Re: Summary of interview; as I see it in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16263625 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:30:29 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:30:29 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16267557 KoolMoe : Good to see true blue conservativism still exists! Smaller Federal Government, allowing States and local communities to decide their own politics, is still the foundation of conservati...
oh, wait, nevermind. :huh:
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said by oliphant See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

...the bill provides for a national franchise regulation that would override local city rules.
Citizens get screwed
Succinct summary!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16266371 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:40:15 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16266360 ross : Au contraire, cable companies LOVE franchise agreements. Those agreements were/are their butress against competition. While they haven't liked providing local access channels and public programing, they have made a killing by having exclusive agreements territorializing the market.

They really don't like the Telcos having unfettered access to what was formally their exclusive domain.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16266360 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:39:00 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16264829 DaSneaky1D : Don't split hairs. Read what I wrote in context with what insomniac84 See Profile wrote.
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said by DaSneaky1D See Profile :

Cable companies already do. It's called franchise agreements ;-)
Cable companies don't set these, these are negotiated with the municipality in which the cable company seeks to do business.

In fact, Cable companies dn't LIKE franchise agreements, they are often used as a tool to extract EXTRA services from the cable company. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16264750 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:41:18 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16264715 cbrigante2 : There are no deep pockets in the State of Illinois.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16264715 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:34:02 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16263909 anon : Hold on to your horse mr confusion spreader.

If should look like this.

City proposes FTTH
AT&T & Comcast opposed Customer is already screwed as they aren't going to BUY the vote or MISLEAD the public.
It's taking advantage of people that don't know any better and it's 235^&&& SICKING!

Proposal comes up for vote
AT&T & Comcast outspend city and supporters before vote
Vote goes against city
The 2nd vote follows same steps as above
AT&T wants to rollout Lightspeed
City mad at AT&T and says no
AT&T sues
Citizens get screwed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16263909 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:23:49 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16264170 nekote : Shouldn't the State of Illinois be enforcing state law?
Shouldn't the statue be written (or amended?) in such a way to make that possible?
Why are the cities being sued and spending money for legal defenses, rather than the state?
The state's legal pockets are much deeper and much more comparable to corporate giants.

Do the city governments have to consider deliberately taking some provocative action - say, explicitly granting an un-Level franchise - that would violate the Level Playing Field statute, so as to get their city butts sued by the state for violating the state law?

A round about way to back into getting a Court ruling to enforce the Level Playing Field in a way they actually want?

Just trying to figure another way to skin the cat, so to speak.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I don't think a city government should have the power to force rules on a provider as to who they serve.
Why? A city should set whatever rules they want. If they mandate that any company that wants to roll out a new service needs to offer it to everyone, that is there right. The town will either win with companies offering products to everyone, or lose with no companies offering anything because they don't want to offer the product everywhere. In the end, as long as any money can be made if a product is rolled out to every house, the companies will still do it. It's just angers them when a small rural fraction will cost as much to setup as everyone else combined.
Personally I think more towns need to start requiring full deployment by telephone and cable companies. Otherwise the sparse areas will never get service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16263928 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:46:26 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16263927 DaSneaky1D : Do you feel a city government should enforce Illinois Level Playing Field Statute [65 ILCS 5/11-42-11(e)]?
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said by DaSneaky1D See Profile :

Do you believe that AT&T's product is an IP service that happens to serve video?

Or, do you believe that AT&T is offering video services that simply uses IP as part of their transport means (in conjunction with their fiber, xDSL, and copper transport)?
A rose is a rose... What AT&T is offering is a video service and under current rules should be subject to a franchise agreement with the city. So I don't agree with AT&T's position.

BUT,
and you knew a but was coming right?,
I don't think a city government should have the power to force rules on a provider as to who they serve. So, if and when HR 5252 is passed(it includes national franchise rules), AT&T would owe money to the city, but the city could NOT deny a franchise based on which neighborhoods AT&T chooses to serve.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

...the bill provides for a national franchise regulation that would override local city rules.
Citizens get screwed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16263680 Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:09:18 EDT Re: Summary of interview; as I see it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16263625 DaSneaky1D : Do you believe that AT&T's product is an IP service that happens to serve video?

Or, do you believe that AT&T is offering video services that simply uses IP as part of their transport means (in conjunction with their fiber, xDSL, and copper transport)?
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AT&T & Comcast opposed
Proposal comes up for vote
AT&T & Comcast outspend city and supporters before vote
Vote goes against city
The 2nd vote follows same steps as above
AT&T wants to rollout Lightspeed
City mad at AT&T and says no
AT&T sues
Citizens get screwed

And all will be moot if US House passes HR 5252(and is also passed by Senate) as discussed in this BBR news item from today: »House to Vote on Net-Neutrality COPE Amendment
because the bill provides for a national franchise regulation that would override local city rules.
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