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Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16156578 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:26:03 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:26:03 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16178431 kamm : ? VOOM HD is a seaparate package...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16178431 Fri, 26 May 2006 17:52:32 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16168448 anon : I don't know about you, But I am offered 23 HD channels through my cable provider Wide Open West (Michigan Detroit Area)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16168448 Thu, 25 May 2006 10:08:02 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166441 anon : I'm pretty sure the US has set a-semiofficial switch date of 2009-10 if i remember right, that could've been a rumor though]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166441 Thu, 25 May 2006 01:10:07 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166304 anon : i should hope by 2021 atenna frequencies are HD, the cable companies will be forced, not by any government regualtions but by the demand of HD. Comapnies are already advertising and competing with each otehr (at least in Canada) about how many HD stations they have.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166304 Wed, 24 May 2006 22:50:26 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166335 anon :

Now add all the Dish premium HD channels to your list (HBOHD, DiscoveryHD, ShowtimeHD, TNTHD, ESPN2HD etc) then add another 15 HD channels of VOOM - that's what I'm receiving from Dish and I pay around $90 per month.

actually, you cant just add 15 channels, in Canada on Rogers ive got at least 3-4 more channels then bell expressvu or starchoice (2 major ones up here) and i still pay less than them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16166335 Wed, 24 May 2006 22:48:35 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16161966 kamm :

said by Toadman

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I disagree with this statement. My cable company Armstrong provides more HD channels than Dish Network or DirecTV,

Now that's just plain wrong. FYI: VOOM HD package has 15 exclusive HD-only channels for Dish, apart from its usual premium and other HD lineup.

One thing is clear ever since Dish bought Voom: nobody has more HD than Dish. I hate Dish, arrogant @ssholes but this is the only reason I have Dish.

and correct me if I am wrong, but DirecTV is the only one that offers local HD channels via sat. (not terrestrial antenna) and only for like 2 markets.

You're wrong, Dish also have local HD channels but it doesn't really matter: majority of those HD locals are still nothing but uprezzed SD programming, let alone the fact that DirecTV's HD PQ is *far the worst* on the whole market.
Remember their notorious 10Mbit MPEG2 HD channels as real HD? Ridiculous.

I get my HD locals plus national feed PBS, ESPN HD, Wealth TV HD, My local sports channel (2) in HD, and Universal HD for Free. All I pay for is HD Net and HD Movies and that is 3 dollars.

Now add all the Dish premium HD channels to your list (HBOHD, DiscoveryHD, ShowtimeHD, TNTHD, ESPN2HD etc) then add another 15 HD channels of VOOM - that's what I'm receiving from Dish and I pay around $90 per month. :)

The rental fee for the HD PVR receiver is $6 a month and Dish Network and DirecTV are nutz if they think I am going to pay 400 for their receiver and then pay them 5 dollars a month for the privilege to use my receiver and 10 a month for the HD channels.

I fully agree, they are arrogant @ssholes, I'm always looking for the chance to dump them. I own my equipment, so I'm constantly thinking about keeping my Voom HD only for some $10-15 per mo only and order cable....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16161966 Wed, 24 May 2006 11:37:27 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16161784 Kearnstd : trouble with 1080p is that there isnt the bandwidth for it on the distrobution systems for TV.
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In my opinion, there is a lot of confusion around what HD is (720i or p vs 1080i or p).and as long as that confusion exists, content providers can snow the general public. I recall when my local cable provider was only "half" digital. The satellite providers bashed this and said they were "pure digital" even though their local feeds originated in analog just like the cable companies. Now my local cable company is all digital and even sources their digital local channels from the broadcaster's digital feed. Gone are the satellite company's claims of pure digital.

Even now, FOX and ABC use 720p and PBS, NBC and CBS use 1080i. One would think that 1080i would be better but even I'm confused since 1080i is interlaced and 720p is not. The 720 might actually have a more flicker free picture than 1080i.

I think along with the digital conversion, the FCC should step in and define a single HD standard and force content providers to adhere to 1080p -- currently the best resolution. Even if the program's content doesn't fill 1080p's resolution potential, it should be black boxed. With this type of parity, the "we're pure digital" snow jobs will be gone and TV manufacturers won't have the wiggle room to produce a low end "HD ready" set that is really a piece of crap if the public understood it was only capable of 480p.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16161659 Wed, 24 May 2006 10:51:04 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16160385 hdtvtechno :

said by SkullBot

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I calibrated my TV so it looks really good however I would not recommend it to anyone that is on the fence right now. I mainly got mine for games, DVDs, and to replace a 20 year old broken TV.

Want to spend a little more, and get a great investment out of that HDTV ?...

Buy an Clean Power Device from »www.richardgrayspowercompany.com

it takes all that juice from that power transformer thats on the pole in your neighborhood and brings it all to you power outlet,
if you call up the company, they would better explain it to you, and offer advice

and if you want to take it futher, upgrade your power cables in the house and run dedicated A.C. circuits runs from the power outlet (where the HDTV is) to the power breaker box
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said by TKJunkMail

said by N3OGH

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I have a high def DV and a high def box from Comcast.

Pretty much only thing I watch in HD is sporting events. The Nascar races in HD are awesome...

The point is that cable lacks the content Dish has in HD. Of course you can't watch anything else but sports...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16159342 Tue, 23 May 2006 23:05:27 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16157497 Kearnstd : HDTV needs to be easier to use imo, the typical home user doesnt know what component video is or even how to switch their TV set off of the standard CATV input. whats needed is elimination of the cable box even for digital, making a standard across all CATV systems and then having TVs do it with a card from the cable co while retaining the program guide one gets with the box.
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None of this, however, affects the cable companies. The FCC deadline is only for broadcast television. Cable companies can continue to send an analog signal as long as feasible for them to do so, because CATV is a closed system.
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said by Slacker44

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I certainly can't speak for the nation as a whole, but everyone I know here in Phoenix thinks HD definately matters. Personally, I rarely watch channels that aren't HD. FoodTV and the Travel Channel are going HD soon and I hope Cox picks those up here. Once those channels go HD, I'll have zero need for non-HD channels at all.

As for Satellite HD, lets see what the "analyst" says after DirecTV puts up their new system with a boatload of HD channels.

I wonder which four cox phoenix dropped. their ads used to say 20 hd channels now its only 16. and some of those are PPV so those really don't count.
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They will be forced to compete with the other services. And once people see HD pix they are convinced. It is obvious.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16155659 Tue, 23 May 2006 18:06:57 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156675 bond787 : Well said man i agree ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156675 Tue, 23 May 2006 17:04:24 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156578 robscullion : Actually, I expect we'll have moved away from the time-slotted, broadcast model of content distribution by then. There's a good chance we'll even be past the idea of a broadcast standard at that point and more into media encoding standards. That is if the current morphing of cable/telcos into data service providers continues to it's logical conclusion of IP based on-demand style programming.

I read the OP's remark to mean that the CCs would be forced to switch to HD by some non-market (IE FCC) force. I cannot tell you the number of times I've heard co-workers say they needed to get an HDTV before the FCC cutoff date. This is people who all have cable. There's a lot of confusion out there on the whole "HD"/FCC thing.

Anyway, I think they'll continue to supply SD content until it's no longer worth the cost. When the cost is higher than the return, they'll tell the 3 people that are left on SD that they need to get an HD box. To me, that's not exactly "being forced" but I admit it's a subjective term.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156578 Tue, 23 May 2006 16:49:15 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156548 SNT : I'm sorry man. I feel for you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156548 Tue, 23 May 2006 16:44:50 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156513 SkullBot : I wish I could get DISH or DIRECTV. However living in a condo I'm stuck with cable. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156513 Tue, 23 May 2006 16:40:42 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156035 SNT : That's more or less due to Brighthouse. I switched to Dish which has more HD content for less money. Then to that you can add the OTA HD which blows away the cable and Sat compressed content.

-SNT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156035 Tue, 23 May 2006 15:40:58 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156025 BF69 :

said by robscullion

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The cable companies will never be forced to switch.

basically they will. Do you think in 2021 HDTV will not be the standard? Of course it will be. Standard TV will be dead long before then. I will be shocked if in 2016 most TV programming isn't in HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16156025 Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:32 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16155828 SkullBot : I bought an HDTV about a month ago. I rushed out and got the SA 8300HD from my cable co. (brighthouse) and subscribed to all the HD content they offer. Having spent some time with it after being on the fence for so long I have to say it is a cool thing however not nearly enough content to justify the price. I dont watch network TV so that dosent count to me. Discovery HD and INHD and HDMAX are the best channels out there right now. I calibrated my TV so it looks really good however I would not recommend it to anyone that is on the fence right now. I mainly got mine for games, DVDs, and to replace a 20 year old broken TV. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16155828 Tue, 23 May 2006 15:09:51 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16155421 cableties : SD is good for NOT seeing Madden's makeup!!!

;)

So the reason 25% watch is that there are only 10 HD channels, and 4 are PPV. Most DVDs confuse folks as the aspect ratios mislead and don't always fill the screens. And some sets don't do a very good job down-samp'n to SD.

I know my HDTV-Ready set is used mostly (correction 100%) for Xbox 360. I'm waiting for new generation of HDTVsets this summer and maybe even longer for SED sets. And HDTV-LCD sets are still evolving...better contrast, faster response time, 1080P...almost makes sense to just use TV for gaming and movies. But I'm not paying more for minimal HD content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16155421 Tue, 23 May 2006 14:12:57 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16155322 yabos : Pretty much every prime time show is in HD now, so there's lots of programming. Discovery Chanel HD, 100% HD programming. PBS HD. Pretty much 80% or more of what I watch is available in HD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16155322 Tue, 23 May 2006 14:00:25 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154600 TKJunkMail :

said by N3OGH

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I have a high def DV and a high def box from Comcast.

Pretty much only thing I watch in HD is sporting events. The Nascar races in HD are awesome...

I agree with you. Sports in HD is just like night and day. They look way better in HD format. And now, almost all prime time series are in HD too. Not as obvious an advantage by having HD when comparing to sports, but it is still better than SD.
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As for Satellite HD, lets see what the "analyst" says after DirecTV puts up their new system with a boatload of HD channels. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154458 Tue, 23 May 2006 11:53:05 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154449 Kearnstd : lack of HD programing is why HD doesnt really matter yet. that said its still no reason not to buy an HDTV, just make sure it has HDMI and HDCP for when the new Policeware DVDs come out.
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Pretty much only thing I watch in HD is sporting events. The Nascar races in HD are awesome...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154401 Tue, 23 May 2006 11:41:25 EDT Re: 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154386 robscullion : The cable companies will never be forced to switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154386 Tue, 23 May 2006 11:38:44 EDT 'Does HD Matter Yet?' http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154330 y2flyy : Good question? Personally I do think currently it matters. To the avg comsumer they would not notice a difference. even if they did it doesn't warrant the cost of service with only few channels available. It will matter once HD is a standard after the cable companies are forced to switch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16154330 Tue, 23 May 2006 11:30:27 EDT