Re: Great Plan in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14666323 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:01:51 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:01:51 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14688510 anon :
Now see? A perfect example:

"Then again, I'm not from some backwards-assed part of the world where $10 is considered such big money as to be classed "thorugh the nose". If you had a spouse or kids, I imagine they must just love gift-giving holidays."

You profess to be intelligent, yet you have to resort to this kind of attack and belittle type of post, instead of saying something intelligent, or, attempting to engage me in conversation. What's the matter? Did I hurt your widdle feelings?

"Then again, I was brought up not to be a freaking free-loader. I was brought up to try to show at least a modicum of appreciation for good efforts. Obviously, our upbringings differed."

Isn't that nice? Yes, it is your privlege to pay for something that is free if you like, it just doesn't necessarilly make you very smart. I'm sure that the operators of this site do very well as far as income goes, with their ads, membership fees and what not. The point that seems to escape you is that the operators of this board allow anonymous posting and set no apparent limit on same, I would assume because they feel that such posts have the potential to raise the quality of the board. That being the case, one cannot be a "freeloader" if one is allowed to use the board in this manner, now can one? Since it stands to reason that if the operators of this board did not want "freeloaders" on their site, they would not allow anonymous posting.

I have no clue as to your upbringing. However, it does seem to me from a general perusal of your posts that you are a somewhat angry individual. However, I wont ask why that is because, frankly, I dont care and, in any case, I'm not going to lower myself to the same tactics that you seem to like.

There is one thing about such tactics I will comment on, however. They are a sign of a intellectually bankrupt mind that has nothing of substance to add and is, in the end, nothing but childish lashing out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14688510 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:28:48 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686275 nixen :
said by Fatal Vector :

But then, you feel free to pay through the nose for your "premium" membership for whatever "extras" and such that it gives you.
Wasn't aware that a one-time $10 fee was "through the nose". Then again, I'm not from some backwards-assed part of the world where $10 is considered such big money as to be classed "thorugh the nose". If you had a spouse or kids, I imagine they must just love gift-giving holidays.:uhh:

As to why I voluntarily pay for a service that is free? It's to try to help support something that is fundamentally a good service. There's lots of things that I hit the "donate" button for that I technically don't have to. Then again, I was brought up not to be a freaking free-loader. I was brought up to try to show at least a modicum of appreciation for good efforts. Obviously, our upbringings differed.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14686275 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:06:39 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685688 Fluker : I actually would say I don't use what I have "just because its there". I do have a somewhat top of the line computer but it serves a purpose. I have 500 gigs in storage and a 3000+ overclocked cpu, but this is because video editing is my main need for pushing my computer to its limits. I spent about as little as possible getting a radeon 7000 video card because that is all I really need.

check indyskate.com and about 90% of the videos found on that site were captured in dv, edited, and uploaded from this computer. Grabbing pictures and videos not found on the site from my computers is the larger part of why my bandwidth usage is so high and FTP'ing a 4gb avi to and from other people that like to play with video is not uncommon for me.
And very technically I do have a business class connection. I really don't know though because it's billed through my rent. But I would assume that anybody wiring an entire apartment with symmetrical 10mps could only find an isp willing to wire it as business usage.

My ISP is wintek and to paraphrase my landlord "We don't care just don't download kiddy porn"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685688 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:18:17 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685247 anon : since it's Halloween, I'll play "Devils advocate"

The only reason anyone would go over a 300 Gb cap is if they were running a commercial server of some kind, spamming, serving pirated software, using a residential connection for business use, etc. Somehow, I just cant see what the hell anyone would be downloading with bit torrent either to use that much capacity, allthough I'm sure a few could find something.

The average Joe box of rocks is not going to come anywhere near that on a monthly basis and the fact is, you are not supposed to be doing such things on a residential connection, now are you? The ISP has every legitimate reason to stop you hogging bandwith that you shouldn't be hogging. If you're running a server, etc, then you are supposed to be on a business connection, aren't you?

I love watching the pseudo intellectuals here allways whining about how they need more bandwidth and speed, when in reality, most of them dont fully utilize the speed they allready have It's the same mindset as when Intel and AMD were selling CPU's on the basis of speed and I bet they were some of the ones allways "upgrading" time after time every few months because they just HAD to be on the "bleeding edge".

Note how the speed game is currently non existent except, perhaps, in the marketing of video cards to the gamers who still have that same mindset, since business and consumer got wise to the markrting ploy and, also note how the prices of computers have come crashing down, especially with the flood of older P2's and P3's, which are still quite usable for most people, on the market.

I suppose the answer is, as allways: If you go for the marketing scam, you deserve what you get. If you want truly "unlimited" Bandwidth, then you are going to have to pay for it by getting a business connection. To the average joe, 300 GB a month IS unlimited. To the few of you who do use that kind of bandwidth, it's not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685247 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:54:36 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685105 anon :
And, here we go with the "anonymous post" comeback again.I think you need to get a clue, myself. Seems that you believe that anyone who disagrees with you, or, any "Member" of this forum automatically posts anonymously. Myself, I dont see the difference in being registered or not. It's still my opinion and, if the operators of this site thought like you, there would be no anonymous posting, now would there? Perhaps there is so as to stir up the pot and encourage fresh thinking from time to time?

But, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong, even though it's unlikely. But then, you feel free to pay through the nose for your "premium" membership for whatever "extras" and such that it gives you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14685105 Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:27:33 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14683566 bent : You obviously can't conceive of any other use for broadband connections. I don't telecommute, other than occasionally VPN tunneling in to the network at the office. What I do is research, and it often involves very large PDF, or graphics heavy pages, or many page loads. Every second I can shave off of every action makes me more efficient, and being more efficient means that I make more money. I can absolutely tell the difference between my 1.5/768 dsl at the office and my 6meg cable connection at home.

You're in the Navy? Well, then it's time to grow up, be a man, and recognise that there are other uses for a high speed connection that you might know nothing about.
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And as far as the P2P discussion goes, it honestly got big right about at the same point that broadband became widely available to most any type of city area. I remember this being somewhere around '98-'99, but we were in a very small city..

But usenet, FTP, http and maybe even gopher if I remember right were a way to get lots of legit and non-legit stuff for years and years before that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14678673 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:18:14 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14677400 Goober : I have an 8Mb connection because I like my internet fast for the times I use it. Nothing wrong with that.

I also have 6 PCS, an Xbox and 2 ReplayTVs all networked and possibly accessing the internet. No P2P.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14677400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:05:28 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14676086 diablc : pcanywhere and gotomypc all can work with dialup... still you aren't transfering a gig of of infomation daily to warrant anything above 1.5... i probably transfer more with my xbox in a day of playing halo than most people who don't use p2p, usenet, or online gaming than most people in a week easy... That's why i have a 6 mb connection... because while playing i still need to finish that 4 gig file i need to upgrade my linux.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14676086 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:22:31 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14671185 nixen : A job in the porn industry isn't necessary to be helped by or require a broadband connection.

Then again, from the sounds of things, you aren't doing telepresence-based work. So, from your limited experience, you apparently haven't encountered situations where having more than a single-user dedicated T1's worth of bandwidth is either helpful or required.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14671185 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:16:22 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14669024 diablc : I am sure people see a gigantic difference in the search times on google when you have a 6mb connection over a 1.5mb connection...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14669024 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:39:43 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14669016 diablc : no tom... my job isn't in the porn industry, where you might you use tons of bandwith sneaking aways from your wife in the middle of the night... I am actually in the navy... my ENTIRE ships shares a T1 connection in port. and everyone seems to be able to read their emails and go to ebay, and google just fine. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14669016 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:37:42 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14668763 ke4pym :
said by some guy :

p2p users will switch ports

they aren't that stupid

p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
Well, they are, if they switch ports on a network that has wire speed deep packet inspection devices on it.... (read: they'll still get blocked).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14668763 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:11:29 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14667573 ricep5 : Why should Bell South care what I do on a DSL line?

If I need more phone lines to make more voice calls, they don't care what I am talking about on them, I pay, they provide.

If I want to watch 150 channels on Comcast, do they care? I pay, they provide.

This provincial posture on data services is driving me nuts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14667573 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:51:23 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14667121 Joe123456789 :
said by diablc See Profile :

said by djrobx See Profile :

if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups...
What about windows update?
How Big will the visa updates be?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14667121 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:44:11 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666874 stomp357 : if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups... everything else i can use my sprint cell phone to do... for a lot less.... I remember connecting to BBS back in the day, i was only like 8 or so, but i remembered why i want a the new zoom 9600 baud modem, because i could download civlization 1 a whole lot quicker than my hayes 4800 baud modem.

If it takes you a month to transfer 1-2 gigs of junk, and you are paying $50 a month... you might as well put a supercharger and a racing wing on a geo metro. it works about the same...

I have BS DSL Extreme, and I never use P2P as it is only as fast as ISDN, or slower. I get better results from Usenet. My broadband is for gaming, and file downloads (not from P2P). I need unlimited, instant bandwidth to the point where only the computer's bus architecture is the bottleneck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666874 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:18:13 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666743 nixen :
said by diablc See Profile :

if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups...
The words of someone that doesn't use their broadband for their job. Your three reasons sound like the reasons of someone that still lives with mommy and daddy (or, at least off their largesse).

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666743 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:03:51 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666711 oliphant :
said by stickstickly :

And USENET and IRC were around long before Cox@Home, so what's your point?
That P2P isn't the reason people have broadband as asserted here »Great Plan
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said by G_Poobah See Profile :

yes, but I'll encrypt my traffic, then they can't tell what kind of traffic it is..

It's coming, it can't be stopped.
One needn't see the packet payload to derive a throttleable utilization pattern from the data sent.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666691 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:58:29 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666675 nixen :
said by stickstickly :

And USENET and IRC were around long before Cox@Home, so what's your point?
You're forgetting about FTP and FSP. Not exactly P2P, but they were popular for grabbing files.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666675 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:56:06 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666656 nixen :
said by bereasonable :

what point are you trying to make? p2p started before broadband -- so what? go try to download a 600mb demo on dial up and tell me how many days it takes.
So what? Just because you can't wait for a download, doesn't mean that slower methods aren't viable.

said by bereasonable :

have you played on-line games using dial up? try it then come back and make a point.
In fact, yes, I have played on-line games over dial up. I've played them on dial-up (anyone remember the old acoustic-coupler modems?), ISDN, DSL and on OC links (I've played online games since the late 80s). What's your point? Depending on how well the game is coded for a given media will dictate how well the game plays on that media. What used to really suck was playing on a fast link versus people on slower links because of the way that games used to compensate for the slower clients.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666656 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:53:34 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666599 nixen :
said by oliphant See Profile :

Yes, you are easily confused.
Which probably explains the anonymous post: couldn't figure out how to register.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666599 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:47:06 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666585 nixen :
said by bereasonable :

then why pay for high speed if you are "garden variety" users??? there's just absolutely no point to having high speed if all you do is read blogs and upload school projects, send emails... blah blah blah...
Sorry, but P2P isn't the only reason to have big bandwidth. There are those of us who actually use our broadband for work. Telepresence and telecommuting both benefit greatly from broadband. This is especially so if you're having to work with graphical applications that run remotely but display locally.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666585 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:45:24 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666353 IPingUPing : What P2P is is just a way for cheap companies to push the connectivity costs off to the users and ISP's. If you want to distribute a patch for your game buy a pipe or don't get in the business. I can probably count on my hand the legitimate users of P2P, let's be real about this. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666353 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:20:38 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666335 alg :
said by LittlePoohBah :

You need to get out more. There's actually other things to do then seeing how much you use the internet on a week to week basis. Try getting a girlfriend
High download numbers =! lot of time on the computer. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666335 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:18:32 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666323 alg :
said by oliphant See Profile :

Yes, you are easily confused.
I was thinking the same thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666323 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:17:15 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666263 dvd536 :
said by some guy :

p2p users will switch ports

they aren't that stupid

p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
port wont matter when they're blocking it at the packet level.
edit: typo]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666263 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:08:47 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666242 heels_fan : Broadband internet use is so overated
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666242 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:06:35 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666181 diablc :
said by djrobx See Profile :

quote:
p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
I most certainly did not get broadband for P2P. Hell, half the time I use P2P the files dribble in so slow it might as well be dialup.

Instant, always-on, low latency, internet connectivity is why I like broadband. The ability to remotely access computers and access my own remotely, and to download big software and updates quickly is probably the best things about it for me. I know plenty of nontechnical families with broadband. They just like the faster web browsing without the need to tie up a line or wait for a connection. The minimal speed plans are ideal for most of them.
if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups... everything else i can use my sprint cell phone to do... for a lot less.... I remember connecting to BBS back in the day, i was only like 8 or so, but i remembered why i want a the new zoom 9600 baud modem, because i could download civlization 1 a whole lot quicker than my hayes 4800 baud modem.

If it takes you a month to transfer 1-2 gigs of junk, and you are paying $50 a month... you might as well put a supercharger and a racing wing on a geo metro. it works about the same...
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14666181 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:57:17 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665793 Goober :
said by oliphant See Profile :

said by r81984 See Profile :

p2p started way before broadband. I used to use napster on my dial up way before broadband was popular or even close to being widespread.
I had Cox@Home in late 1996...before Napster was a wet spot on the mattress. No, P2P didn't start way before broadband.
Absolutely agreed. I started with Flashcom 416/416 SDSL from Northpoint back in late 1996.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665793 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:14:30 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665772 Goober :
said by bereasonable :

then why pay for high speed if you are "garden variety" users??? there's just absolutely no point to having high speed if all you do is read blogs and upload school projects, send emails... blah blah blah... people use bt for legit reasons, some don't. there's no way to police what is legit and what isn't. take for example 3dgamers.com where you can download updates for games and demos via BT. are you saying i should wait 5 weeks to download a 300mb demo, paying 45.00$ a month for "HIGH SPEED" ???
I'm not saying anything about what YOU can do. I'm just saying that there're many more uses for broadband than p2p.

I'm 40 years old, I'm not just reading blogs and uploading school projects. And that may just point to the difference in thought.

Kiddees may not have any other reason for high speed access, but those that aren't under 15 years old have potentially more useful things to do on the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665772 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:10:45 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665692 djrobx :
quote:
p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
I most certainly did not get broadband for P2P. Hell, half the time I use P2P the files dribble in so slow it might as well be dialup.

Instant, always-on, low latency, internet connectivity is why I like broadband. The ability to remotely access computers and access my own remotely, and to download big software and updates quickly is probably the best things about it for me. I know plenty of nontechnical families with broadband. They just like the faster web browsing without the need to tie up a line or wait for a connection. The minimal speed plans are ideal for most of them.
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said by bereasonable :

get high speed ultra lite then if you don't wanna tie up your phone line? do you know what you are talking about? dsl doesn't tie up your home phone line either...? you confuse me.
Ultralite...what the hell is that? Broadband is broadband whether it's 768kbps DSL or 7.1Mbps DSL. And no, DSL doesn't tie of my phone line...that's the whole point which is why the original poster is in error. There are plenty of reasons to have broadband and none of them include P2P.

Yes, you are easily confused.
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WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING, except ending slavery, facism, communism, Nazism....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665163 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:51:17 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665161 whoamIoramI : the last time I used P2P was when napster was free back in 2000 or so.

I have broadband bec I need it for my school. My profs post powerpoints ranging from 5-80mb...just would take too long with dial up.

My parents have broadband as do my brothers and none use P2P. So that is 4 households right there with broadband but no P2P usage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665161 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:51:13 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665150 oliphant :
said by r81984 See Profile :

p2p started way before broadband. I used to use napster on my dial up way before broadband was popular or even close to being widespread.
I had Cox@Home in late 1996...before Napster was a wet spot on the mattress. No, P2P didn't start way before broadband.
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WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING, except ending slavery, facism, communism, Nazism....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665150 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:50:11 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665078 anon : You need to get out more. There's actually other things to do then seeing how much you use the internet on a week to week basis. Try getting a girlfriend]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665078 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:40:50 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665006 G_Poobah : yes, but I'll encrypt my traffic, then they can't tell what kind of traffic it is..

It's coming, it can't be stopped.
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Grand Poobah]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14665006 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:32:07 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664993 G_Poobah : 300gb/month?

so, your traffic looks a lot like mine!
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Broadband does have legit uses.

Although my 300gb monthly indicates otherwise.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664945 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:23:31 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664931 anon : my argumement is, the internet is evolving and the needs of each individual customer varies. perhaps some company needs to exist for people alone like myself who aren't just garden variety users. we may be using the connection for different reasons. but we both expect to get what we pay for. am i right or am i wrong?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664931 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:21:20 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664907 anon : My point exactly,
Who needs REALLY fast speeds? Believe it or not, (hey ripley) alot of 'winners' make money from p2p: hardware companies, media (blanks) companies, right down to the guy that puts the fiber/dsl/cable line to the building. These people earn a living, stop p2p, and you plug-up your return on investment, ie shoot yourself in the foot. The tricky part is when telcos become telco/cablecos and have a vested interest in skimming from both pots, things will get interesting, to say the least...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664907 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:18:17 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664838 radarman : I have a broadband connection because FreeBSD (at the time) was releasing new versions a lot more frequently, and broadband made running 'cvsup ports' and 'portupgrade -rR ' feasible. (try that on a dialup...)

As a bonus, I can access my system from work or while travelling, and check on things. This is one MAJOR reason I have broadband.

More lately, though, I have enjoyed having it because I save a crap load of money by using Vonage for all of my long distance calls. I figure I probably save over a $100/mo (in all seriousness, probably closer to $150/mo) by not paying per minute.

And no, I don't run any P2P apps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664838 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:10:40 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664830 anon : what point are you trying to make? p2p started before broadband -- so what? go try to download a 600mb demo on dial up and tell me how many days it takes. have you played on-line games using dial up? try it then come back and make a point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664830 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:09:44 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664767 r81984 : p2p started way before broadband. I used to use napster on my dial up way before broadband was popular or even close to being widespread.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664767 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:00:58 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664763 anon : get high speed ultra lite then if you don't wanna tie up your phone line? do you know what you are talking about? dsl doesn't tie up your home phone line either...? you confuse me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664763 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:00:42 EDT Re: Great Plan http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664750 TKJunkMail :
said by some guy :

p2p users will switch ports

they aren't that stupid

p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
And the ISP's will buy already existing hardware that recognizes traffic type no matter what port they are on.
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said by some guy :

p2p users will switch ports

they aren't that stupid

p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
LOL...oh yeah...everyone on broadband is on there for P2P. LMAO Wishful thinking there sport.
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they aren't that stupid

p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14664620 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:39:40 EDT