chip..the others can't)..

Low budget modders need not apply...that chip is around $1000! (in large quantities) Hate to see the retail price. The lower chips look very interesting. Been pondering an upgrade to a dual core Athlon in the near future, but will hold off now and see what the retail on these chips will be.

The DRM question from above is a very good question. Will be interesting to see the answer to that...
google is your friend

»www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/De···Id=13912
So are you supposed to be.

That article you link to talks about Pentium D. That's, to put it mildly, old news.
if u want to see if it has DRM

buy the

New motherborad
and the cpu

download vista

download a music file from torrent or something

try to play it

see if plays]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499963 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:06:27 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499938 CylonRed :
said by unsub See Profile :

Unfortunately they don't have anything in the pipeline that's going to beat this in a next year.

The P4 has sucked for 5 years now. AMD should have been on top by now as they have beaten them in price and performance nearly the entire time. Now Intel has a better performing chip, and the market lead.

It does suck for AMD.
So - it seems you are writing them off because of 1 year....? Wow - a wee bit extreme. the reason AMD is not on "top" is because people didn't buy them in enough numbers..

I say again - and will continue to say it - they will have something back. It took Intel 5 YEARS to get back the performance crown... You want AMD to take it back in less than a year it seems...

BTW - no matter what - BOTH companies make CPU's that are far faster than 95% of the home users need and probably close to 85% of the business desktops need. I can still build a PC for my use and make it last for 3-5 years with a current AMD CPU. Just becuase Intel has the "crown" - does not mean no one will buy them...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499938 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:02:43 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499896 Anonymous_ : i re updated]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499896 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:55:44 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499880 Martinus :
said by Anonymous_ See Profile :

said by N10Cities See Profile :

The extreme 6800 edition is the only one that is can be over-clocked according to some reviews (multiplier can be easily altered on that chip..the others can't)..

Low budget modders need not apply...that chip is around $1000! (in large quantities) Hate to see the retail price. The lower chips look very interesting. Been pondering an upgrade to a dual core Athlon in the near future, but will hold off now and see what the retail on these chips will be.

The DRM question from above is a very good question. Will be interesting to see the answer to that...
google is your friend

»www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/De···Id=13912
So are you supposed to be.

That article you link to talks about Pentium D. That's, to put it mildly, old news.
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said by N10Cities See Profile :

The extreme 6800 edition is the only one that is can be over-clocked according to some reviews (multiplier can be easily altered on that chip..the others can't)..

Low budget modders need not apply...that chip is around $1000! (in large quantities) Hate to see the retail price. The lower chips look very interesting. Been pondering an upgrade to a dual core Athlon in the near future, but will hold off now and see what the retail on these chips will be.

The DRM question from above is a very good question. Will be interesting to see the answer to that...
um if it's in the PD it's in the Core crap too

haha u have to upgrade and pay more $$$$ hahaha
new Socket P ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499854 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:50:14 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499785 KoolMoe : All I have to say is this kind of advancement is what happens when there is *true* competition. Even if AMD loses the performance crown for a year or two, they have my gratitude for getting Intel off their collective ass and actually coming up with a significant advancement.
KM
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Low budget modders need not apply...that chip is around $1000! (in large quantities) Hate to see the retail price. The lower chips look very interesting. Been pondering an upgrade to a dual core Athlon in the near future, but will hold off now and see what the retail on these chips will be.

The DRM question from above is a very good question. Will be interesting to see the answer to that...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499633 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:16:58 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499538 Martinus :
said by AB See Profile :

Does this have DRM integrated on the chip, does anybody know, out of curiosity? Thanks.
Great question!

Anybody can shed a light on this?

This would be the one thing holding me back.
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said by Vamp See Profile :

This quote from Rage3d makes me drool...

said by »www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.···33861268 :

Intel has lifted the wraps on their Core 2 Duo CPU, and boy does it ever impress. Consider that a $220 Core 2 Duo E6400 runing at 2.13GHz keeps pace with a $1000 Athlon FX-62 running at 2.8GHz, then that the flagship Core 2 Duo X6800 runs 2.93GHz, and you will begin to understand what the hype surrounding the Core 2 Duo has been about.
As I said before, AMD is screwed!!
Does this have DRM integrated on the chip, does anybody know, out of curiosity? Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499404 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:40:55 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499301 Cheese :
said by unsub See Profile :

Unfortunately they don't have anything in the pipeline that's going to beat this in a next year.

The P4 has sucked for 5 years now. AMD should have been on top by now as they have beaten them in price and performance nearly the entire time. Now Intel has a better performing chip, and the market lead.

It does suck for AMD.
AMD was on top....They will bring out something eventually that will have everyone oohing and ahhhing just like this chip is doing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499301 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:25:45 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499272 ccallana : Wow - I can finally show my face around here without getting beat up :) Luckily I still have a job.... and hopefully this product launch can help turn around some recent mis-steps by Intel.

There is still alot of work to do and ground to make up - but when I hear some of the die-hard AMD fans thinking of switching, Intel must have done something right :)

Some quotes from the major review sites below. My favorite one:
“But this is where their (AMD’s) little parade comes to a screeching halt – why? Because in the most simplistic of terms, Conroe (dubbed Core 2 Duo) kicks the Athlon64 right in the balls and doesn’t look back.” from GD Hardware.
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Tom's Hardware:
“Core 2 Duo Is the new king”
“So fasten your seatbelts, because Core 2 Duo is the new high-flyer.”
“Core 2 Duo shall become the undisputed leader in performance and performance per Watt”
“As soon as Core 2 Duo hits the market, it will outperform the complete Athlon 64 family (X2 and FX) in all areas, including gaming, where AMD has traditionally been very strong”
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Anandtech
“You're instead looking at the most impressive piece of silicon the world has ever seen, at the fastest desktop processor we've ever tested. What you're looking at is Conroe and today is its birthday.”
“Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison, not a single one.”
“Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance.”
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More from GD Hardware
“Make no mistake about it, they have unleashed a series of new processors that are going to make AMD’s life really uncomfortable for the foreseeable future.”
“AM2 should be called AMwho? A band-aid fix at best, AMD’s current crop of CPUs simply can’t compete with Core 2 Duo when you consider they’re priced about the same.”
“Kudos to Intel for getting it right and not just baby-stepping us into the next realm of performance but really handing AMD its ass on a silver platter. We’re performance nuts around here and appreciate the school-of-hard-knocks Intel has gone through with P4. It’s nice to see AMD eat some crow for awhile.”
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Sharky Extreme
“The launch of the Core 2 processor line has hit the market with a bang, and offers up an incredible combination of performance and value, coupled with low heat and power specifications. These processors are so good, that it's difficult to highlight any real negatives. The Core 2 Extreme and Duo processors offer record-breaking performance, industry leading power specs, and are priced so that virtually anyone can afford one. It has been a long time since we have seen a processor walk over the competition like this, and we should all thank AMD for bringing out the very best from Intel, as well as proving that competition does indeed work.”
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All in all a good day for Intel - even during the turmoil going on inside the company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499272 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:20:54 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499263 unsub :
said by CylonRed See Profile :

said by Vamp See Profile :

This quote from Rage3d makes me drool...

said by »www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.···33861268 :

Intel has lifted the wraps on their Core 2 Duo CPU, and boy does it ever impress. Consider that a $220 Core 2 Duo E6400 runing at 2.13GHz keeps pace with a $1000 Athlon FX-62 running at 2.8GHz, then that the flagship Core 2 Duo X6800 runs 2.93GHz, and you will begin to understand what the hype surrounding the Core 2 Duo has been about.
As I said before, AMD is screwed!!
Nope - they will have something back - normal back and forth between the 2...
Unfortunately they don't have anything in the pipeline that's going to beat this in a next year.

The P4 has sucked for 5 years now. AMD should have been on top by now as they have beaten them in price and performance nearly the entire time. Now Intel has a better performing chip, and the market lead.

It does suck for AMD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499263 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:19:05 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499061 skyjock41 :
said by fegul See Profile :

I'm looking to buy the E6600 so long as the price hovers around $300
Im all over the E6600. Its your best bang for the buck hands down. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16499061 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:47:34 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16498571 fegul : I'm looking to buy the E6600 so long as the price hovers around $300]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16498571 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:15:33 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16498122 CylonRed :
said by Vamp See Profile :

This quote from Rage3d makes me drool...

said by »www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.···33861268 :

Intel has lifted the wraps on their Core 2 Duo CPU, and boy does it ever impress. Consider that a $220 Core 2 Duo E6400 runing at 2.13GHz keeps pace with a $1000 Athlon FX-62 running at 2.8GHz, then that the flagship Core 2 Duo X6800 runs 2.93GHz, and you will begin to understand what the hype surrounding the Core 2 Duo has been about.
As I said before, AMD is screwed!!
Nope - they will have something back - normal back and forth between the 2...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16498122 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:39:21 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16497594 BA : AnandTech and Tom's Hardware have finally posted their reviews. Anand's piece is particularly informative because he discusses the question about 2 vs. 4 MB L2, memory latency, and the FSB.

»www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sh···x?i=2795
»www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/···hlon_64/
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16497594 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:19:21 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16497384 Vamp : This quote from Rage3d makes me drool...

said by »www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.···33861268 :

Intel has lifted the wraps on their Core 2 Duo CPU, and boy does it ever impress. Consider that a $220 Core 2 Duo E6400 runing at 2.13GHz keeps pace with a $1000 Athlon FX-62 running at 2.8GHz, then that the flagship Core 2 Duo X6800 runs 2.93GHz, and you will begin to understand what the hype surrounding the Core 2 Duo has been about.
As I said before, AMD is screwed!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16497384 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:45:23 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16497161 Wily_One : I'm drooling already. I'm really interested in the performance benchmarks for the Core 2 Duo E6700 CPU on the Nvidia nForce 590 SLI motherboard.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16497161 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:26:30 EDT Re: Core 2 Duo: Intel Goes for the Jugular http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16497150 banditws6 : Fascinating, I may actually consider going Intel with my next round of upgrades later this year. If so, it'll be the first time I'll have bought an Intel CPU since 1997.
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»www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1···4,00.asp

»www.firingsquad.com/hardware/int···ormance/
»www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3161
»www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=27···e=expert
»www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6184
»www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q···x.x?pg=1
»www.overclockers.com.au/article.···d=489587
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