Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 in Rogers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14769820 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:16:56 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:16:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15218938 bigjohn :
said by adam242 :

"Right now this is a market where the consumer has little choice and therefore little power."

You're kidding right? Have you seen how many other providers there are out there? There are dozens of dsl providers. In my area alone i think i can choose from about 20.

You're a lucky one. In my area, there are 2. Bellsouth IFITL or cable. Either way, $50 per month...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15218938 Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:38:27 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15210291 anon : I called Look to buy cable and hi speed only to find out they are also discontinueing Usenet as of Feb. 2, 2006.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15210291 Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:12:58 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15132245 sbrook : Yes there are forums where you will indeed get a lot of help ... especially in that kind of space. Old timers are reluctant to move to these kind of forums!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15132245 Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:20:52 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15131776 Wolfie00 :
said by sbrook See Profile :

So, even for text groups, the usefulness is declining rapidly because of the lack of moderation and ability to post anonymously.
Your earlier points are well taken, and I'd probably go along with your conclusion, too, although how rapidly text groups are declining is a matter of conjecture. Of course the binary groups are thriving but that's another story.

On the other hand, with regard to text groups, there's such a huge variety of them that they still offer the ability to converse or get help in obscure areas where there probably aren't any moderated forums. Here's an example you might appreciate :) I'm running the SIMH simulator for a variety of DEC machines including the DECsystem10, on which I've actually installed TOPS-10 and configured a multi-user timesharing system. But I've never administered a DECsystem10 and was having trouble gettting my "users" set up. To the rescue came alt.sys.pdp10, with generous help from someone who turned out to be a former DEC TOPS-10 developer. Now, where am I going to find a forum with that kind of help :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15131776 Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:13:04 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15124411 sbrook : Just as an FYI, apparently Look internet is also stopping Usenet. I don't use Usenet much, but I do notice that the anonymous offensive postings describing other posters in terms none tooo polite has increased dramatically over the last few years to the point that people seem to just have a good old fashioned vendetta on anyone they choose. So, even for text groups, the usefulness is declining rapidly because of the lack of moderation and ability to post anonymously.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15124411 Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:04:12 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15119626 spaterson : I've been using aioe.cjb.net. It's free, but I don't think they carry binaries. I read a few message groups and it happens to carry them.

I googled "free news servers" and found a list. It even carries rogers.general. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15119626 Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:00:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15118729 anon : so is anybody using newsgroups-download.com ? Their price does seem really good for light usage, 3USD a month. I can't find anything cheaper than that, except the astraweb "buy a chunk of absolute download usage" plan.
Are they a reasonable provider?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15118729 Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:39:39 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15087271 daves11406 : Thanks for pointing that out sbrook,...Rogers is keeping the power in the family,..right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15087271 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:30:13 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15086651 daves11406 : Send it to John Tory, CEO at Rogers and chairman Garfield Emerson to complaim. That's a good starting place. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15086651 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:42:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15086614 sbrook : John Tory is no longer CEO ... it's now Edward Rogers. Tory moved into local and provincial politics.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15086614 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:36:01 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15086568 daves11406 : Follow the link below if you want names John Tory, CEO at Rogers and chairman Garfield Emerson to complaim. That's a good starting place.
COMPLAIN,...PLEASE!

»www.successcare.com/document.cfm···oryID=70]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15086568 Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:26:20 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15079991 sbrook : merogerscable ... this is LAW not LOGIC. You can apply all the LOGIC you want but that isn't the way the law works.

The law is very specific where it deviates from common law - and consumer protection acts do deviate from common law (caveat emptor). So, it is important that you understand the legal definitions of the terms you are bandying around.

Rogers DOES provide notice and they've told you how they will provide notice. That may be unacceptable in the eyes of a court and definitely to you, but according to the law they've met that term. Remember that ignorance in general is NOT considered sufficient defense.

Even arguing that Rogers is providing unsolicited service that you have the right to use and therefore don't have to pay, consider that it the "unsolicited service" concept was meant to cover the scenario such as a garden company has sprayed your lawn. You are under no obligation to pay.

If a garden company arrived on your doorstep with a rental lawnmower that clearly said "property of garden company" and left it there (having delivered it to the wrong place). You used the lawnmower to cut your grass. Now that's not an unsolicited service. They made the mistake of leaving it there ... that gives you no right to use it.

Similarly, you cancel Rogers cable, but they don't come and disconnect you for 2 months and you continue watching. That's not unsolicited service. Generally, Rogers will ignore such scenarios, but they could charge you with theft of service since you knew that you shouldn't be using the service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15079991 Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:20:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15079875 anon : I too am very disppointed in this change!! i did not even get en email from rogers saying they were stopping newsgroup access.. I tend to use my newsgroups a lot.. i think they should of given a choise to the people that want it and they people that don't.. Now they are just going to increase virus's on their system. People are now going to start using more then ever limewire and kazza for downloads. This removal was a stupid move..
:(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15079875 Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:00:45 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15065300 anon : Correct about the EUA and the arbitration provision. Please note that the act you have read is the 2002 act, there is also a previous Consumer Protection Act (which is still in effect). Hehehe, there are TWO Consumer Protection Acts in Ontario :) And then there are the regulations for the acts :)

Actually Rogers has a lot of crap in their EUA that will never hold in a court of law (and they know it).

As for the notice requirement, it is implicit in the Act. The courts have interpreted the act as requiring notice. Namely, as I stated in another post, if the quality of the service that Rogers offers you changes, then it becomes unsolicited service. From the moment it becomes unsolicited, you can ask for a refund of the money paid since the service became unsolicited (24 months contract or not). Rogers can only avoid that by stating "But, look your Honour the client consented to the changes".

According to the Act, the burden is on Rogers to prove that the consumer has consented to the change in service(even if by affirmative action).

Now, logically, how can Rogers say that you consented to the change, if Rogers didn't EVEN bother to give you notice of the change? You simply CANNOT consent to something of which you have no knowledge of :) Always apply your logic :)

I mean, yeah, nobody is going to send Rogers executives to jail for not sending notices, however they do that at their own peril.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15065300 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:27:30 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15064749 sbrook : Well, I just read the CPA and cannot find any instance of where notice is required.

However there were lots of interesting things in the CPA regarding things like no waiver of rights, like Rogers want to take you to arbitration. If you don't agree to it, you can take them to court in spite of what the EUA says.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15064749 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:06:55 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15064510 anon : "Rogers of course in their TOS says they don't have to tell their users."

However, the Consumer Protection Act makes that mandatory.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15064510 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:35:46 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15062891 sbrook : Note that it DOES NOT say that they HAVE to notify you. It just says that notification of changes may occur in any of those ways. Putting it in the faq is satisfied by number iv).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15062891 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:52:27 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15062258 rturnock : I thought Rogers was supposed to notify us:

Service Modifications; Amendments. We may at any time and from time to time amend or modify this Agreement and/or any fees, features or other aspects of your Services upon notice to you and without your consent. Notification may be provided using one or more of the following methods: (i) postcard or letter mailed to
your billing address; (ii) bill message or insert; (iii) e-mail to one or more of your Rogers’ e-mail accounts; (iv) posting on www.rogers.com; (v) posting on »rogers.yahoo.com; (vi) newspaper ad; or (vii) speaking to you or leaving a message for you.

I never received notice and I don't think answering a question in an FAQ about why a service is changing amounts to notification that it is changing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15062258 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:20:25 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15060972 anon : Big surprise. Shaw will be next.

But hey, it's a good thing you're all concious consumers, right? After all, none of you would be foolish enough to have a Rogers mobile phone contract, now would you? And of course you all certainly wouldn't even consider Rogers cable tv, right?

Ever heard of letting your wallet do your talking? I've never understood why anyone would purchase any product/service from Rogers. But then again, I've never understood why anyone would purchase an amerikan made car either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15060972 Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:01:12 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15060325 bellyman : HA! I live in Richmans Hill.. and Shaw use to own this territory along with Markham and even Scarberia.

First, the infrastructure in Scarberia is BRUTAL - Rogers hasn't or has been very slow to upgrade that area (read - not enough $$ from customers who can't afford I suppose).

Here during upgrades a couple of years ago I ended up leaving Rogers for Bell (they didn't then and still have no working nntp). I came back to Rogers knowing the speed is back to normal (thanks to those garbage cans along the road) and figured I will save money (VIP - Very Important Pest). Well I never dropped DSL and suck B/W each month on both services.

At any rate, I am surprised to this day that Shaw would abandon one of North America's fastest growing areas --- not that they "thought about buying" but that they HAD Markham/Richmond Hill and left. At any rate I hear they swapped territories with Rogers and yes agree I have heard good things with Shaw.

Well at least with cable we have choice. Rogers or nothing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15060325 Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:40:12 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14995176 AR : They can tell you to leave because you have no contract with them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14995176 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:34:51 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14995171 benjaminva : Out east you guys are getting screwed, there is no way around it. When I bring my comp to my parents place in Toronto for Christmas I won't be doing any downloading or anything, just not worth it. Here in Calgary, Shaw high speed, 5mb down, 512k up. Usnet, 600 kb/s download, yeah thats right, downloading from the usenets at 600 kb/s, now thats fast for a Canadian ISP. The price for this luxury, $42 taxes included per month, with us buying the modem for $65. 1 gig in half an hour, makes getting those tv shows that I didn't have time to watch a breeze. Eastern ISP's are just screwing you all, thats the plain and simple part right now.
Opps, had not changed my profile in a long while, Calgary Alberta is this magical place I speak of, just thought that I would let you know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14995171 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:34:15 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14995157 spaterson : I don't know if this has been said before, but I think the discontinuation of the newsgroups was planned right from the moment they switched it over to Giganews. The Giganews move was the first step in an attempt to wean people off them. I'd bet that Rogers didn't even pay Giganews anything for providing us with the service. They got a short-term free ride in trade for free promotion for Giganews and once it was cut off, Giganews would hopefully pick up some new paying customers in return.

I have no proof. Just a gut feeling that makes a lot of sense, imho.

BTW... I've got an ongoing debate/battle with Rogers via email. After two or three canned responses from them, and bitching about the lack of a human response, I finally got what looks like a human. I've been pushing to get a discount and they're not budging. They kept throwing the "extra offerings" at me, so I sent them links to where all of their free offerings can be had by anyone, for free. Now they're making comparisons to Mac customers, and how the Mac users pay the same price even though the extras that Rogers offers can't be used on a Mac, and again restating that I'm only paying for internet access and nothing else.

"Not every Rogers customer accesses Usenet through our servers. Those customers who do not, pay the same monthly amount as you do now. To further illustrate, many of our customers use Apple based computers. These customers are unable to use the various Rogers Yahoo applications because there is no Macintosh compatible versions. These customers also pay the same monthly amount as you. Your monthly amount is for the internet service and not the additional free enhancements we provide.
Because you are not being charged separately for the Usenet access your monthly amount will remain the same after it is discontinuation."


My response to that was "Apple users are well aware of what they can and cannot do BEFORE they first sign up for your services. Unlike my situation, I am getting reduced services AFTER signing up with Rogers. So, your comparison between PC based and Apple based customers is pointless."

I'm stubborn. And I don't even use the newsgroups for binaries or other such stuff. I just read 'em.

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14995157 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:31:50 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994287 sbrook : I think the biggest issue is that Rogers takes their disdain for their customers one step further than a lot of other companies. Instead of embracing the customers, it's more like "this company would be fantastic if we didn't have to deal with customers".

Time to remember that customers ARE what makes them the money in the end. You can only trick people so many times before they become resentful.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

This isn't the Hate Rogers forum ... it's a forum where Rogers users congregate (since Rogers censored and eventually took away their own forum!) As is usually the case, people don't post when things are good. But of late the number of negatives out of Rogers has been high ... so there's a lot of complaining. Can you blame them really? Come on, be honest! How often do you want to be messed up by a company who seems to have no respect for their customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994287 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:45:30 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994148 anon : "Do you really think that Rogers is one of those companies that respects its customers? Take a look at its history. It was stated on the news last week that Rogers is in the top 5 wealthiest in all of Canada. Do you think they became wealthy by respecting people, or by walking all over everyone?
"

Show me a corporation that isn't like this? THEY ALL DO IT. The difference is the customers who aren't happy with the service are the ones to complain obviously. And you came to THE hate on Rogers forum. Search any big company out there and you will find negative and positive.

You made a good statement about corporations in general. However you could remove Rogers and insert jsut about any other company and it would fit nicely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994148 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:22:35 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994081 sbrook : Probably because going at your max, you're still not a threat to digital Phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994081 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:12:36 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994027 anon : Okay, explain this.

I had Rogers High Speed. I use BitTorrent and for quite awhile now the downloads have been going anywhere from 0 to 3 kbps. Only 1 download at a time. I switched to Rogers High Speed UltraLite (financial reasons) and now my downloads go at 14-15 kbps. I know the cap for ultralite is supposed to be 12.8kbps, but it says it's downloading at 14-15. So basically since I downgraded BitTorrent is 5x faster. Go figure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14994027 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:04:49 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14993248 albundyhere : Do you really think that Rogers is one of those companies that respects its customers? Take a look at its history. It was stated on the news last week that Rogers is in the top 5 wealthiest in all of Canada. Do you think they became wealthy by respecting people, or by walking all over everyone?

And why would anyone in their right mind switch to their local phone service even though it would cost the same? Total waste of time me thinks.

Welcome to Rogers, How may I screw your money today? :D

And its still the Skydome to me! :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14993248 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:10:15 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14976341 salan :
said by guydogg :

astrawebs unlimited account is similiar to rogers capped speeds. Their pay by download accounts is unlimited speed.
actually their are 2 astraweb unlimited accounts. one is capped at 100kb/s for $10, the other unlimited speed at $15. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14976341 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:24:01 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14974499 anon : astrawebs unlimited account is similiar to rogers capped speeds. Their pay by download accounts is unlimited speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14974499 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:18:48 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14958969 anon : yeah im so fed up with rogers, if i happen to go over their stupid cap, im switching to sympatico!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14958969 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:06:53 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14958791 Wolfie00 :
said by mordin See Profile :

Anything, up and down, through the Rogers internet connection counts toward your bandwidth limit.
True, but as far as anyone can tell lately, there's little or no enforcement -- I suspect because their useless bandwidth measurement tool is so buggy. In any case many people like me are so fed up with Rogers at this point that any more BS from them like harrassment about going over the bandwidth cap will have us over to DSL in a flash :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14958791 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:40:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14957217 mordin :
said by SkankButta :

This may be a stupid question, but if I get a Usenet service (Newshosting), does it also count against my Rogers dl limit when I dl through their servers?
Anything, up and down, through the Rogers internet connection counts toward your bandwidth limit.
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Thanks!

And Rogers phone lines are garbage. I cancelled their cell phone service a year ago because I would go 10 minutes from my house in London, still in London, and I would see "roaming". Not to mention how I could never get a strong signal.... Rogers is junk!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14957124 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 01:18:36 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14956159 spaterson :
said by sbrook See Profile :

You'll get another canned answer. Quite possibly the same one!
Hehe, no doubt. At least I get some satisfaction knowing that they're paying someone to send these to me. :)

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14956159 Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:30:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14955370 sbrook : You'll get another canned answer. Quite possibly the same one!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14955370 Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:31:11 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14955305 spaterson : I got a reply from Rogers about my complaint about this. Their email started with an apology for taking so long, they are "are currently receiving higher email volume than normal". What a surprise. :D

They fed me the same line that they used when I complained about the web space. That it's not a service we pay for, blah, blah, blah.. then proceeded to list all of the "high-value" extras that they offer at no additional charge, blah, blah, blah...

I didn't even ask for a discount in my original email and they added that they are unable to reduce the monthly charge. Seems like a canned response attemtping to cut off any such requests before they're even asked.

I asked them to tell me what advantages there are to remaining with Rogers. What "high-value" extras are they giving me that I can't get elsewhere for free. Why I shouldn't switch to something cheaper, like 3web.

We shall see what kind of response I get.

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14955305 Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:26:42 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14955239 anon : they need the banwidth! For there phone line. More money:mad: ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14955239 Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:19:43 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14954954 AR : In the larger scheme of things, Rogers still comes out waay ahead because unless everyone signs up for Giganews and pays more, they have saved money on the cost for providing usenet access.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14954954 Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:44:15 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14946563 Wolfie00 : Well, I just signed up with the Giganews 25Gb/mo service -- just because I've always been so impressed with these guys' technology.

I happened to see some stuff I really wanted to download that was about 10Gb worth so I figured may as well do it now...

And now I'm burning up Rogers' bandwidth like never before ... maxing it out :D I was happy to get the slow feeds for free, but the morons wanted to save a few bucks, and now there's smoke coming out of their CMTS's :D:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14946563 Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:14:06 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14944780 kastleK2L :
said by bellyman See Profile :

...
Easynews has rollovers plus their added bonus stuff. I heard service hasn't been good lately - again very subjective. You can get about 30GB/mth with them. ...
I've been with Easynews since 1998. I've had no problem with them ... lately, the speed is right at the top of our capability. I just upgraded from the 5MB Extreme to 6MB Extreme, and my download speed from Easynews went up accordingly. Their retention is about 29 days. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14944780 Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:26:14 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14942384 mordin : Newsguy is offering a free month service to Rogers customers. Their list of groups is limited and I can't find anything about retention.
»newsguy.com/rogers.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14942384 Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:32:13 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14940380 salan : add astraweb to that list. they are pretty reputable and offer plans both unlimited montly plans, or pay once and keep using the allowed gb until they run out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14940380 Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:06:22 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14939184 bellyman : Well they do offer 4 tiers - 3rd being 2GB/day for $9.95/mth. Doesn't appear to be any lock in required.

For myself and the 60GB cap that would work out fine. As I stated I have both Rogers + Bell -- the only negative is that the IP domain changes (69. and 70.) and unless capped, some company might think I am sharing.

But it is all very subjective - each person has their own needs.

If you sit hunched over a PC all day searching every group in tarnation you could live with a service that has about 2 weeks retention. If you are scanning stuff in NewzBin and see something that is 50d old, then the only choice is Giganews.

Easynews has rollovers plus their added bonus stuff. I heard service hasn't been good lately - again very subjective. You can get about 30GB/mth with them.

Today all of us are now playing the game of Survivor - thrown on the island and have to fend for ourselves.

But I will say this.. up to now I have only seen a couple of services so just knowing the "name" is good enough for me. As you don't have lockins, what is $10 this month and $14 somewhere else next month, then $26 the following until you find the one that just "works great". Nothing.

Easynews.com
Giganews.com
Newshosting.com
Forteinc.com (From the makers of Agent)
Newsgroups-download.com

Lately I have found my newsgroup d/l has all but dried up - but that is the nature of the beast - sometimes you download until you fill the drive othertimes it is dry. This is where an account like Easynews is great since they are rolling over your unused from one month to another.

Another angle (for those that are CAP watching) - My billing date is the 17th. So in theory I could sign up for Giganews for $25US, around the 5th - download my 60GB... have it roll into the new period and then by the 23rd cancel Giganews. Then wait until the next "120GB" set. To augment --- use Newzbin to queue up your posts (they are cheap at like $0.60/week) and as an added bonus -- Giganews retention is about 50-60 days. So such a plan would work out fine. Something to think about.

BTW: I heard people bitching about the torrents - I assume they "work" but just Throttled? What is the throttled part? Both ways or uplink only? (I know uplink is fixed at about 48.1kB/sec). Just wondering. Bell seems to be doing nothing on the torrent stuff. I have shifted a lot of downloading from newsgroups to torrents actually. (part of why my ng d/l has dried up I think)

After a number of emails with Rogers (my stance is LOSS OF SERVICE + SAME PRICE = PRICE INCREASE) is that they offered newsgroups for free. I stated I guess most of the 500 channels on the TV are free, and we just have to wait for them to be cut too huh? Chuckle).

Happy Holidays all!
bellyman

PS: We all wish to thank Ted for his wonderful xmas present. We know it isn't the first and won't be the last way that he will screw us. All hail Ted. He reminds me of Plankton -- "I am going to rule the world".. then is squashed by SpongeBob -- metaphorically I hope we are all Spongebob...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14939184 Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:52:34 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14935080 sbrook : Misleading, maybe, false, No.

You left out a few important words to make your point.

it says "as low as 2.95"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14935080 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:48:31 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14935044 anon : »www.newsgroups-download.com/

this provider has falls advertising:

2.95$

Get instant access to Usenet newsgroups today !

» No download or upload limits!
» High-speed Internet connections
» Service available to users from any country
» Excellent completion and retention rates (20+ days)
» Your username and password activates instantly

But there is no such thing, when you order you only have:

500MB/DAY - 8 streams/connections for 2.95$

Whereas the actual unlimited is 14.95$

Newshosting is the way to go, not this fraud.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14935044 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:43:00 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14932926 anon : In my experience newshosting is the best for 15$

Maybe if You get 3web for 35 and newshosting for 15 Total of = 50$ maybe it will be good for some.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14932926 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:34:23 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14932547 notimpressed5 : For a good review of many Usenet providers, try this link:

»www.newsgroupservers.net

YMMV...

Sorry if this link has been posted before.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14932547 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:36:46 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14931616 anon : Definitely worth doing homework on; I've used Giganews as well but there are cheaper alternatives out there. I'm using »www.newsgroups-download.com/ now. Been great so far but will report with more info as my experience grows.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14931616 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:17:03 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14930335 sbrook : For alternative ISPs see the "Canadian Broadband" forum.»Canadian Broadband]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14930335 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:40:28 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14929284 anon : Ok...so since all I DO use is newsgroups and the occassional email. What's the option here? A cheap ISP+cheap newsgroup subscription?

Anyone know of any?

Thanks Rogers..."As a relatively arcane part of the Internet, Usenet is not configured by... "

Signed an "Arcane" user.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14929284 Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:06:00 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14928868 spaterson :
said by LMO :

FYI

Just got an email from rogers annoincing its "Added nalue" yo my service, it was only sent to two of my five email accounts
Hehe yeh, I got it as well. On all of my email accounts. Unfortunately for them, they used a valid email address to send it from, so you can reply to it. I did. I got a canned response saying that my support request was successfully sent to the support team and it gave me a case number.

We'll see what poor excuse they try to pass off.

Scott
(I rarely used the newsgroups, but I'm in a pissy mood so I felt like bitchin' to them. Time to make them spend a little money in manpower) :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14928868 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:09:05 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14928132 bellyman : The problem is, Bell (why is beyond me) doesn't seem to want to improve their customer service.

My buddy has ExpressVU. He goes to them and wants to RENT a HD PVR. They say "sorry, you are not a new customer, you must purchase the PVR". Can you believe that???? He was a longtime customer and was PREVENTED from renting!!

Everyone knows (or you are living in Ted's hole too long!) that only about 20% of the Rogers customers would recommend them. So why hasn't Bell done ANYTHING in the way of trying to get those customers?

Part of the problem is technology. I am not convinced that the hassles and "potential no TV during bad weather" and quite frankly the picture, is better with ExpressVU.

Internet is different.
(A) Rogers Express - 48kB/s UPLINK
(B) Bell HighSpeed - 78kB/S uplink (Ultra btw is same uplink which I think is shit!)
The other beauty with BELL - you can obtain a different IP. I was doing some stock feed sucking from Yahoo - they actually cut me - I couldn't do queries on their site. I then changed the IP and was back in again.

(Oddly when I did some tests about 6 mths ago I found that both services were about the same on the downlink

With Rogers, as far as I am converned, the only thing you can do to keep happiness in your home is -- get all your services - exactly what you will want for years to come, and lock in for the long haul (ie rely on the grandfathering to work its magic). And you have to think smart. When Rogers made the switch from second billing to minute billing, I locked in my 200mins and unlimited nights/weekends. I was talking more then and opted for an ADD-ON 100 minutes for $14. Yes it was more than say switching to a 300 or 400 minute plan, but the beauty - when I wasn't requiring the 100 minutes anymore, I could just "remove it". If I had the 400m plan and wanted to move down to 200m, I would be adjusting my plan and forced to flip from second to minute billing. YES today I have by the second billing still. Funny I got a call 3mths ago and they stated they would offer me a hardware credit and keep my existing plan. Dubious I thought at best.

I dunno -- I must be in the dark. For some reason Bell is responsible up to the DEMARK point in your home. Then you can do whatever you want. Bell was forced to open up its lines to allow 3rd party companies to offer HOME service. Further they must resell their DSL.

Rogers bot SPrint - they can offer HOME PHONE.

So someone explain to me why Bell cannot get into the CABLE business? Why can't I buy my Cable programming through Bell or Telus or Primus etc? Why can I not buy my INTERNET service - on the same FAT PIPE through A&B Internet Services Inc.

WHY?

Writing Ted Rogers and his kid is USELESS IMO. I would rather spend the time in writing my MP and the Canadian Radio & Telecommication Coneheads in Ottawa why, in 2005, I am forced to use ROGERS and yet not forced to use BELL.

(I agree that anyone that has everything with Rogers, or with Bell et al just to save money is playing a bad game. One service disruption; one account problem; one missed payment - and its lights out. And when you LOCK INTO their plans - why should they provide good customer support? They don't think you will pay the penalty to get out!! Rogers has made it easier - 5% discount with 2 services? HA! Doesn't even cover 1/3 of the TAX we pay.. so F*THEM*ALL!)

Cheers all!
belly]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14928132 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:30:50 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14927925 KyeU :
said by sbrook See Profile :

I can't live without HiSpeed Internet ... business relies on it ... and I can't get anything else here. I'd dump Rogers in a heartbeat if there was an alternative.
Amen to that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14927925 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:06:40 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14927693 sbrook : I can't live without HiSpeed Internet ... business relies on it ... and I can't get anything else here. I'd dump Rogers in a heartbeat if there was an alternative.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14927693 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:36:46 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14927649 anon : Basically we can't do a thing. It's sad. We consumers have to follow their rule.:(
Unless everyone acts, at the same time, by cancelling the service all together. Doesn't have to be long. A month or two. Cable TV is not a necessity. I can live without it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14927649 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:31:41 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14925775 salan :
said by NOUSENAME :

With people who use text Newsgroup or don't use any Newsgroup, fall back to use a Lite version of Internet Cable that save you some money cause you don't need the EXTREME speed to surf the net and check your mail.
bell/rogers provides their own services to the other isps... so ur still using either bells or rogers backbone]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14925775 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:26:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924661 sbrook : "We've introduced things that you can get for free from Yahoo! anyway"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924661 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:52:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924619 anon : FYI

Just got an email from rogers annoincing its "Added nalue" yo my service, it was only sent to two of my five email accounts

here it is
"Dear Valued Customer



Please be advised that Rogers is discontinuing its Usenet service as of December 15, 2005.



Internet technology is constantly changing. Usenet was one of the earliest forms of user discussion on the Internet, but today has largely been replaced by blogs, instant messaging, personal web pages and other tools. As a result, fewer and fewer people are accessing Usenet.



Therefore, Rogers has decided to stop providing Usenet service to Rogers Yahoo! customers.



Alternatives

To stay at the leading edge of new technology, we’ve introduced new and better ways to communicate – all available at no additional charge to Rogers Yahoo! customers:



Instant messaging
»ca.messenger.yahoo.com/

Groups
»ca.groups.yahoo.com/

Personal web pages
»ca.geocities.yahoo.com/

Blogs
»360.yahoo.com/

Photos
»ca.photos.yahoo.com/




Customers with a continuing desire to read or post Usenet text messages or who wish to access Usenet binary groups can subscribe to third-party Usenet service providers such as Giganews (our supplier up until the point when we discontinue Usenet) who offer a full Usenet service on a paid basis: »www.giganews.com/



Once again, thank you for your loyalty to Rogers and your continued business.

- Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet"

oh no Rogers THANK YOU again for your money grabbing antics

LONG LIVE TED ROGERS!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14924619 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:47:26 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922827 sbrook : Bell wasn't broken up ... it's just that the technology is capable of having someone other than Bell deliver your local service over Bell's lines and pay Bell for wholesale cost of the line. That facility doesn't exist for cable. There aren't frequencies available on the cable to send another 100 analogue and up to 500 digital channels for a different provider.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922827 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:10:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922800 anon : Tried LOOK for home TV cable. It's not available in my building. Thanks for the suggestion though.

I represent a typical Torontonian. Living in an apartment, not facing the CN Tower, and not in a building hooked up with Look or ExpressVU (non satellite). As far as I can tell our only option for cable is Rogers. I wonder why this monopoly hasn't been broken-up like Bell was?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14922800 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:05:38 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14921633 anon : For TV alternatives in D/T Toronto, you might be able to try Look TV. I'm not sure if they're taking new customers now or not (the company has gone through a fair bit of financial difficulty... not sure where they stand now), but several apartments in the city have been wired for it. It receives digital cable signals transmitted from the CN Tower to a receiver on the roof, then patches into the building cable system.

»www.look.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14921633 Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:25:50 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14918868 anon : Why people keep switching back and forth from Bell and Rogers. It's a pity to be tossing around between them. These are not the ONLY ISP in Toronto. There are still lots of other DSL companies. BOTH Bell AND Rogers sucks anyway. No point going back to Bell. Don't forget Bell was the one started to cut the Newsgroup. Wake up...

With people who use text Newsgroup or don't use any Newsgroup, fall back to use a Lite version of Internet Cable that save you some money cause you don't need the EXTREME speed to surf the net and check your mail. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14918868 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:21:37 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14918588 anon : As soon as I heard about this I called Rogers to complain and to downgraded from High Speed ($45) to Ultralite ($20). I don't plan on staying with Ultralite (too slow for $20 a month) but it'll do until I find another provider.

I want to break all ties with Rogers so I'm also looking for another TV cable provider but I'm not having ANY luck whatsoever. I live downtown Toronto in an apartment facing North (so a satellite dish is out of the question). Are there any alternatives to Rogers as a TV cable provider? I inquired with "Bell ExpressVu for condos" but they only serve a few select condos at the moment (and I'm in a apartment anyhow).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14918588 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:48:15 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14911391 anon : Yeah, many of us will be going over the numbers in the next two weeks. For me it'll be either Easynews or Giganews.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14911391 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:15:00 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14909102 Wolfie00 : Whether you stay with Rogers or not, on the general topic of the newsgroup termination, I just noticed that Giganews (my favourite, and yes, there are many many others and most are cheaper) has now implemented new tiers, possibly because Rogers is not the only ISP defecting. There's now a choice of a 25GB/mo and 50GB/mo service in between the 2 and 10GB services and the unlimited. FYI...:)

Silver Single User Account
25GB per Month
10 Concurrent Connections
$12.99 per Month

Gold Single User Account
50GB per Month
10 Concurrent Connections
$18.99 per Month

Platinum Single User Account
Unlimited Access
10 Concurrent Connections
$24.99 per Month]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14909102 Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:24:30 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14900552 sbrook : (A) Definitely a red herring ... because that's not what the recording and motion picture people are doing. I feel sorry for your company getting trashed like that ... clearly grossly unfair. Although I worked for a company who did buy the software products of another company. We generally acknowledged companies statements that they were licensed unless we had reason to believe otherwise. Only if they upgraded and wanted an "upgrade" price did we normally demand evidence of a full license.

(C) Various ISPs have tried metering ... it's generally full of possibilities for contention. I know of people who would go away for a month (on Rogers), power all off, get home and find they'd magically consumed over 100GB according to Rogers counters ... and others who've consumed over 200GB and be told their consumption was nearly 0. It's the unreliability that's the problem here and why caps aren't enforced.

I agree that going with your own domain for email is better than what Rogers offers ... I don't even use webmail (HATE webmail except in an emergency to clean up mailboxes while travelling)

One of the big issues with Rogers is not so much that they do these things ... it's always done with no notification and silly spin control applied.

You're right, the constant theme for all that happens with Rogers is profit driven without doing much to provide customer satisfaction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14900552 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:51:15 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14900392 bellyman : (A) BTW: My company was sued - had zero to do with any of this (our company bot rights to software; another company bot the bankrupt company then came after us saying our rights meant nothing).

(B) Thanks for the CAP info. never aware of all that.

(C) Metered stuff. Good point, but still think it is something of the future. My overall point is - the commidity is bandwidth. Everyone speaks of what next Rogers will eliminate. Yes maybe their tie with Yahoo.

People are better off signing key emailing services with companies like Fastmail et al. (you can register your own domain with Godaddy and forward accounts right to your web account -- avoiding the likes of Rogers (yahoo) and Bell (MSN)).

I added a bandwidth tool to my PC and it seemed to track quite nicely with Rogers (oddly Rogers was a tad higher a few times but overall was a tad under). Tool actually gave you breakdowns per day and auto-reset each month. The email alert (EVERY X GB or when you hit a max) was a good idea but based on old non-authenticated SMTP standards.

(C) Yes well of course they will never say "because of copyright materials" but look to other issues. But lets put it this way..if I go to Google Images and find/dl child porn - that isn't Rogers fault - its Googles. If a user goes to Giganews and pays - and they are sued, Rogers says "we never offered Giganews". ie Rogers is wiping their hands of everything.

I have just been reading through 11 pages here and there seems to be this constant cost issue brought up. Teds idea is to make money and screw as many customers as possible (who doesn't anymore?).

This weekend they had a discussion of the upsizing - McDonalds started it -- where you buy X for $4 and then get like 2X for just $6 - so why not pay $6? I had Rogers Basic Digital VIP - I had a few add-ons. For just pennies more I could get VIP Ultimate and get everything. Ted wants you in the $89 plan from the get go and makes it difficult to "have choice" (which is what they advertise)

I didn't know they actually flipped around the BETTER BUNDLES as of NOV 1 - to a 5,10,15% tiered system. To get the 15% now, you have to get EVERYTHING with them.

Well my problem in September - affected my TV viewing but didn't affect my Internet or Cell. But the CSR said "just in case, I am going to remove your services from the ONE BILL - we will resolve that after but I don't want anything else to go wrong".

I wonder about all this stuff -- I mean today I can't make a payment - decide between Bell or Rogers.. but if everything is with Rogers, can you say "can you please apply my money to my HOME PHONE only and I will try to pay the others when I can?". Imagine no cell; no home phone; no surfing and no TV by some accounting screw up.

Yup, Better Choice Bundles are the way to go! ;-)

Cheers!
belly]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14900392 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:28:31 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14899524 sbrook : Remember that Rogers were the first on the block to indicate they were going to implement caps. Then Bell came along and did it before Rogers did because of the difficulty to implement them. THEN Rogers saw the fun that Bell was having, losing subscribers and then their not enforcing their caps at all so clearly opted NOT to cap. Then Rogers implemented floating caps ... the ones where you had no idea what amount you were capped at or how much you had consumed.

Finally Rogers implemented fixed caps and isn't currently enforcing them.

The problem with metered service for internet is that the technology isn't accurate enough and there's too much garbage that you didn't ask for that comes your way. Just like the problem of unsolicited calls to your cellphone ... YOU pay, not the caller.

The issue of Child Porn is a red herring, because there are lots of other sources of that than just newsgroups.

Rogers has never wanted to do "rebilling of services" provided by others ... that puts them in the middle in billing disputes etc.

Actually I don't think your company was sued ... it's a standard RIAA tactic of saying "if you don't settle, we will sue". In other words, it's extortion. Getting rid of Usenet doesn't get rid of that problem at all. P2P services are still very active. There are still lots of Usenet providers and Rogers still transports the bits. (The old argument that an ISP is like a common carrier doesn't totally hold legal water ... if the ISP, for example, were to pull down Usenet *because of copyright materials*, then that indicates they DO take responsibility for them and that then opens the door wide to the RIAA and other copyright organisations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14899524 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:21:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14899378 bellyman : First I had problems with my Digital TV service in September. The PVR service was discontinued for almost 2 weeks. The compensation I asked for adequate. However, I wrote both Ted's son (Presidente) and the executive office (Cc) before it was resolved. To this date I have received ZERO reply to my complaint and concerns (about the compression quality of the digital offerings).

(tip: the more you wait and make the odd call without getting into too much of a fuss, the better chance you get more from them when you bitch once it is fixed; part of it is also WHAT you ask for -- to call and say "I want a reduction of $10/mth because I don't have Giganews" is ludicrous.).

I actually have Ultra ($50) DSL with Bell and Rogers ($45) Express. I was using Rogers exclusively for newsgroups and partly as a backup (since I do work from home/trade stocks and require the internet no matter what).

I went to compare services today and saw they upped the Extreme cap to 100GB. But noticed the LITE seems to downgrade in speed and removes a couple of emails, but otherwise retains (foolish for them) 60GB cap- yet is $10 cheaper than Express.

So I am wondering how much slower LITE is compared to Express. I figure if I downgrade the speed -- and subscribe to a $$ newsserver, I at least can save $10.70/mth.

(Lets face it -- even at a alower speed, if you D/L everyday via ROGERS, you are moving about 5200MB/mth you hit the cap in 12 days.. so I figure the lower I go in service speed, isn't going to kill me overall; ie moving from 2 slow channels to unlimited - I still have a cap.. the question is how long will it take to hit it?)

To me Ted always is out to cut costs -- two HUGE ones have just been resolved with one cut -- (A) Cost to pay Giganews on behalf of its customers (B) The possible LEGAL costs if THEY (Movie studios/Record labels et al) take it on themeselves to sue the ISPs. I was sued (as a programmer) - actually all of us in a company - the company and employees were sued for $1M each. My boss said before that ever happened - "we have zero problems". Many years and legal costs later, (my company) settled. So if anyone here figures ISPs can't be held liable -- I say "WTF KNOWS?".

My buddy and I thought what Rogers was doing (offering Giganews for free) was insane anyways. The issue cannot be cost in my mind. Otherwise, Rogers TODAY would say "we no longer will offer this service for free, but instead we will offer these levels of service". May not have been similar $$ as Giganews, but I am sure Giganews could offer tiered service to Rogers -- if not a simple flat "$10/mth" for news.

So that leads me toward the legal issues and then, yes, child pornography. I thought there was a Canadian ruling -- not favorable eliminating the problem. However, I can say this - I was downloading pictures from groups - if you download a SERIES of pictures they would be ok. But as soon as you said "download everything" - you got spam alright, but also the odd child pornography picture. So for someone to say "eliminate some groups" - to me if I can post anything to any group, you cannot pick and choose.

Finally Bell isn't so hot. They haven't had newsgroups for frigging YEARS.

To me I would actually prefer sourcing everything. I think they should be treating the net like Hydro or Gas. Cost for basic connection and 20GB is $X1 .. each additional GB up to $50GB is $X2.. and the more you go the cheaper it gets. Perhaps some prepaid things. I am sure if money is what Ted wants, axing this isn't the only thing..

(Remember that Bell had CAPS way before Rogers.. and they still haven't added them back).

Cheers all...
belly]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14899378 Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:35 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14885906 sbrook : At this time there is no evidence that Rogers will throttle nntp packets. There's no real benefit (other than reducing bit consumptioin) compared with making P2P nearly unusable.

But, I've been wrong before with my Crystal Ball, and could probably be wrong again.

Bottom line, don't get caught in a bundled contract.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14885906 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:37:29 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14885791 phyberoptix : So my question is this:

If I subscribe to a news feed, will my connection be throttled?

I won't be pleased if I subscribe and I am throttled...

Sbrook, any input?

Thanks,
Phyberoptix
--
Cant' get your kids to leave home? Stop cooking with cheese!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14885791 Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:15:27 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14882298 anon : From what I remember, 3web doesn't have newsgroups, and that was one of the key reasons I went with rogers. If rogers removes newsgroups, I could switch to 3web and put the extra $10-15 per month towards a giganews account that's not throttled, and call it a "service enhancement". ;) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14882298 Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:15:57 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14848057 Wolfie00 :
said by sallae See Profile :

however, alternative nntp (for an extra charge) service combined with Rogers cap limit simply doesn't make sense to use Rogers
For all intents and purposes, as far as I'm concerned Rogers no longer has any caps.

After all the problems I've had with Rogers with every single service I've ever had from them -- broadband, cable, cellphone -- but especially their astounding incompetence in the broadband area -- the only thing preventing me from cancelling right now and going to DSL for broadband and enhancing the ExpressVu service I already have to replace all digital cable services -- is just sheer laziness.

But since I'm so much on the edge WRT cancelling all services with that pack of monkeys, guess how much I care about bandwidth caps now :D AFAIK, if Rogers "threatens" to cut me off, they're just helping me make the *good* decision that I should have made anyway :) And they can take their digital cable and their PVR too, and stick it where the sun never shines ... ExpressVu is far better quality anyway, IMHO. I am one customer that has just been pushed too far, too often.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14848057 Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:58:35 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14847886 sallae : for nzb

»www.binsearch.info/

removal of the service is not a big problem, since many isp have poor nntp, therefore for a good nntp one have to pay extra ...
and that extra charge for appropriate nntp service would still be ok ...
however, alternative nntp (for an extra charge) service combined with Rogers cap limit simply doesn't make sense to use Rogers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14847886 Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:28:08 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14841882 drunkgoat : i had a bad experience with 100proof ....just letting you know...

using newshosting now and have no problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14841882 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:52:36 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14840950 shudwein :
said by ftw37 See Profile :

That 100proofnews.com looks pretty good. Unlimited, uncapped access for $12.95/month. I may switch there myself after December 15.
If you sign for 1 yr at www.newshosting.com it works out to be the same.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14840950 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:09:29 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14840076 ftw37 : That 100proofnews.com looks pretty good. Unlimited, uncapped access for $12.95/month. I may switch there myself after December 15.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14840076 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:20:23 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14839428 sbrook : Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. As to selling according to bandwidth consumption ... that's not yet the way the N. Am. industry has gone, so trying to implement that model will be hard.

Even if all 3% of newsgroup users quit rogers, it's not going to be too big a hit on their bottom line, since a) they've eliminated a lot of high bandwidth consumers, and b) they're not paying giganews.

They aren't going to hurt very much at all!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14839428 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:17:00 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14839355 anon : This issue is irritating in two ways, first Roger's is limiting access to the internet. have they discontinued access to gopher or wais servers. no!
roger's is just trying to reduce bandwidth consumers. second, low bandwidth consumers have always subsidized high bandwidth users. instead of charging the way they should have in the first place, per byte, they've decided to eliminate the service.

the real solution to the problem should be for Roger's to be honest with it's customers. Provide an a la carte service. they should sell pipe (at a significantly reduced price) and then charge for the extras.

They will soon see that pushing their customers to third party providers has a significant impact on their bottom line.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14839355 Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:42 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14808455 sbrook : They "may" charge ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14808455 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:45:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14808414 accat13 : @ mike61 you better call today you have to give 30 days notice for cancellation.So its very close to that time.I hope you don't have any bundles with Rogers they will charge you a penalty for cancellation...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14808414 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:34:06 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14808300 sbrook : Yeah .... "Yours, as in an existing user's web space will have..." not "New Customers' web space will have..."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14808300 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:00:11 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14807753 mike61 : As soon as Ted unplugs Giga News I am going to Bell for good!!
I swear Ted has a red button at his house on his desk that he presses every time he wants to cancels one are services]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14807753 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:53:20 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14807405 mordin :
said by spaterson See Profile :

If the webspace wasn't active when they did the switch, then it'll have ads. If it was active, it's ad-free. Since you just set it up, you got ads. :(
Wrong, Rogers original announcement was:

As part of our ongoing commitment to give you better control over your Internet experience, we are upgrading you to an ad-free Rogers Yahoo! GeoCities service and retiring the old WebSpace servers.

YOUR ROGERS YAHOO! GEOCITIES SERVICE WILL HAVE THESE GREAT FEATURES:

* More - WebSpace 15 MB instead of 10 MB
* 200% more bandwidth - 3 GB per month instead of 1 GB
* No pop-ups, banners, or ads of any kind!
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said by mordin See Profile :

said by KyeU See Profile :

»www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/···?t=19853

quote:

No pop-ups, banners, or ads of any kind!

I knew I had seen it! Gee, then something is screwy because, to test what spaterson said about having to have an old Rogers web space to get it ad free on Geocities, I set up my webpage using an old email address »ca.geocities.com/dstewart5660@rogers.com/ and it has the Geocities adds on it.

Maybe Rogers changed their minds and is getting ad revenue from Yahoo. :)
If the webspace wasn't active when they did the switch, then it'll have ads. If it was active, it's ad-free. Since you just set it up, you got ads. :(

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14806445 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:03:10 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804832 anon : "Seems like the webmaster hasn't updated it in a while though..."

Because it's a losing battle. Really it is. Much has been tried in the past and it has NEVER worked. The only major thing to affect Rogers was the negative billing on there cable service. The was a big uproar and long lines of people returning there cable boxes. That worked since it affected EVERY customer. As i said before Rogers knowes there customers and how they use the network. And they know throttling BT and removing newsgroups will hardly be noticed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804832 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:56:13 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804456 KyeU :
said by sbrook See Profile :

I would add you should look not only at the effectiveness of the RBUA but also such sites as www.ihaterogers.ca or www.rogerssucks.ca
RogersSucks.ca is down, but I'm looking at IHateRogers.ca.

I love it. :D

Seems like the webmaster hasn't updated it in a while though...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804456 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:08:33 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804384 anon : "There were people like Tyler Hamilton of Torstar, and Jack Kapica of the Globe writing about the things Rogers got up to"

Very true, and the thing with this is the "average user" never reads tech colums. So the word never really gets out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804384 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:01:04 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804351 sbrook : I would add you should look not only at the effectiveness of the RBUA but also such sites as www.ihaterogers.ca or www.rogerssucks.ca

The former site has stagnated like the RBUA and the latter has gone (see »web.archive.org/web/200104280308···ucks.ca/)

In other words, protests about Rogers tend to go absolutely nowhere. There were people like Tyler Hamilton of Torstar, and Jack Kapica of the Globe writing about the things Rogers got up to, but still Rogers never relented until it came to head to head competition with Bell or a run in with the gov't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804351 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:56:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804344 anon : OKay look at it this way. Pretend i am Joe Average user or Joe average media person.

So...as you said.."Just point out that Rogers is throttling torrents, taking away their Usenet service, etc."

So i would ask what are torrents and why should i worry about them? The good side is the way look into it more or they won't care since they don't know what it is.

If a media person went to Rogers for a comment before publishing a story you can bet Rogers will state the P2P and BT are MAINLY used to transfer illegal content which will either kill the story or severly weaken your position.

You need to focus on more general terms like quality of customer service, make the public aware the service in general can change without notice, increase in cost of service with decrease in services provide, like caps.

Again techie stuff is a real hard sell to the general public.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804344 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:56:29 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804311 KyeU :
said by accat13 See Profile :

We can change the service but you can't leave if you don't pay up.
That's wrong.

Sounds like you can take legal action against them. Not sure though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804311 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:52:07 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804286 sbrook :
said by accat13 See Profile
as long as I pay the penalty for the bundling package that I've used for a year.Anyone have a spare 100 $ around so I can tell Rogers where to go.I've started my own Rogers count down 12 months to go...Just another miserable and disgusted Rogers customer..We can change the service but you can't leave if you don't pay up.I'm so happy I was never fished into buying a docsis 2.0 modem to get the extreme package.Leave rogers what are you going to do with that use it as a fish tank ornament.All I can say Dec 2006 I'm gone.
:

If they've changed the service, they would have a hard time pressing you to keep to the bundle contract. Speak with a lawyer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804286 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:49:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804243 KyeU : Well, we would just be educating the public. (Explain why their torrent dl speeds are so low, etc.)

It doesn't have to BLUNTLY say "Rogers is bad. Switch today."

Just point out that Rogers is throttling torrents, taking away their Usenet service, etc.

Any lawyer here or anyone who knows the legal world here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804243 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:45:00 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804237 accat13 : @sbrook sure we do
"This is just changing the service with time, which they reserved the right to do. You have the right with any change of service to stop using the service."

as long as I pay the penalty for the bundling package that I've used for a year.Anyone have a spare 100 $ around so I can tell Rogers where to go.I've started my own Rogers count down 12 months to go...Just another miserable and disgusted Rogers customer..We can change the service but you can't leave if you don't pay up.I'm so happy I was never fished into buying a docsis 2.0 modem to get the extreme package.Leave rogers what are you going to do with that use it as a fish tank ornament.All I can say Dec 2006 I'm gone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804237 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:44:33 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804235 MATA7 : cause my English is really bad i ask my wife to do me a favor of write for me all this thing that it happen now i ask her to make it Whit the caps on so people can read it better, so i print like 100 pages and i drop it on the supermarket and at blockbuster

i name Rogers Terrorism
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I Just Hate Rogers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804235 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:44:32 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804226 sbrook : Yup ... This any protests need to be that Rogers has been continually diluting the service at their whim and the customer has no rights other than to walk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804226 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:43:48 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804199 anon : "I'm gonna make a rough text file with possible slogans for our campaign for better service."

You might want to consult a lawyer before launching any kind of "action" against Rogers. Just to make sure you won't end up being sued for anything.

I still think this campaign will be useless if you are planning to focus on things like the loss of newsgroups and throttling of BT. You would need to educate the public who doesn't really have clue what that is anyway. If you stick with techie reasons then you are preaching to the wrong crowd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804199 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:40:52 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804184 KyeU : Let's try to think of how to market our campaign to the ordinary Rogers customer.

One point we have so far is throttling, and how it contributes to low speeds in P2P programs (mostly Torrent).

BTW, I was joking about the bait-and-switch :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14804184 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:38:23 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803985 sbrook : It's not bait and switch. I've heard people refer to what Rogers has done as bait and switch many times.

Classic bait and switch for example is to advertise a 27" TV for say $250 ... (The bait). Then when customer goes to the store to buy the $250 TV, there aren't any left (fact is there never were any in the first place), but they can offer a *far better* TV for $499. You wouldn't have wanted that $250 TV anyway, there were lots of things wrong with it.

This is just changing the service with time, which they reserved the right to do. You have the right with any change of service to stop using the service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803985 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:13:54 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803972 KyeU : I'm gonna make a rough text file with possible slogans for our campaign for better service.

What it contains so far:

"Tired of getting unreasonably low speeds in P2P Programs due to Rogers' throttling?"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803972 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:12:39 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803824 blacklisted8 : i've spoken to a few customers and they've noticed the same throttling everyone's been talking about, but using limewire (the few mac users out there that i happen to know). my point is they're upset about it, but had no idea what was going on and they accepted it (assuming it was a temp problem with the service). when i told them the reason why they couldn't download anything at high-speeds, it made all the difference and some actually talked about switching in the heat of the moment. who knows if they'll switch or not. but it's surprising to see that most people will notice a problem, and ride it out without knowing the facts. they were essentially pissed off at paying for a service different to what they are receiving.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803824 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:54:14 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803613 KyeU :
said by moltar2000 :

Do they really think their customers are idiots? Maybe that is their target market - the IDIOTS who cannot tell apart the marketing trick and a real thing.
DING DING DING! WINNER!

Place an exquisite and diverse plate of food in front of your hungry customers, and after they come and sit at your table, you take all the food away, slowly, one by one. (Long-term bait and switch anyone?)

Rogers (and seemingly Fido) are doing this. Their target market are those who don't read the fine print, who are your average non-techie citizens.

Resurrected from this thread:

said by salan See Profile :

anyone with good writing skills wanna start an online petition, or better yet, send this thread to the Federal Department of Industry and Ontario Ministry of Consumer and Business Affair?
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803613 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:25:31 EDT (topic move) Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803544 sbrook :
Moderator Action
The post that was here, and all followups to it, were moved to a new topic .. »B2B2C Anyone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803544 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:16:03 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803048 sbrook : The legal issue is NOT RELEVENT here - whether legal or not, Rogers is whittling away at the value added services. That's what the stink is about - or at least should be.

It is currently considered to not be illegal to download copyright material in Canada. That's not the same thing as saying it's legal. Note, that's *copyright* material. It does not refer to materials that are covered under any other legislation such as official secrets or obscenity laws.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14803048 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:07:33 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14802930 anon :
quote:
Nobody has said it in this thread, but the big stink is about losing access to binary newsgroups and the ability to download MP3 audio files, most of which are being offered illegally, and videos such as movies, most of which are also being offered illegally, and porn. And when I say "porn" I don't mean child porn. The creeps who look at child pron are a small minority. I mean mainstream porn, not child porn.


It is legal in Canada to download all of the above (well, except child porn). What is illegal is to share (upload) it. So there was really no legal grounds for that, as for except the child porn, that's why they said that I guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14802930 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:48:36 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14802828 anon : I see a trend here with them buying companies. When they got Fido - they cut the crap out of all the services, reduced towers, my signal at home now is crap, when before it worked 100% even in the basement. The sound quality is crap due to overcompression, and all of that was done with the same lame-ass marketing twists "to enhance your experience, we cut away the free text messaginb and limit your minutes frm 1000 to 300".

Do they really think their customers are idiots? Maybe that is their target market - the IDIOTS who cannot tell apart the marketing trick and a real thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14802828 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:32:55 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14802661 anon : I liked GigaNews because it had a 60 day retention. I am also subscribed for News Hosting, but they only have 24 days. Sometimes I find something really old and can only get it with giga... This friggin sucks now. I am probably gonna switch to Sympatico now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14802661 Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:09:01 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797870 mordin :
said by KyeU See Profile :

»www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/···?t=19853

quote:

No pop-ups, banners, or ads of any kind!

I knew I had seen it! Gee, then something is screwy because, to test what spaterson said about having to have an old Rogers web space to get it ad free on Geocities, I set up my webpage using an old email address »ca.geocities.com/dstewart5660@rogers.com/ and it has the Geocities adds on it.

Maybe Rogers changed their minds and is getting ad revenue from Yahoo. :)
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For the average user that is plenty. Obviously if you need more advanced requirements why the hell would you rely on your isp for the service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797796 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:28:51 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797725 KyeU : »www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/···?t=19853

quote:
YOUR ROGERS YAHOO! GEOCITIES SERVICE WILL HAVE THESE GREAT FEATURES:
More - WebSpace 15 MB instead of 10 MB
200% more bandwidth - 3 GB per month instead of 1 GB
No pop-ups, banners, or ads of any kind!


WOW! 15 MB of SPACE! SPECTACULAR!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797725 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:16:59 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797696 drunkgoat : Found out what my problem was, i was using "nntP" as my server address and that has apparently stopped working as of yesterday.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797696 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:12:51 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797662 mordin : Can't find it now but I remember seeing something about making it add free for Rogers members. I do think it's a bad idea using the email address in the URL but it hasn't caused me any problems yet. Guess they had to have a way to avoid problems with bot Yahoo & Rogers members using the same email prefix. Too bad they didn't come up with a better way.
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Which again is why so many are complaining. Since text newgroups can be had for free. But not the binaries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797582 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:56:47 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797474 spaterson :
said by salan See Profile :

said by joe12365 :

How about getting page big advertisement in Toronto Star or Globe, just like Mozilla did for its browser? Let's setup paypal account for donations.

Other option, demonstrations in front Rogers or media building which they will show on the news.
i doubt the demonstration thing will work. theirs barely any people opposed to Rogers to being with, and at best, only a quarter of those might appear at the demonstrations. i think sbrook's idea about complaining to the Federal Department of Industry and Ontario Ministry of Consumer and Business Affairs
Yeh a demonstration isn't a good idea.

Just imagine one taking place. The media all pick it up. Your face gets plastered all over TV, while the news reporter describes why it's happening:

"Hundreds of Rogers customers were demonstrating today to protest Rogers action of removing USENET groups from its service. A spokesperson at Rogers says that they are removing the service to help curb the distribution of child pornography on the internet."

Not a good story to have your face associated with. :o

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14797474 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:37:35 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14796684 salan :
said by joe12365 :

How about getting page big advertisement in Toronto Star or Globe, just like Mozilla did for its browser? Let's setup paypal account for donations.

Other option, demonstrations in front Rogers or media building which they will show on the news.
i doubt the demonstration thing will work. theirs barely any people opposed to Rogers to being with, and at best, only a quarter of those might appear at the demonstrations. i think sbrook's idea about complaining to the Federal Department of Industry and Ontario Ministry of Consumer and Business Affairs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14796684 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:23:37 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14796681 darrylr : Why not just realize that there is nothing any of us can do about it and move on? That is the best plan. They can pretty much do whatever they want.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14796681 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:23:31 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14796667 anon : How about getting page big advertisement in Toronto Star or Globe, just like Mozilla did for its browser? Let's setup paypal account for donations.

Other option, demonstrations in front Rogers or media building which they will show on the news.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14796667 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:21:34 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14795243 anon : "Since last night I haven't been able to connect to giganews."

It's not December 15th so obviously you have another problem. Giganews works fine here. Both on my Rogers service and my pay account with them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14795243 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:02:43 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14795044 drunkgoat : Since last night I haven't been able to connect to giganews.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14795044 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:28:31 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14795010 sbrook : Spamming is definitely NOT the way to get the message out.

What is needed is recognition by the Ontario Ministry of Consumer and Business Affairs that Rogers and other ISPs have too much free rein in their EUAs. Also that the Federal Department of Industry needs to step in and protect the consumer here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14795010 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:21:00 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792963 anon : Ahhh yes, spamming. Great way to get your message across. We all love getting spam don't we.

Next bright idea.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792963 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:17:23 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794983 sbrook :
said by paul72 :

Just curious wasn't this type of thing tried by the RBUA? The disbanded a couple of years back out of frustration in getting anywhere with Rogers. Now all that is left is a dying message forum.
There is the rub exactly. Rogers is famous for totally ignoring petitions and other forms of protest. The RBUA had a much higher proportion of Rogers members too at that time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794983 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:16:44 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794918 anon : what Robbers is probably looking at is that many of the users who are familiar with Usenet have switched to paying third-party usenet providers for service seeing that the much bally-hooed changeover to Giganews that happened on January 15 of this year gave us severely throttled bandwidth and produced many complaints. Others, the average user in other words, just aren't familiar with Usenet and believe that whatever can be seen in the browser is the "Internet" and there's nothing else. I work with a fellow who presents himself as a computer expert very familiar with various operating systems that knows nothing about how news groups work - a recent grad of a so-called technical school no doubt. If it's not accessible through the browser then it's not important. For others, like me, we started with Usenet, connected to Gopher servers when they once existed, used Veronica and Archie to search gopherspace and public ftp directories. Getting the others to learn about news groups so they will help make a stand will be a challenge especially once they read from Rogers that it's all available throgh Google as well as the other "propaganda" put out by Rogers. What's next - blocking the newsgroup ports entirely to disable third party usenet servers? Anyone aware of providers that do this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794918 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:04:30 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794865 spaterson : If you had a web space before Yahoo stepped into the picture, you get ad-free. Try creating a new account and put up a web space for it.

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794865 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:54:42 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794854 spaterson :
said by zaptor99 See Profile :

but your email address is right there in the URL of your site. Spammers must love that :)
Yup, that sucks. So what ya do is create a new Rogers email account, put up one of the ad-ridden web pages so it uses that email account in the URL, and then configure the email account to forward all email to one or more of Rogers own email addresses (i.e. support... customer service... whatever) :)

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14794854 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:53:07 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793893 mordin : How about, for starters, someone draft a standard letter and everyone start sending it to both Rogers and all the local & national newspapers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793893 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:33:30 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793488 KyeU : Will, I agree with you.

That's the problem: getting the Average Rogers Customer to notice this.

Coming up with evidence of negligence to the customer from Rogers is easy, it's just how to present that information to catch the attention of the customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793488 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:27:02 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793464 anon : "If he cuts anything else, we'd be running bare bones HTTP, no P2P, no Usenet, no SMTP Servers, no personal Web Sites.

I say it's enough."

Okay, i don't disagree, but how does this convince Joe Average user? If you are serious about this you need a plan and some financial backing. You have 1 million plus users to reach. And hope that a small percentage take interest.

Here are your ideas:

Newspapers - Okay, good idea. But you need someone to first take interest and second put the story on the first few pages. Not buried in some tech column. Which is where it would end up if you get anyone to write about it. Also must be in major paper.

Centralized website - Again decent idea, but how do you get the word out about this?

Posting on Forums - What forums, not tech forums i hope since you won't find the crowd you need there. You need main stream forums the average user will read. You then need to basically spam the forum with your message.

Word of mouth - I hope you have lots of freinds.

Again, Rogers has made many changes that use in the Technically inclined community have cried foul over. And what has changed? NOTHING.

Rogers knows who there customer base is, and how they use the internet. That's why these things go unnoticed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793464 Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:22:45 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793262 dl0711 :
said by KyeU See Profile :

Rogers is cutting it close to the wire.

First, they take away our webspace. (Outsourced to Free Geocities)

Second, they introduce bandwidth caps.

Third, they throttle torrents.

Fourth, they take away the Usenet service.

What next? Outsource e-mails to Yahoo and inserting an ad in every email we send out?

Who knows what Ted Rogers is going to do next to maximize profits.

If he cuts anything else, we'd be running bare bones HTTP, no P2P, no Usenet, no SMTP Servers, no personal Web Sites.

I say it's enough.
The New Rogers Yahoo Hi-Speed Internet:

Surf Only from Links on our Rogers Yahoo! portal Site(»www.rogers.yahoo.com)

Please note: We have removed our Search so you cant use Outside of our portal Site.

any links that don't have a yahoo.com at the end of the URL will not work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793262 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:34:24 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793173 KyeU : Rogers is cutting it close to the wire.

First, they take away our webspace. (Outsourced to Free Geocities)

Second, they introduce bandwidth caps.

Third, they throttle torrents.

Fourth, they take away the Usenet service.

What next? Outsource e-mails to Yahoo and inserting an ad in every email we send out?

Who knows what Ted Rogers is going to do next to maximize profits.

If he cuts anything else, we'd be running bare bones HTTP, no P2P, no Usenet, no SMTP Servers, no personal Web Sites.

I say it's enough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793173 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:14:35 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793099 anon : "media, but most importantly, your friends and family. plus public sites"

This type of thing was tried when everyone was in a rage about caps. It went no where. Even a article or two in the papers did nothing.

Personally i just don't see this being effective at all.

Also what is the ultimate goal of this? Better customer service? Meaning what exactly? Define better customer service and how that will relate to the audience you are try to target which is the "Average user" who checks email uses msn messenger and surfs the web. If they are happy with there service how do you get the message across?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793099 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:59:49 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793063 KyeU :
said by will98 :

But how do you get the message out?
Newspapers, a centralized website, posting on forums, word of mouth...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14793063 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:49:36 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792944 dl0711 :
said by corster See Profile :

said by will98 :

But how do you get the message out?
spam *@rogers.com
Google is Our Friend.

Will search all ( ca.geocities.com ) that have a @rogers in the URL
»www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ca.···ch&meta=

Will search all who have posted there @rogers.com email address on Forums, sites, Etc.

»www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=@ro···ch&meta=]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792944 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:22:06 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792942 anon : "media, but most importantly, your friends and family. plus public sites"

This type of thing was tried when everyone was in a rage about caps. It went no where. Even a article or two in the papers did nothing.

Personally i just don't see this being effective at all.

Also what is the ultimate goal of this? Better customer service? Meaning what exactly? Define better customer service and how that will relate to the audience you are try to target which is the "Average user" who checks email uses msn messenger and surfs the web. If they are happy with there service how do you get the message across?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792942 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:21:16 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792899 salan :
said by will98 :

But how do you get the message out?
media, but most importantly, your friends and family. plus public sites]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792899 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:12:20 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792873 corster :
said by will98 :

But how do you get the message out?
spam *@rogers.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792873 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:05:31 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792595 anon : But how do you get the message out?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792595 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:15:08 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792582 salan : to reach the vast majority of the users, i think instead of telling them that Rogers is taking access to Usenet/BT away, we should tell them more about the costs involved, how the costs of lite went up, while the services are decreasing. stuff like that oughta help]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792582 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:13:02 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792496 KyeU :
said by scott2525 :

WHY are we really so upset?????
Customer Service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792496 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:58:50 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792477 anon : "The 1% tech savvy can influence the other 99%. (Through a campaign)"

How do you propose this is done? And something like this will cost money. Who is going to pay for this? You might get unhappy Rogers users onboard but if people are happy with the service the would have little interest.

I think also people need to look at there real motives behind this. Loss of newgroups, throttled BT, bit caps. WHY are we really so upset????? Go to the media and they will ask that kind of question. You can argue legit reasons but honestly the reason so many are so angry is the reduction in the ablity to get "FREE" stuff. And if you deny that you are honestly not folling anyone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792477 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:56:51 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792465 Slapnuts :
said by sbrook See Profile :

said by CarpetMunch See Profile :

Holy water Batman. They just updated the FAQ. The reason now is to stop terrorists from communicating with each other through the newsgroups.
Remind us not to believe a thing you say ... like Charlie here ... »www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre···t=399203

No, the FAQ does NOT say that.
Damn it Sbrook:D I have been reading that huge thread for hours, I finally got to the end on page 47!!!! Charlie has been owned like I have never seen someone get owned online before, it goes to show, dont piss people off on the internet, or especially 4 x 4 guys:) Thanks for the reading ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792465 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:54:28 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792393 anon : Just curious wasn't this type of thing tried by the RBUA? The disbanded a couple of years back out of frustration in getting anywhere with Rogers. Now all that is left is a dying message forum.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792393 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:44:28 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792343 sbrook : Now that's a campaign worth starting ... Rogers clients need some kind of protection. In fact, most ISP clients need some kind of protection from arbitrary behaviour on the part of an ISP. But, it will come at a cost ... exactly what cost is another matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792343 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:35:40 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792262 KyeU : That's not too bad :) (I'm not looking to reach 1 million people, just as many people as I can).

If we work as a team, we'd be more effective.

Anyways, what should be the goal of the campaign? To receive better customer service and service (in general)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792262 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:25:26 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792248 mordin :
said by zaptor99 See Profile :

but your email address is right there in the URL of your site. Spammers must love that :)
Surprisingly I haven't seen an increase in spam and I also post to the usenet using the email address.
--
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792240 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:22:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792208 KyeU :
said by will98 :

Only if the users no about it. And since the majority no nothing of Usenet and many don't know what BT is it's unlikely to happen. Now as that changes Rogers will have to adapt or lose lots of customers right now. But i can bet the only ones that notice or complain right now i ALOT more tech savvy then the other 99% of the users. That's why Rogers does these things.
I'm inclined to start a movement against Rogers.

The 1% tech savvy can influence the other 99%. (Through a campaign)

How's this sound?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14792208 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:17:38 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791780 anon : Since I dumped Rogers Extremely capped serivce for ultra. I have been using 100 Proof New [h*tp://www.100proofnews.com] the been really good for me. I do not have access to credit card and the accept money orders if buy yearly and have no GB or speed caps. Hope this helps someone looking for new provider. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791780 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:02:57 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791236 salan :
said by will98 :

Only if the users no about it. And since the majority no nothing of Usenet and many don't know what BT is it's unlikely to happen. Now as that changes Rogers will have to adapt or lose lots of customers right now. But i can bet the only ones that notice or complain right now i ALOT more tech savvy then the other 99% of the users. That's why Rogers does these things.
all for a damn internet phone service. no one is even buying the DPS crap, yet Rogers still insists to improve on it. i doubt VOiP/DPS stuff will get mainstream for ATLEAST another 5 years. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791236 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:25:16 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791179 anon : Only if the users no about it. And since the majority no nothing of Usenet and many don't know what BT is it's unlikely to happen. Now as that changes Rogers will have to adapt or lose lots of customers right now. But i can bet the only ones that notice or complain right now i ALOT more tech savvy then the other 99% of the users. That's why Rogers does these things. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791179 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:13:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791051 salan : what goes around comes around
it might take a week or a year, but all the abuses against their users will come back to haunt them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14791051 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:50:11 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14790723 blacklisted8 : once again, the generalization.

"everyone on the internet is involved in illegal activities. EVERYONE! except me." - that's ultimately what you're saying. you and a bunch of other people.

you said: "No ISP should be facilitating the ability of people to download illegal files and porn."

do you have proof or stats to show that the majority of users on usenet download porn and illegal files? until you can prove it, don't even boot up your computer. think before typing.

porn is not illegal (some, not all). so what is your point? people shouldn't watch porn? or download porn?

i don't know about you but legal porn is nothing to be concerned about. child exploitation on the other hand, that's something to be concerned about.

why not ban msn, or yousendit, megaupload, irc, http, ftp? i could go on and on. why not ban everything to stop the distribution of "porn and illegal files"? oh yeah, that would also stop the distribution of legal files and legal porn.

come on now, didn't you know it's possible to distribute porn in many ways other than usenet? surprise, surprise!

i can't even begin with you because if you're set straight, another person just like you will surface in 20 seconds. and it'll be the same argument.

if there are 2 sides to the story, you can't listen to one and ignore the second. yeah there are illegal files, but what about legit reasons for using usenet?

if this wasn't about cutting a service to save some cash, would rogers still care? would they cut the service? look at the very first reason they gave us ("As a member of Canadian Coalition Against Internet Child Exploitation (CCAISE) Rogers is committed to reducing the effectiveness of Usenet as a distribution vehicle for child exploitation images"). it's so stupid that they thought twice about it and actually changed it.

you don't have to discontinue an entire service to stop that from happening.

you can't cover up the truth for so long and expect it not to bite you in the ass later on. it's about money, cutting a service and expecting people to pay the same monthly fee.

no reason was given for the added 5 bucks on their high-speed lite service. the saga continues....

i think it's more about people wanting to expose the company for what it's doing and not about losing access to usenet or bittorrent. it's bigger than that at this point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14790723 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:53:43 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14790457 sbrook : That statement is as accurate as your location!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14790457 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:11:02 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14790394 CarpetMunch :
said by sbrook See Profile :

said by CarpetMunch See Profile :

Holy water Batman. They just updated the FAQ. The reason now is to stop terrorists from communicating with each other through the newsgroups.
Remind us not to believe a thing you say ... like Charlie here ... »www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre···t=399203

No, the FAQ does NOT say that.
Damn, they updated the FAQ again. :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14790394 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:58:38 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14789538 sbrook :
said by CarpetMunch See Profile :

Holy water Batman. They just updated the FAQ. The reason now is to stop terrorists from communicating with each other through the newsgroups.
Remind us not to believe a thing you say ... like Charlie here ... »www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre···t=399203

No, the FAQ does NOT say that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14789538 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:28:58 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788771 john262 : Nobody has said it in this thread, but the big stink is about losing access to binary newsgroups and the ability to download MP3 audio files, most of which are being offered illegally, and videos such as movies, most of which are also being offered illegally, and porn. And when I say "porn" I don't mean child porn. The creeps who look at child pron are a small minority. I mean mainstream porn, not child porn.

The binary groups that offer music, videos and porn take up 99% of Usenet bandwidth consumption, but that's what most people who are on the Usenet want, and that's what the real complaint is here. Rogers customers will no longer be able to download illegal music and videos and porn.

Well, to that I say "that's just too bad." You shouldn't be downloading that stuff anyway. But if you want to download it then IMO you should have to pay extra to do that. No ISP should be facilitating the ability of people to download illegal files and porn.

However, if you are one of the small minority who uses Usenet for the text groups, then just go over to DFN-CIS at »news.cis.dfn.de/ and sign up for a free NNTP account. They are an excellent service and they are all you would ever need for text groups.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788771 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:09:23 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788616 codeclamp :
said by surflord See Profile :

anyone know of a good usenet provider?...other than Giganews. In other words, a reasonable price for reasonable retention? Thanks for your help.
Giganews is pretty much your best option for retention. Newshosting's retention isn't bad though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788616 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:29:47 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788490 CarpetMunch : Holy water Batman. They just updated the FAQ. The reason now is to stop terrorists from communicating with each other through the newsgroups.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788490 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:54:50 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788395 darrylr : Well you are not going to find companies with good retention and good service for much less than $15 US a month.

So good luck in your searching.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788395 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:26:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788314 anon : OK!, everyone just stop complaining about Rogers. Walk the Talk just don't Talk the Talk. Best way is just let the general public know that they're being ripped off by such service without honor.

My 3 month free Sympatico modem is on the way. See if I like the speed. I use 3rd party unlimitted newshosting service anyway with Rogers so what's the difference?

I am gonna also cancel my Basic cable altogether and back to old days with atenna and such. My Bill with Rogers (not including Home Phone service) including cable, digital boxes, HDTV..... used to be $130 every month. And now, they get nothing from me. :-)

Though I still keep my Rogers Home Phone service since its quality and price outperforms Bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788314 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:46:51 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788237 zaptor99 : but your email address is right there in the URL of your site. Spammers must love that :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14788237 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:01:02 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787727 mordin :
said by spaterson See Profile :

They'll feed you the same line that they fed me when I complained about the web space ads.
I don't have any adds on my Rogers/Yahoo web page.
»ca.geocities.com/canbrat@rogers.com
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said by dl0711 See Profile :

what would be a Deal is Rogers Drops the Price. US$12.99 Plus Tax should be dropped. since i would have to pay Silver
US$12.99 in order to get a Silver Usenet Package
25GB/mo US$12.99 from »www.giganews.com
That won't happen. They'll feed you the same line that they fed me when I complained about the web space ads. They'll tell you that they are providing you with internet access. That's what you're paying for. Usenet is a "freebee" that they threw in. So you're still getting what you're paying for.

Bet ya $5 that's what they say. :)

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787698 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:51:26 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787665 anon : Did you click on the link in the FIRST post of this thread? They are still there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787665 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:39:43 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787517 anon : they deleted the FAQs about stopping newsgroup service. I can't seem find it anywhere on Rogers FAQ.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787517 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:58:24 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787043 KyeU :
said by yeehaw :

actually there is a site I know of that offers free nzb's. You just enter what you want in the search field and the nzb's can be downloaded.
WHERE?! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787043 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:18:32 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787032 surflord :
said by darrylr See Profile :

umm....

Did you see my post 3 up in this very thread?

-Darryl
Ummmm....I don't think $14.95 is very reasonable at all. But thanks nonetheless.
--
Sympatico or Rogers? Well, they're both defintely better than dial-up]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14787032 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:16:47 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14785406 anon : There are quite a few nzb sites out there, I never bother with headers anymore....

Just plainly sucks, that R. is cancelling usenet services. I don't use it much, but some stuff is excellent and very difficult to get.

I go cry now a little...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14785406 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:46:59 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14785152 anon : actually there is a site I know of that offers free nzb's. You just enter what you want in the search field and the nzb's can be downloaded.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14785152 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:06:28 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784930 KyeU :
said by darrylr See Profile :

Don't bother with headers. Use nzb files and indexing services.

-Darryl
You have to *pay* for those don't you? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784930 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:34:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784908 pulp39 : I disagree with dat! :D

I used newsgroups every day back then as well and the *few* times files weren't available there were plenty of par or par2 files to make up for it. The trick was to do your news thing daily, it was super fast and complete and I just loved it! Not this crap 30 kB's client crashing Giga bottom feeding package!

Then again, I'm not in the sticks with that flakey connection.... ;-)

D_OH!!!!!
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-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784902 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:30:24 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784893 KyeU : Doesn't make much of a difference.

Old Usenet Service:

Pros:

-speed
-satisfactory retention (for me at least)

Cons:

-lots of incomplete sources

New Usenet Service:

Pros:

-good retention

Cons:

-damn slow
-so slow you have to wait around 5 hours just to download HEADERS for a newsgroup

Me, I don't like to wait. I liked the old service better, even though the retention was terrible. But with the speed, I was able to grab things before they vanished. Now, I don't even bother download headers since I'll turn into a fossil when all the newsgroups finish downloading headers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784893 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:29:00 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784827 sbrook : Well, Rogers has BEEN there and what a lot of fun that was ... retention of 30 seconds, lots of incompletes and lots of instances where the server farm gets out of sync and so you get headers and no bodies or you get the header one minute and then the next, it's disappeared!

That's why they outsourced to Giganews ... it was so much of a pest to maintain that they decided to pay someone else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784827 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:17:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784702 mordin :
said by sbrook See Profile :

Now, tell me that usenet doesn't actually cost us. It's actually calculated into the overall rate we're charged. No business could operate without doing it that way.
Traditionally the usenet has been provided as part of the internet package you got from your ISP. So as part of that package it's included in the price you pay. I think the confusion comes from the fact that although the ISP supplies you with access to the usenet most ISPs don't offer support for it. They give you the servers to use & direct you to a self help webpage and after that you're on your own for setting up a news readers or other problems you may have.
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Rogers creates an ISP ...

Connectivity overall costs say 200 mill per year
Bandwidth overall costs say 150 mill per year
Email costs say 50 mill per year
Usenet costs say 20 mill per year
Modems cost say 10 mill per year
Support costs say 70 mill per year

Total cost = 500 million
Total subscribers = 1 million
cost per annum per subscriber = $500
Cost per month per sub = 41.66

Now, tell me that usenet doesn't actually cost us. It's actually calculated into the overall rate we're charged. No business could operate without doing it that way.

The only thing they can say is that it is NOT a separate line item on our bill, just like the email isn't, just like the other things aren't.

We've been through this with modems ...

Service ... $39.95 per month
Modem cost... $5.00 per month
Total $44.95

Now we'll rationalize the prices ...

Service ... $44.95
Modem cost ... $0.00 per month (15.95 value)

So, now the modem is free? Nope! They have actually told us it's not free!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784450 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:25:04 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784388 anon : "especially when a lot of people use it"

But alot of people don't use it. That's why they are cancelling it. If alot of people did use it the would keep it. Reading this forum makes you think alot use it. But how many of Rogers 1 million plus customers post here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784388 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:15:45 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784370 darrylr : I'll be signing up for newshosting.com as of Dec. 15.

I am not going to leave Rogers over taking away newsgroups - it just pisses me off. I am very happy with my consistent 5Mb connection and my cable tv package. Since Ultra isn't available in my area I don't really have much choice unless I want to go back under 3Mb and I don't think I would really save much money considering my bundle with rogers.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784370 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:13:58 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784313 sbrook : There's only one that I know of ... 3web ... and I really don't know if they offer newsgroups ... their website doesn't say.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784313 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:06:43 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784231 salan :
said by will98 :

You were never paying for usenet service in the first place. When you pay Rogers you monthly fee all you are paying for is your connection. That's it.
iunno. as someone above pointed out, we are using a hispeed INTERNET, not hispeed WEB. its not a requirement, but its common decency to provide services for your users if they require it. ill gladly pay $3-5 for giganews outsourced usenet to Rogers, but fully killing it is just stupid, especially when a lot of people use it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784231 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:55:05 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784193 anon : You were never paying for usenet service in the first place. When you pay Rogers you monthly fee all you are paying for is your connection. That's it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784193 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:48:52 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784186 mordin : I never said it was a deal but considering the alternatives it would be better than nothing. Besides, like it or not, Rogers can change the service in anyway they feel like and there's nothing we can do except live with it or leave.
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US$12.99 in order to get a Silver Usenet Package
25GB/mo US$12.99 from »www.giganews.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784137 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:42:13 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784128 salan : anyone know any GTA cable providers resellers who have binary newsgroups? cable would be preferable but DSL resellers are ok too. as long as they have outsourced NGs/own farm, and not rogers/sympaticos, its all good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784128 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:40:53 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784115 dl0711 : paying an extra $3 is NOT a deal since it was provided with our Packages in the first place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784115 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:38:22 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14784028 mordin :
said by will98 :

"No one wants your "value added" addons you've introduced with yahoo"
One add on service that would be nice is USENET!! Too bad they wouldn't set it up that anyone that wants to continue with Usenet access could do so by paying an extra $3 - 5/mth or getting Giganews to give the Rogers customers a deal.
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www.rogers.com/usenet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14783834 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:04:49 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14783317 anon : "No one wants your "value added" addons you've introduced with yahoo"

Your forgeting who there target customer is. Ask the average typical user. For example i asked my brother and my cousin today what they like about there Rogers service. The answer....most of the Yahoo features.

Many of us here seem to think we are the only users or we are the Majority. Remember Rogers has over a million customers and you can bet almost all of them don't even know what usenet is or what BT is. It's just the way things are now.

But do complain. Problem is it won't do anything. When we complained about the slow down of nntp nothing changed, when we complain anout the caps nothing changed, when the dropped the speed to 1.5mbps nothing changed. There are not enough of us to make a difference. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14783317 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:42:14 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14783248 sbrook : If you sent that to support or customer service, then you sent it to the wrong place.

You need to send such things to the Office of the President. See the sticky at the top of the index about complaining to Rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14783248 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:33:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14783193 Psyberius : A copy of my email to Rogers. I encourage others to do the same. As Canadians, we do a little too little yelling and suffer for our soft attitudes.

I'm cancelling my service in response to your reduction and final removable of nntp. No one wants your "value added" addons you've introduced with yahoo which are full of ads/unlinkable from external sources. Forced value adds are value to fewer people than you think.

Removing services has nothing to do with adding value- it's called value shifting and it's the weak way out of properly handling your customers needs.

Whats the next "value shift" for Rogers? "Since a number of people use third party email services such as hotmail/gmail, we have decided (against your will) to take pop3/smtp down and instead give you access to some other lovely(but useless) "feature".

I sincerely hope that the public finally reacts to your predatory practices and fiscally makes you pay for your big-brother like tactics. Who are you to tell US what WE want?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14783193 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:25:20 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14781930 anon : 4 days of no service? Thats nothing. I had 1 MONTH of no service. This was back in 2002. These guys refused to give me or my neighbours credit for the problems we were experiencing. I had to call them several times daily before they finally gave in. My neighbours weren't as lucky and only got a couple days credit. I still remember my last call telling the rep on the phone that they were just one big SCAM and to refund my 1 months worth immediately. And yes I was with shaw back then as well, they were great until rogers took over.

I havent been using rogers since dec 04'. I was with Extreme for 6 months back then before the conversion to sympatico. It looks like I won't be returning since they're removing usenet. I'd rather pay for usenet and get my lowered price contract from sympatico, it all works out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14781930 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:25:22 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780806 anon : My rant:

All this is unbelievable. I'm sorry to say when Rogers started offering cable tv services to my area here 45mins north of Toronto many years back I knew it would get bad as Rogers has always had a bad reputation for having craptacular quality of their service (their cable TV service sucked). Then they bought out Shaw completely or something and Shaw disappeared. As soon as they left and Rogers was the only one here, sudden caps were placed on the already slow (by today's standards) speeds.

Did you know it took Rogers technicians over 4 days to finally come fix my connection after they busted it completely from the changeover? I had no service at all. 4 DAYS. The Shaw people were quick, coming the next morning at the very latest depending on what time I needed help. So though people will gripe about Shaw, at least they were always quick to respond to issues and the tech support actually knew something about their jobs unlike those that seem to be around today. Though I've not had many problems since those rampant downtimes due to the hostile takeover, I am having all the ones everyone's describing in these posts. Bittorrent is a joke now, the caps, no servers (though it's easy to get around), the news that Usenet is going to be taken down, download limitations...

Yeah, it's great business practice, Teddy, to get me to pay $100 for the modem you, in your blackened heart, wouldn't refund me for, for that "extreme" service, then turning around and putting a measly 100gb a month limit (even if you aren't enforcing it, having it there on an Extreme service is just not right) and screwing many out of bittorrent and other download services on which you based your whole ad campain for Extreme on.

Don't get me started on Yahoo!...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780806 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:37:31 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780801 mordin :
said by scott2525 :

I don't understand the adversion to paying $10-$15 a month for a premium news provider.
Ya $10-15/mth (in US dollars) for something that is traditionally included in your ISPs connection until Rogers started chopping away at what you get for your money! All I was trying to do is spend my money in Canada and get dial-up on the off chance Rogers is ever down for any extended time. Speaking of which - www.sprint.ca now takes you to »www.rogerstelecom.ca/english/, where they offer dial-up internet. If they really wanted to give the HS customers some value added service they'd allow us access to it for roaming and service outages like the DSL providers (Bell HS - 5hrs dial-up/mth). I wonder if the ex-Sprint dial-up customers, now with Rogers Telecom will still get the newsgroups?
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Rogers.zip 59,489 bytes
Cached.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780615 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:45:03 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780427 anon : quote: "You people are pathetic. bitching about some stupid news groups that really doesn't contain anything more than crap. Give your head a shake. if you are that un happy with ther service switch why wait do it now. And I am sure once you do switch we will still have to listen to you bitch. Pretty funny to see this crap." - yourself12345678

hey yourself12345678, i noticed you're with rogers like the rest of us. tell us, why are you so happy and the rest of us are different?

haha here's another rogers employee! don't worry the ones complaining are in the process of switching, it will take a few days i'm sure for them to source out the best alternatives. no one walks into another rogers situation. serious, are you being paid to say this b/s?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780427 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:38:59 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780587 blacklisted8 : ah hahahahhahahahhahahahahah KyeU, you are awesome!!!! lol it IS true! wow...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780587 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:33:24 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780419 anon : "I was wondering if anyone knows of any cheap Canadian dial-up services that offer access to binary newsgroups? Was wondering if you'd be able to access the dial-up NGs using the Rogers HS service."

I don't understand the adversion to paying $10-$15 a month for a premium news provider. If all you need is text use one of the free services. If you need binaries then pay the extra money. You are saving thousands anyway with what you get from binaries. And we all know that is the case. Anything "legit" on usenet can be found many other places.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780419 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:14:49 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780528 KyeU : You're lucky, I found it in my Opera cache :D

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780528 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:09:47 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780494 KyeU :
quote:
If you take away part of the service, shouldn’t I get a discount?

There was no charge for this service. Rogers has introduced many new high-value services free for Rogers Yahoo customers. For example, RY Photos with unlimited storage, commercial-free Internet radio (Launchcast), a special Rogers Yahoo browser with premium features such as tabbed browsing, free premium personal web space and free blogs. As the Internet changes, it is reasonable to expect that new services will displace older. On balance, the total package for Rogers Yahoo customers continues to improve in both scope and depth.


WHAT IF I DON'T WANT A PHOTO GALLERY?!

I already use WinAmp and Windows Media Player for to listen to radio stations. FOR FREE.

Besides, who'd want to use a special RY Browser? Just use Firefox, Opera or IE! FOR FREE.

Free blogs: Xanga, Blogger, MySpace, etc, etc, etc! FOR FREE.

I appreciate the overdue decision to bring back premium web pages, but it's too late to fill in the hole they made when they moved us to Geocities FREE. (Unless by premium, they mean unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth, MySQL, PHP, no file-size upload limit, and a fast server)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780494 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:57:33 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780486 blacklisted8 : ah hahahaha "child pornography"?? what a lame excuse! hahaha someone should contact the toronto star and get them involved. this is going to be great! does anyone have a screen shot of the "child porn" excuse when it was still up? no that's too funny, it can't be true.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780486 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:54:03 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780465 KyeU :

My response in their "Ask Us" section.

quote:
If you are unable to find the answer to your question, click on Ask Us to submit your question to our Customer Service.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780465 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:47:17 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780446 KyeU :

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780446 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:40:06 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780439 drunkgoat :
"You people are pathetic. bitching about some stupid news groups that really doesn't contain anything more than crap. Give your head a shake. if you are that un happy with ther service switch why wait do it now. And I am sure once you do switch we will still have to listen to you bitch. Pretty funny to see this crap."



So i guess you would be perfectly happy if one day you went outside and found your garbage still sitting by the curb because the city annouced on some obscure web page that they had reapropriated the funds for garbage collection because they deemed that people would be happier hiring their own private garbage disposal service.

Not only are they still gonig to charge you the same amount of taxes, but they also put a cheesy spin on it something like "The city has discontinued garbage pickup and this will be beneficial to the environment because we won't be putting more garbage into landfills"

Now tell me you wouldn't be upset.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780439 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:38:18 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780420 bryce111 : ROFL At first I was pissed off when I read this thread title but I did get a good laugh out of all the comments. The last thing keeping me from switching away from Rogers was the usenet which I used as a fills server.

That's the end of that though. Time to get sympatico and spend the difference on usenet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780420 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:32:40 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780405 mordin :
said by accat13 See Profile :

I was just wondering if anyone received any official notice from rogers about the changes.
They are even making it hard to find on the FAQ page: »shoprogersfaq.custhelp.com/cgi-b···_by=dflt
If you go to the Rogers HS FAQ page and select 'Newsgroups' in the drop down box below 'High-Speed Internet' then click search (leave the Keyword blank) and you get nothing about the usenet service ending. You have to leave 'All Sup-categories' in the drop down box and do a 'Keyword Search' for usenet to get the information.

I was wondering if anyone knows of any cheap Canadian dial-up services that offer access to binary newsgroups? Was wondering if you'd be able to access the dial-up NGs using the Rogers HS service.
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Roger's is probably monitoring this discussion because they've removed any mention of child porn from their FAQ.

Dumbasses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780397 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:27:01 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780395 anon : "If Rogers is truly concerned and sincer about the Child porn issue and they are cancling usenet out of the goodness of their black hearts, why don't they take all the money they are going to save from axing giganews and give it to chairity, or child porn victums group."

And once AGAIN, recheck the FAQ they removed that reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780395 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:26:49 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780388 drunkgoat : ..........................]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780388 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:25:33 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780328 anon : "Typically customer service said they didn't even realize it was happening(ya right)"

YA THAT IS RIGHT. They are typically the last to know anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780328 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:05:01 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780286 accat13 : Well its been a little over 30 hrs. since I dropped this bombshell on the forum.I'm happy to see I'm not the only PO'D customer.I was just wondering if anyone received any official notice from rogers about the changes.Maybe they were waiting to first cancel then tell the customers..Typically customer service said they didn't even realize it was happening(ya right)..Well I think there are many people who are fed up with rogers and are now looking elsewhere.I do think its possible to find an isp with the same speeds,but maybe not full usenet service.Looks like I will be hunting for the same speed or better but cheaper.The savings will pay for usenet.Like previously mention bundles are great but when a customer leaves they usually take the full package with them.(its funny how very recently I came close to using the phone service)It will be a cold day in hell when that happens...PS Ted its still the SKYDOME and always will be... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780286 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:53:11 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780280 dl0711 : lol you don't need a List.. just the news ( News papers, TV News) They always read/watch to see how there stocks are doing so if we all make a letter addressed to Rogers share holders and give to to the news I bet ya they will post/air it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780280 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:51:35 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780260 anon : "I wonder what if we all talk to Rogers Share holders and tell them that with what rogers is doing its best to Cash-in there shares NOW before its to late. lets see how rogers responds to that."

Yeah, Yeah, lets do that. You have a list of there names and phones numbers. We can start calling them tomorrow. I'm sure they will listen to you closely when you tell them Rogers 1 million customers are going to leave. Anymore bright ideas?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780260 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:46:14 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780238 dl0711 : I wonder what if we all talk to Rogers Share holders and tell them that with what rogers is doing its best to Cash-in there shares NOW before its to late. lets see how rogers responds to that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14780238 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:41:22 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779970 mordin :
said by adam242 :

Have you seen how many other providers there are out there? There are dozens of dsl providers. In my area alone i think i can choose from about 20.
Must be nice living in an area like that. Down here on the east coast we have 2 high speed choices - Rogers & Aliant. Aliant lists new groups but doesn't say if they include binaries. Being that their service is so similar to Bell Sympatico I would think all they provide are text based.
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For my internet usage, I use pay-by-download from Astraweb. US$10 for 25 gigabytes, which has no time expiration. Downloading headers does not count towards the download amount. I paid US$10 months ago, and am nowhere near through it yet. However, I'm less likely to download multiple gigabytes on a lark like I used to. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779721 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:04:22 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779689 corster : they thought it would justify it, but it's not slipping through the cracks, so theyre going to use the outdated excuse...

if it was outdated, why would people pay for it?
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RECHECK the FAQ. Rogers is not using the Child PORN reason there anymore. It was a lame excuse anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779621 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:51:44 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779603 sbrook :
said by retiredat44 See Profile :

I put it this way, I am happy if it will take the worst people off Usenet... having had nasty vicsous creepy stalkers in the past I hope that these bastards have there access cutoff. As for good people, sorry, but we are all getting screwed by ISP's one way or another...

:mad:
I too have had creepy people attempt to creep me out in newsgroups before ... but stopping serving newsgroups isn't going to stop these people. It's like a burglar ... if you burglar proof your house, they'll only move next door ... it's not going to stop them burgling.

It's a sham reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779603 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:49:07 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779582 anon : What a misguided person you seem to be !
All it will do is make the pervs buy faster batter more reliable feeds to get thier fix. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779582 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:46:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779462 darrylr : How is it going to get anyone like that off usenet? There are tons of providers out there. If someone really wants access to newsgroups it is simple to get.

That is a BS excuse they are using. They just want to cut back on their spending so they can make more money. Since so few people use newsgroups they probably don't expect much of a backlash. I bet 80-90% of people on Rogers have never even heard of newsgroups nonetheless have a clue how to use them.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779462 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:30:12 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779381 retiredat44 : I put it this way, I am happy if it will take the worst people off Usenet... having had nasty vicsous creepy stalkers in the past I hope that these bastards have there access cutoff. As for good people, sorry, but we are all getting screwed by ISP's one way or another...

:mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779381 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:19:53 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779380 darrylr : umm....

Did you see my post 3 up in this very thread?

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779380 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:19:41 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779357 surflord : anyone know of a good usenet provider?...other than Giganews. In other words, a reasonable price for reasonable retention? Thanks for your help.
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Unbelievable the way you sneak around the bush, lie to the public, all the while dwindle their service down month after month to nothing. The hell are you doing with all the money we give you monthly?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779076 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:37:49 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779028 darrylr : It sounds like newshosting.com is the favorite of many people here. Unlimited downloads for $14.95 US per month. You can max out your Rogers connection (using multiple connections) and they have 24+ days of retention in binary groups.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779028 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:32:50 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778977 garts99 : Can anyone recommend a good 3rd party usenet provider?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778977 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:27:42 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778874 KyeU : -Bandwidth Caps
-Torrent Throttling
-Newgroups 35 kB/s speed cap
-No personal web page space (well, Geocities, but it's crap)

Next they'll do 'rolling blackouts' on our Internet Connections.

Not looking good, for us and for Rogers.

If this continues, I'll have to switch to Sympatico. And I do mean this.

I don't care for newsgroups. I've lost interest in newsgroups ever since Rogers switched to Giganews, with the 35 kB/s speed caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778874 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:13:39 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778648 chiptuned : I can't believe this. What a slap in the face to their customers. As if the cap AND THEN throttling wasn't enough. They can all go F themselves.

For almost 5 years now the service was reliable (I've hardly ever had outages) and I've always had good speeds, but the rate of shit that I've had to deal with recently has increased past my threshold.

Looks like I'll be getting dsl for christmas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778648 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:42:23 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778587 salan : Here is a come back and a letter to Rogers from the "rogers.general" newsgroup.

!THESE ARE NOT MY MESSAGES/POSTS!

1. By "Glenn"; Re: Dec 15 - Discontinuation of Rogers Usenet Service!

Post:

quote:
So what will RY chop next? My guess - those "earlier forms" of mail protocols: POP3 and SMTP. And why not, after all, doesn't EVERYONE use RY WebMail now? Sorry, not everyone, just "fewer and fewer people". Anyone else notice how those "earlier forms" of service don't produce advertising revenue like most of the new "high-valued" FREE services that RY has introduced? Oh well, I guess we have to move with the times, or to another ISP.

Sorry about being so down on RY, but, well, announcements like this make me grumpy... or perhaps it's just my age... anyone else remember the internet before WWW?
Glenn


2. By Jgibbs; My signoff letter

quote:
Pretentious of me to post it here but I know that when I send it to RY, they will just junk it. I'd like to know somebody read it!!!

An open letter to the braintrust at Rogers:

I've been a Rogers high-speed customer for years now but no more. I've been marginalized for the last time. Your promises of high speed internet service has been steadily hacked apart to the point that all you are really offering is high speed web surfing. The internet is much more than that. As you've pointed out in your FAQ:

"Internet technology is constantly changing. Usenet was one of the earliest forms of user discussion on the Internet, but today has largely been replaced by blogs, instant messaging, personal web pages and other tools. As a result, fewer and fewer people are accessing Usenet."

The internet is changing. I couldn't agree more. The wealth of multimedia information that is available now versus even 5 years ago is astounding. Multimedia takes bandwidth. But instead of properly adapting to the bandwidth demanded by this century, you've taken away, piece by piece, what made your service valuable. So now, you've decided that "fewer and fewer" people are using usenet. Guess what? I use it. In fact, prove to me the number of new messages posted to usenet has decreased. It hasn't. But here's my Rogers story:

Joined Rogers High Speed which was much faster but much more expensive than alternatives Got shunted to High Speed Express (or something) when High Speed Extreme became available Learned that there would be a 60Gb limit on downloads per month. Not an issue for me but a restriction you decided on with no grandfathering clause Learned that my usenet experience would be "enhanced" by giving me abysmal download speeds but 1 year retention rate. Great because, like most internet users, I only access the internet once a year Learned that you were throttling P2P traffic with packet shaping. You may deny it but I know that my p2p starts fast and then loses connection and it only started this month. I am not alone in this either: »P2P and UDP Gaming Throttling Info . This is in spite of the selling feature hyped here: »www.shoprogers.com/Store/Cable/I···tion.asp . I bring your attention to the part that says "Enjoy a fast service that great for email, sharing photos and files and extensive web surfing. Difficult to share anything when you throttle upload speeds. Now you are discontinuing Usenet service because I can use blogs? What does that mean?

In any case, the message is clear. Rogers wants the same money they've always charged but they only want it from people content to do a little web surfing. People who want to enjoy advances in internet technology such as p2p and bit-torrent are not wanted. They cost you bandwidth which, in spite of your claims to the contrary, you are unwilling to provide.

I was considering switching my home phone to your VOIP service but I really don't trust your company anymore. You don't live up to your claims, you change the rules and sadly, believe your own spin. How can I depend on you for reliable service? If you employ the same tactics there as you have for internet I'll be faced with a more difficult choice than losing an e-mail address.

I'll also be calling tonight to cancel my cellphone. I'll still be buying my big screen tv this Christmas but obviously satellite is the way to go.

Just a quick total for your marketing folks - Lost revenue from High speed, cellphone and digital cable = $1200 annually plus VOIP. That's negative churn. And that's only one customer.

Plus a tip to help you get by in this century: Convergence offers huge revenue potential. But tick off the customers financing your infrastructure investment and they will shun all of your convergence offerings. You could wind up back in just the cable business. How ironic that you are moving into the old Nortel building. Will history repeat itself?
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778587 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:32:55 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778474 Roop : lemme rephrase that:

i can't believe rogers, the bestest isp in the world would do this.

(gags)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778474 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:16:20 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778381 DALarose :
said by sbrook See Profile :

Thanks for the notification Rogers! This was discovered in the FAQ by one of our readers - not notified to us!

As of Dec 15, if you want Usenet, you have to pay for it yourself, or use Google groups for casual lookups.

See here ...

»shoprogersfaq.custhelp.com/cgi-b···_by=dflt
»shoprogersfaq.custhelp.com/cgi-b···_by=dflt

or »tinyurl.com/7m8t7

"Internet technology is constantly changing. Usenet was one of the earliest forms of user discussion on the Internet, but today has largely been replaced by blogs, instant messaging, personal web pages and other tools. As a result, fewer and fewer people are accessing Usenet. Therefore, Rogers has decided to stop providing Usenet service to Rogers Yahoo customers effective December 15, 2005."

I guess SMTP and POP3 are also old forms so Rogers will drop these next...

By April Rogers Cable Systems will drop CBC because it's an old method to view TV.

Note Rogers only supports MSIE, as Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, et al is too confusing for their tech droids

Fortunately I still have my National Capital FreeNet account for all the text based usenet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778381 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:00:20 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778360 DALarose : Rogers of course in their TOS says they don't have to tell their users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778360 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:57:10 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778240 anon : "the only thing i can say about this is motherf*****s. that's the only thing that comes to mind. i can't believe rogers would do this."

Why not? It's simple. They have over a 1 million customers. Usenet is used by such a tiny percentage. So business sense would say it's not worth maintaining. With the large number of 3rd party providers out there getting usenet access again is not a big deal.

I know for some mommy and daddy won't want to pay another $15.00 a month since they are already paying for the internet but for the rest, you have many options.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778240 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:41:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14778221 pulp39 :
said by Roop See Profile :

the only thing i can say about this is motherf*****s. that's the only thing that comes to mind. i can't believe rogers would do this.
You've GOT to be kidding me? Ted has been regularily degrading the service for years and you can't believe this new development? :uhh: The *only* thing a *tad* bit surprising is how long he let Giganews provide us access. I predicted the end of free newsgroup service coming in a matter of months, as soon as Ted introduced this crap, bottom feeding, Giga service. Writing was on the wall man... and no one believed me, again! LOL
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its almost like Slander.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14777406 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:41:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14776936 garts99 : Damn sneaky rogers.

Makes u wanna punch ted in the face.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14776936 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:38:13 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14776621 salan : first the caps, now BT, and now usenet. Rogers, ur officialy the shittiest ISP this world has had the unfortune to live with. the sympatico call center shall soon be recieving a phone call... just hope Bell has upgraded by area or im doomed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14776621 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:54:06 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775485 shudwein :
said by darrylr See Profile :

I actually meant 3Web customers who are using the Rogers cable network. What kind of newsgroup service do they offer? I kind of thought they would just be using the Rogers/Giganews setup as well.

-Darryl
I believe from what I've read that it's the same as Rogers (Giganews). Most likely once Rogers discontinues the outsourcing, it will be gone for 3Web too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775485 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:09:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775369 darrylr : I actually meant 3Web customers who are using the Rogers cable network. What kind of newsgroup service do they offer? I kind of thought they would just be using the Rogers/Giganews setup as well.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775369 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:54:37 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775306 Slapnuts : Optimium Online in New Jersey is bumping up their speeds to 15/2 for no extra charge, and 30/2 for $14.95 extra.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775306 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:45:07 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775138 redi : i signed up with www.newshosting.com and can get 5mbit downstream from their servers. unlimited downloads for $15usd /month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14775138 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:22:02 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774907 anon : Who in the US is offering speeds such as 10/2 or 15/2? Checked all of the big guys... Adelphia, Cox, Comcast, Time Warner Cable... all of them tend to max out around 5-6 down, with the exception of Time Warner's Road Runner which can be up to 8 in some areas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774907 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:45:28 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774888 st7860 : Yes of course 3web wouldn't provide access to Rogers customers, but if you are using 3web cable service, except for 3webs terrible phone support, the service itself is technically the same except you would be using 3web's mail and usenet services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774888 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:43:42 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774853 darrylr : I don't see how 3Web will offer newsgroups for their rogers cable customers will they? I would never switch to 3Web anyway.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774853 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:38:09 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774828 st7860 : well.. if DSL is not available in your area then... I think 3web provides news service and 3web uses Rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774828 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:34:36 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774803 drunkgoat : Newsgroups are important, and I have had a pay provider since rogers switch to giganews FYI.

It was nice to be able to fall back on giga news for when you were trying to access a post that was 55 days old and no other provider had it.

Look at how other american cable ISP are bumping thier users speeds up, alot of cities are getting 10/2 and soon to be 15/2.

Also there is little consumer power in this industry, if the consumers had any power then rogers wouldn't be able to dick the consumer atleast once a year.

Rogers get your game together.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774803 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:30:50 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774702 cc86 : Go Rogers, always giving us less for our $.

Not surprised they're doing this, all they care about right now is their stupid phone. I receive at least 1 ad per week about their phone and it's not even available here yet, and won't be until they get it working right in Toronto. :huh:

No point in calling to complain, guarantee they haven't notified their CSR's about this. They still haven't notified their CSR's about the upgrade to extreme. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774702 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:16:38 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774639 anon : So why would I stay with Rogers? I just checked out Bell's site, no data transfer limit. No binaries, but neither will Rogers after December.

That would mean satellite TV, I guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774639 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:08:07 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774221 sbrook : Since the DPS issues are upstream traffic and usenet use generates downstream traffic, I don't think this is a DPS problem. This is far more likely to be a revenue issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774221 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:10:56 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774148 pulp39 : All you crazy sonsaguns using Ted's DPS are to be blamed. ;-)
Here's my take, Ted is throttling torrents and discontinuing newsgroup access to save BW for his precious DPS. What else is next for Ted to taketh away. I say, boycott his crap DPS, get rid of it and tell people to use Bell's. This DPS project is killing our internet experience! :huh:
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I'll try TheStar and The Globe too :)
I hope other people do the same.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774127 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:54:47 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774083 sbrook : CRTC doesn't get involved with the internet service providers even if they are cable operators or telcos.

The BBB is useless ... Rogers could buy up the BBB

The others ... yup.

Otherwise, the Ontario Ministry of Consumer and Business Affairs, The Federal Industry Minister.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774083 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:48:21 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774050 zaptor99 : Sure, we can use google, or pay for GigaNews.
Sure, we can pay and host our ad-free personal sites
Sure, we can stop downloading from BT.

But, don't we deserve a price cut if we are not provided these services anymore?

By the way, who can I complain to besides the president? CRTC, Silvermen helps? BBB? Global Defenders? CTV consumer alert?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14774050 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:43:07 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773960 sbrook : Ha! Google's newsgroups service is a mixture of good and bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773960 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:31:15 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773947 AT1 : Customers with a continuing desire to read or post Usenet text messages can do so through Google Groups. This is an excellent resource that provides a searchable archive of every text message ever posted to Usenet. »groups.google.ca

Additionally, customers can go to companies like Giganews (our supplier up until the point when we discontinue Usenet) who offer a full Usenet service on a paid basis.
»www.giganews.com/
»search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8···e+Canada]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773947 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:29:28 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773914 pulp39 : Yep, there we go. I was one of the few who vehemently screamed that this Giganews "improved newsgroup service" was crap and it was only going to get worse, the beginning of the end no doubt!

I rest my case...

:D

Whenever Ted says "improved"... look out!!!
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if webspace is important to you, go somewhere else.
if downloading is important to you, go somewhere else.
if ftp server is important to you, go somewhere else.
if email is important to you, go somewhere else.
if websurfing is important to you, go somewhere else]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773633 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:26:13 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773351 anon : "Right now this is a market where the consumer has little choice and therefore little power."

You're kidding right? Have you seen how many other providers there are out there? There are dozens of dsl providers. In my area alone i think i can choose from about 20.

If newsgroups are so important then pay the $15.00 a month a go with a 3rd party. You know you are saving thousands of dollars with what you are downloading. And if you only use text groups which considcering your complaining is unlikely. Use google groups or one of the free text only servers. There are a few out there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14773351 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:09:12 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772936 drunkgoat : Well this is positivly disapointing :(

Of course Rogers wouldn't be so kinda as to really inform us of this, they hide it in some seldom viewed page.

Atleast we can all take comfort in the knowledge that Rogers will be fair to their customers and minus whatever money they are saving from scrapping usenet from our bills.

Oh yeah wait this is Rogers... the same company that cut our speeds in half without warning or price adjustment, got us all to buy their modems, then capped us and took away our fast usenet access, and now they are taking away our slow usenet access.

We definatly need some more competition in this industry, I hope bell picks up and actually challenges Rogers.

Right now this is a market where the consumer has little choice and therefore little power.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772936 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:06:11 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772423 sm00nie : bahh I'm disappointed.. I'm in the programming environment and a great deal of support I receive and give are through this service. A lot of old school professors and programmers I've come to know and work with are exclusively on newsgroups.

I'll definitely be letting Rogers know of my disappointment (not that it will change anything)... and search for another affordable newsgroup provider.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772423 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:14:25 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772403 FireHazard : I agree with HiVolt. We all knew it was coming, it was just a matter of time.

I'm one of those guys who bought the Sb5100 for $100, soley for newsgroups. When rogers cut the speeds for retention. I jumped ship and payed my $14.95 to Newshosting.

There's probably not going to be much network speed improvements by scrapping usenet, cuz all i do is download.
No big loss for you guys who like the free thing.

That child porn thing was a bit odd. What the hell is the Canadian Coalition Against Internet Child Exploitation? The fact that they have an acronym for it creeps the hell out of me. People are into that kind of shit?

Sheessssh....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772403 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:10:06 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772261 jono181 :
said by shudwein See Profile :

first BT, now Giganews? Goodbye Rogers!

BS! If Rogers wanted to prevent distribution of child pornography, they should stop providing internet access all together.
Yeah, I like how that's the only reason they give for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772261 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:45:42 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772246 jono181 : So all the new unsuspecting people that sign up for Rogers will now be pleasantly surprised to find out there is no usenet newsgroups. Wow, nice one Rogers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772246 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:43:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772195 y2dan : What other newsgroups services would you all recommend?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772195 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:35:19 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772014 anon : hahaha it just gets better and better. any day now the switch will happen on my end.. no more rogers, no more bs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14772014 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:11:22 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771482 shudwein : first BT, now Giganews? Goodbye Rogers!

BS! If Rogers wanted to prevent distribution of child pornography, they should stop providing internet access all together.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771482 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:00:41 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771419 MacGyver : For anyone thinking of jumping to Sympatico, Sympatico's newsgroups have had all the binary groups removed for several years now. So while you can still get text messages, forget any attachments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771419 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:52:01 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771247 sstackho : Wow.

Rogers' newsgroups access was actually the biggest impediment for me to NOT leave Rogers. I decided to leave anyway because of the threatened caps, but always kept my eye on Rogers.

My elderly father bought the Extreme modem solely FOR newsgroups, which were then throttled one month later (and no refund given).

On Sympatico, I purchase pay-by-download from Astraweb, and I'm happy with it, although I don't freely download gigabytes like I used to on Rogers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771247 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:30:32 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771244 puzz1ed :
said by sbrook See Profile :

2-3 dollars per subscriber per month = 2 to 3 million dollars per month! 24-36 million per year.
Considering I pay approaching $50/month....

Actually, I really think that Rogers will eventually discontinue everything unless they're getting some kind of ad revenue from it. They see that people can get mail/webspace for free and nobody cares about the "content" on Rogers/Yahoo web page. I figure they'll keep that if they start putting up Google AdSense stuff on it. People are more sophisticated than 10 years ago and don't need the ISP bundled stuff as much so Rogers is there to seize the opportunity to squeeze you a bit more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14771244 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:30:24 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770863 sbrook :
said by puzz1ed See Profile :

If so few people are using Usenet, it couldn't possibly cost that much for them to have it. Even the entire Yahoo package of mail, web, & premium services only cost $2-3 per subscriber per month.
2-3 dollars per subscriber per month = 2 to 3 million dollars per month! 24-36 million per year.

I suspect it's actually a lot less than that from Giganews ... but still a significant chunk of change.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770863 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:41:39 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770832 corster : "
As a member of Canadian Coalition Against Internet Child Exploitation (CCAISE) Rogers is committed to reducing the effectiveness of Usenet as a distribution vehicle for child exploitation images.

For both of these reasons, Rogers has decided to stop providing Usenet service to Rogers Yahoo customers effective December 15, 2005."

hmm... genius.... then how about blocking those newsgroups?
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i don't need binary groups, but my parents use the cruise and travel groups and they like having them, they dont like Google Groups
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Pretty soon Rogers will discontinue everything and only provide a connection albeit that wouldn't be so bad it not for the throttling.

BTW, I hate when companies try to throw up silly smoke screens like that "canceling it because of child porn" crap. Please. You're cancelling it to shave some costs and because you'll probably get away with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770806 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:33:39 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770313 sbrook : Not a HUGE loss, but I agree that eliminating binaries would have solved the problem that they *claim* they are trying to resolve. The answer is probably that they are on another round of cost cutting and this probably the easiest thing that will cause the least screaming.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770313 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:32:49 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770218 anon : No big deal. I've been using Newshosting for almost 2 years now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770218 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:22:14 EDT Re: Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14770050 HiVolt : Well that's certainly a surprise, a total removal of usenet. I thought at first its just a decision not to support binary groups like many other ISP's have done, but still have basic usenet service.

I used the Rogers giganews usenet on occasion at work, but it being capped to a low speed I never really cared much for it.

I'm not gonna cry about it.
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It's too bad too because I really like the current setup with all the retention and completion of Giganews at no extra cost.

-Darryl]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14769889 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:41:37 EDT Rogers DISCONTINUING Usenet service as of Dec 15 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14769820 sbrook : Thanks for the notification Rogers! This was discovered in the FAQ by one of our readers - not notified to us!

As of Dec 15, if you want Usenet, you have to pay for it yourself, or use Google groups for casual lookups.

See here ...

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