Re: Portland can't afford it. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14686186 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:05:31 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:05:31 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14696024 fiberguy : My comment was to let the people vote and make their own choice, but it's clear that some people here think that they know what's better for the people than they themselves do.

I wonder if Illusionist should run for office, because he sure sounds like a politician. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14696024 Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:06:54 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14689613 EnasYorl : States on the West Coast are letting out Child Molesters after a few years. Not to mention Meth Labs are rampant. If you think Drunk drivers are the largest issue. You are NOT informed at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14689613 Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:05:40 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14688308 garagerock :
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P.S. I don't think ANY State should spend Tax money on a wireless network. Spend it on Jails and Roads 1st


So all of your drunk drivers will have a cell to go to? Wow, great foresight. Jails and roads. Sad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14688308 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:56:35 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14688142 fiberguy : I agree - not about tax money either on a wireless network. However, my comment was that if people want it - let them vote for it along with the tax that would pay for it. If the people want it and agree to pay for it? well, then they can have it. And, if the people vote for it and it passes? well, it's their choice and screw the rodes and jails. I believe first and foremost in letting the people speak. It seems to work well in Utah, or was it colorado? One of those two states puts every spending issue before the voters and government grows when the people say so. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14688142 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:27:56 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686881 EnasYorl :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

said by jaybird45 See Profile :

Oregon has no sales tax
Maybe that says alot as to why they are in a financial pickle then.

The way I see it, add one, or open up gambling. :)
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P.S. I don't think ANY State should spend Tax money on a wireless network. Spend it on Jails and Roads 1st.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686881 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:59:51 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686398 dn0 : I lived in Portland a few years back.
Asking for even a .5% sales tax is political suicide.
This is the same scenario that kept the local cable co's from deploying broadband for years.
I worked for the local cable company when I lived there, and I agreed with there reluctance to deploy broadband if the the city going to force them to allow any schmuck onto THEIR lines (PLines that are 100% bought and paid for and maintained by the cable co).
If the city would not have pulled this, then the people would have had broadband years earlier.
This is just like forcing McDonald's to let BK, Wendy's and anyone else sell there burgers at any McDonald's restaurant.

I see that the City of Portland is still looking for suckers...........]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686398 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:28:13 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686186 fiberguy :
said by jaybird45 See Profile :

Oregon has no sales tax
Maybe that says alot as to why they are in a financial pickle then.

The way I see it, add one, or open up gambling. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686186 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:48:57 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686074 jaybird45 : Oregon has no sales tax]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686074 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:30:53 EDT Re: Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685999 fiberguy : Portland can ask for anything they want - if they can get it? that's another question. If a company wants to accept such idiotic terms, then it's their own fault.

So in other words, yea, I foot the bill, take the risk, open my private network to everyone else and stand to loose everything is and or when it fails? I'd like to shake the hand of the CEO of THAT company, as he's walking out the door for the last time and I say "hahahah - bye bye!" :)

These are things you put to the voters. Ask them if they want it and tell them the price. Add a half cent sales tax if they want it. When will government stop this BS of making decisions for everyone and start asking the public on these issues? It would server two purposes. 1) Find out if there is even a demand for it. If only 20% say yes, then it's a waste of money. 2) If the people want it bad enough and flip a measly half cent on the sales tax, then the public has paid for it, the city can open the network to providers, create some more tax revenue, etc.. It's just a smarter way to go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685999 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:17:14 EDT Portland can't afford it. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685794 clevere1 : For one, Portland can't afford to build it themselves. The Entire fricking state is in die straights when it comes to money.

If the companies agree to Portland's terms, let them build it.

They will may more revenue leasing the connection to other companies, and it would be cheaper than having to support "users".
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Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and thought to myself - "Where the hell is the ceiling???"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685794 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:37:56 EDT