low on budget middle of nowhere in Wireless Service Providers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14648437 en Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:12:38 EDT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:12:38 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14858550 Believer : The customer is hoping that's all you will notice! It's a country club so they didn't want to have members complaining. Oddly, they were against a flag pole but where considering having a tower built instead. This was the quickest and easiest option. (For them!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14858550 Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:39:56 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14853012 newbiewisp : i mostly noticed the beautiful blue sky :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14853012 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:43:45 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14853007 newbiewisp : pretty pic :) nice!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14853007 Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:43:05 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14848228 Believer : Finally got the 40' guyed mast up today. Two foot panel attached to an Alvarion VL SU.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14848228 Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:29:36 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14765003 lutful : Among all the humour, did you get your answer yet?

We have one such "RemoteAP" running continuously at the Camp Fortune ski hill in Gatineu since last Christmas. You can try it out sometime if you are in the Ottawa area.

we have installed all sorts of networks (including 45Mbps VSAT) that have survived category 5 hurricanes in the tropics.
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said by newbiewisp See Profile :

I know 120mph...
I will stick with my answer above. Look at how other towers are built. The better ones use the strongest possible configuration...a triangle. Every part of them is a triangle. Use round cross members if you have a choice. They are stronger than flat members, generally speaking, and this will makes it lighter.

As long as your welding is good and clean...it will be strong. Accuracy in the construction is necessary also. The objective is to transfer the load to the base, and avoid torsional twisting. Any point where the load is not transferred...fails.
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14758789 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:53:09 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14758511 newbiewisp : I know 120mph :)but here some statistics.
»www.typhoon2000.ph/season04.htm
guy wire is out of the questions...land is not mine.we are just gonna rent about 3 square meter just for the tower to build on.The subject is off topic for this forum but since u guys have a lot of experience in building tower or erecting them i might just as well ask em'.
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One man's garbage is another man's treasure]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14758511 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:10:26 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14757164 John Galt :
said by newbiewisp See Profile :

We are currently planning to build a 20 feet 1-1/2"diameter pipe tower(no guy wires) to put up on the hilltop similar to this picture...my question is...how far apart do we have to put the pipes to withstand a 120 miles/hr wind the load is very small only the access point and the antenna.Obviously the farther apart those thee legs the more stable and stronger it is...
Well, what you are asking is an "engineering question"...and I am not an engineer, at least not a mechanical engineer.

AND you are asking for 120 MPH...Haahahahaha!

;)

I would suggest that the 1-1/2" pipes be 18" apart and built using a triangular lattice, similar to this:

»www.radiancorp.com/Catalog/T2/Mi···?Search=

I am not sure that you need build a tower such as this for 20 feet...it might be better to just use a guyed mast..it is only 20 feet.
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14757164 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:38:41 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14753563 newbiewisp : We are currently planning to build a 20 feet 1 1/2"diameter pipe tower(no guy wires) to put up on the hilltop similar to this picture...my question is...how far apart do we have to put the pipes to withstand a 120 miles/hr wind the load is very small only the access point and the antenna.Obviously the farther apart those thee legs the more stable and stronger it is...but is there a rule of thumb or calculation to achieve the strenght i need...i'm asking this because obviously the cost...the farther the legs apart the more steel bar i need to reinforced the pipes.The base is no problem it will be a concrete cement :)sorry if this is off topic.. thanks again.
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said by Believer See Profile :

Anything we should look out for?
Yep!, The up/down tilt adjustment?. You will have to "guesstimate" the right tilt. Depending on how high the gain is, this may be a PITA??
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The bottom 7ft of the mast will be attached to a chimney and we were planning on rotating it at the bottom to align it. Since the mast easily spins inside the guy rings we didn't think it would be a problem. Once it's attached and tightened at the base, I wouldn't expect it to go out of alignment.

Anything we should look out for?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14730374 Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:34:24 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14730063 superdog :
said by Believer See Profile :

What were the problems you were having with directional antennas on the guyed mast? Wind blowing them out of alignment?
Nope. Just getting to them period. The only way to align a directional antenna, especially on a PtP link, is to get up there with it. This is next to impossible with a mast, unless You do something dangerous like we used to and prop an extension ladder against it or use scaffolding, which takes 2 hours to erect just to spend 10 minutes mounting and aligning an antenna.:huh:
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said by newbiewisp See Profile :

is this same principle as the the one used in building renovation?i'm curious...
Yes it is. I don't have it anymore, as I put up a tower in place of the mast. It was a real PITA erecting the scaffolding every time I had an issue, and it always seemed like nothing went wrong until midnight in February. It's a lot of fun being on a roof @ 3AM with a steady wind in below freezing temps.:(
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said by newbiewisp See Profile :

If you put up 40'mast,what kind of tower is it?because in orde for you to pull that up by yourself..it's gotta be really light.The pipe that we used is a 2" GI pipe..used for underground water pipe...very heavy...more than 50lbs each.I took 5 people to pull this thing up.
»www.tessco.com/products/displayH···ntPage=1

The 40' model on this page is what I have....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14713354 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:58:00 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14712739 newbiewisp : If you put up 40'mast,what kind of tower is it?because in orde for you to pull that up by yourself..it's gotta be really light.The pipe that we used is a 2" GI pipe..used for underground water pipe...very heavy...more than 50lbs each.I took 5 people to pull this thing up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14712739 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:48:59 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14711160 John Galt : Fascinating installation...especially with the 2" pipe!

:o

But thanks for the pics. And the drawings. Great stuff. You are to be applauded for your persistence and initiative.

I did notice one thing, though. You have four guy wires on your mast. This is generally "frowned upon" since that particular configuration does not transfer the loads correctly. This is why you see towers with only three attachment points...

If the guys are "loose" then that is one thing. If they are tensioned then you MUST use only three points spaced 120* apart.

Otherwise, the whole thing WILL fall down...
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said by newbiewisp See Profile :

:) I'm not saying that your design is bad nor i'm competing with your design.If i sounded that way.. i apologize.This tower is for areas that has the same situation than i do.This is for the tropics,with lots of rain,constant wind gust,heat,humudity,huricanes...lots of mosquitoes :)
No offense taken or intended. I just didn't want anyone to see that mast and hear my "not difficult to raise or lower by myself". My entire mast weighs 50lbs or less and is telescopic. I believe it is an excellent budget method for gaining height and feel like it is very sturdy once installed properly! The mast that you installed just looks significantly heavier duty than mine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14709903 Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:32:17 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14708951 newbiewisp : :) I'm not saying that your design is bad nor i'm competing with your design.If i sounded that way.. i apologize.This tower is for areas that has the same situation than i do.This is for the tropics,with lots of rain,constant wind gust,heat,humudity,huricanes...lots of mosquitoes :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14708951 Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:38:46 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14708709 PersComp : Ummm, upon closer inspection, that is slightly more substantial than my Rohn roof mount kit. I still stick by my installation method, but don't let my "It's really not bad to raise and lower" comment apply to this visual. Mine is of a much lighter duty!!! I'll try to get some pics soon, but it is usually dark when I get home since the time changed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14708709 Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:10:27 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14708390 newbiewisp : When i do things i always draw it first...it's more visual..i'm not into reading instructions :)Here's how i did that tower..PERSCOMP have retty much explained the procedure.I also have the tower of my windpower..it's similar design.
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said by kewlkeed See Profile :

Looks good. Man I'd hate to service that thing if it ever acted up though.
It's really not bad to raise and lower. Once the guys are all set, I just drop it down to the 10' level, do what I need and then raise it back up. As long as you can get it down to the 10' level, you can reach it from a 6' step ladder and be 2-3 steps from the top. Tweak a guy if needed and all done within an hour or so. The whole thing only weighs about 50lbs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14702637 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:42:21 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14702555 PersComp : I put a 40' telescopic mast like that on my roof. I am not sure if I qualify as a step by step guide, but I think all went well with mine and here is what I did. And, I try to be careful as I respect gravity ;) and realize that the sudden stop at the bottom is not good for equipment or the human body!!! :D

»www.tessco.com/products/displayH···ntPage=1

It was actually easily done by myself in about 5 hours on a Saturday. I mounted it in a 5' tripod. I had to drill the rivets out of the tripod and replace them with 1/4"x20x1" bolts to make the diameter of the tripod center large enough for the mast. I bolted it all together on the ground and carried it up to roof as one piece. I attached the entire tripod as well as the base mount of the mast to a sheet of plywood that I had cut in half (so that each half layed on one side of the peak of the roof). I then plumbed the entire assembly with a level in several directions.

I measured and set all guy wires to the guy wire rings on the mast and left them loose. I guyed the 10' section and tightened them, then double checked plumb. I used a 6' step ladder beside the tripod for the rest. Once all was good there, I raised each section going from the top to the bottom and locking each one in place. This way, all work is done at 10' above roof level. Once I got it all the way up, I went back to the ground and started adjusting my guys. The entire assembly felt remarkably secure even though the 30' from the 10' guy to the top was not guyed for about 10 minutes. WARNING!!! Only do this on a VERY calm day. Also, use gloves while raising or lowering the sections. They are very easy to control when you just use your grip to lower it or to rest while raising it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14702555 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:33:42 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14702498 kewlkeed : Looks good. Man I'd hate to service that thing if it ever acted up though.

LOL yeah the "big O" is a deathtrap (Was just there this weekend for the monster truck show, could have sworn I saw pieces of the roof falling down)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14702498 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:28:15 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14701946 freedom357 : Is there a step by step guide anywhere that i can learn how to install a large mast like that??

curious

freedom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14701946 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:09:51 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14699955 newbiewisp : NOT TO MENTION OUR OLYMPIC STADIUM :)IT COST US OVER A BILLION DOLLARS AND IT'S FALLING ON OUR HEADS :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14699955 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:41:23 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14698090 newbiewisp : I had to put a chicken wire around the xo :) the next door kid found a new target for his slingshot.
 
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14698090 Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:19:43 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14677029 kewlkeed : Champlain bridge... Don't think traffic is the problem... More like collapsing when a single mosquito lands on it. Love the quality of thoes Quebec roads!
:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14677029 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:03:24 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14672512 John Galt : Well, given THOSE choices...

8 dB gain antenna on the hilltop and 19 dB panel at the school.
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i'm doing this for free so i don't have much of a choice.thanks
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14671978 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:10:21 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14669590 newbiewisp : ur funny...champlain bridge would not be a good link..so much traffic :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14669590 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:20:01 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14669544 newbiewisp : :) kinda don't mix eh???... the coconut trees to montreal canada doesn't it :)sorry about that...2 years ago i did open a computer business in my country(Philippines)i kinda saw that wisp has a potential in the rural areas specially in the places that has constant typhoons(huricanes)telepnone lines are limited in these areas.As u can see my connection to the internet is from a satellite(128kbps).Most of my knowledge about wisp comes from this forum...i learn as i go on.That's why i tried to explain myself and not to sound stupid.Most of my project went well...u just have to use common sense.It's a remote location...I tried to buy everything here in canada,but once you are there it takes about two days to go the main city(manila)to buy anything u need.The 2nd main reason i go back there is these :) ...»www.surf.com.ph/photos.htm
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:D

freedom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14667894 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:47:53 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14667648 snowpro2000 : oh! its the south shore of Montreal....i pick up my banana's from there year round.

I have a bridge to sell you also, its called the Champlain bridge. Take your pick: Ottawa or Montreal. With this bridge you will always have a link!

Paul]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14667648 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:04:45 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14656493 VariableARK : just about to say that, doesnt look like montreal to me, i dont think montreal reached 45c ever, maybe 45f!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14656493 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:55:49 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14656032 bito :
said by John Galt See Profile :

Where is this project located? Your location says Montreal, QC...this looks a little more temperate than that...
Ha! I was thinking the same thing. The palm trees threw me off ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14656032 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:54:29 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14655833 John Galt :
said by newbiewisp See Profile :

about 13124.755829684958 km more or less ;)
You mean to WalMart, of course...!

;)

Where is this project located? Your location says Montreal, QC...this looks a little more temperate than that...
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said by vincentfox See Profile :

Even your basic trolling-motor battery from WalMart would be a better buy than a car battery.
And the nearest Walmart from his location is where...??

;)
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Recommend you look for "deep cycle" batteries. Car batteries are not built to be discharged very deeply, and will go bad quickly if you do that. For a dollars more you can get ones that can handle lots of full discharge cycles and you will save money in the long run by not having to replace them so often. Even your basic trolling-motor battery from WalMart would be a better buy than a car battery. They make gel-cell batteries for alarm systems and the like, those are also very good as far as money and light weight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654935 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:15:35 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654579 newbiewisp : here's some pics ill post the tower pic tomorrow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654579 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:27:18 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654206 newbiewisp : no road it's a snake infested hill...no joking.a soon as i get the pics you'll see :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654206 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:29:36 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654123 harvSki : I'm sure a big strong chap like you could manage a car battery ;)

I was imagining that there was a road to the top, all the hills round my way are <70m]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654123 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:15:31 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654062 newbiewisp : :)well yeah if you use truck batteries...now try to go up the hill with two of those on your back..lol...we will be using motorcycle batteries...much easier to carry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14654062 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:07:19 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14653967 harvSki : We have had some successes with Dlink 900 + APs but not without modification (getting the soldering iron out). Have found much better results with Osbridge units for the extra money they make the service really work properly.

I would have thought that running an access point from a car / truck battery you would be able to get a week or more. I'm sure John G will chime in with some calcs ;)

Good luck with your endevours

Harvey
»www.stourvalleywireless.org.uk]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14653967 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:48:41 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14653672 vincentfox : A high-gain omni is usually a very POOR choice due to it's thin disk of high-gain. It's only a few degrees thick so it's easy to be under or over that plane and not be getting good signal.

It is usually preferred to use directional antenna and 2 radio units at repeater stations.

If you must use a single radio and omni, then use a medium-gain omni since it gives you a broader beam. Then use high-gain directionals on the other ends to hit the omni.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14653672 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:52:22 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14653440 newbiewisp : yes i would love to post some pics here...i'll show u some of the crazy things we tried to achieve hehe!!! oh did i mention while putting up that tower and all that cables...there are power lines around us :)this kind of working conditions i can probably get sued in US if someone get hurt...but this is a third world country people don't mind get a shock of electricity sometimes :) in conclusion i think ill try to buy a repeater use a 15dBi omni, hopefully both side will be able to catch the signal...bytheway just to make u guys laugh a little...the repeater is going to be powered by a 2x20amp battery it will give us a few days to power it..since there is no power on the top of the hill,the battery needs to be replaced every few days by a newly charged battery..lol...no solar nor windpower(too expensive)

Always Live Life to the Fullest...Don't ever quit believing in yourself,
As long as you believe you can,
You will have reason for trying.

Thanks again guys.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14653440 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:08:55 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14652035 John Galt :
said by newbiewisp See Profile :

From the help of this forum i was able to put up a 40 feet tower on a top of a building using a 2" pipe with 12 cables for support.Set the airpoint xo and a 15 dBi antenna on the top of it.Mounted a satellite on the top of that building,while working,no safety nets ,no safety cables and it's about 45 degrees hot outside..connected 20 clients using only a pci wireless card using a 14 dBi backfire antenna.Being said all that...is because i like what John has just said..."The bottom line is that you have to stick to it and make it work...no matter what it takes."

Thanks John lol!!!
You're scaring me...!

:huh:

;)

You need to take a picture of this "arrangement" and post them here so we can see.

While I support the "do-it-yourself' way of doing things. I am concerned that you may be getting a bit ahead of the "power curve" here.

Forty feet of two-inch pipe falling down is NOT a trivial matter...I know this for a fact!

:huh:

So POST!
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said by newbiewisp See Profile :

my dillema is not the school..I'm trying to come up with a solution that enables me to send signals over the
top of a small hill, and down the other side.Repeaters cut the signal strength in half and im afraid that the consumer grade repeaters are not strong enough even with a 15 dBi omni antenna.The distance between my ap to the hill is about 2km and from the hill to school is about 2-3km.Is there a repeater that would do this task using only an omni antenna???im kinda repeating myself,i'm not too familiar with repeaters...thank you again.
Actually, they cut the data rate in half...

You can do what you want to do, as long as both of the antennas "look" at the repeater and have sufficient signal strength.

Where is this school located? Town? City? Coordinates?
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14652001 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:32:45 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651991 newbiewisp : From the help of this forum i was able to put up a 40 feet tower on a top of a building using a 2" pipe with 12 cables for support.Set the airpoint xo and a 15 dBi antenna on the top of it.Mounted a satellite on the top of that building,while working,no safety nets ,no safety cables and it's about 45 degrees hot outside..connected 20 clients using only a pci wireless card using a 14 dBi backfire antenna.Being said all that...is because i like what John has just said..."The bottom line is that you have to stick to it and make it work...no matter what it takes."

Thanks John lol!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651991 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:28:43 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651879 newbiewisp : my dillema is not the school..I'm trying to come up with a solution that enables me to send signals over the
top of a small hill, and down the other side.Repeaters cut the signal strength in half and im afraid that the consumer grade repeaters are not strong enough even with a 15 dBi omni antenna.The distance between my ap to the hill is about 2km and from the hill to school is about 2-3km.Is there a repeater that would do this task using only an omni antenna???im kinda repeating myself,i'm not too familiar with repeaters...thank you again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651879 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:01:54 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651776 John Galt :
said by newbiewisp See Profile :

i know im asking alot but please just think basic...low on budget middle of nowhere..thanks everyone.
Feel free to use this...if you want.

It probably has virtually NO output power...which is something that you will need for reliability. Look at the spec sheet...it says that it is for extending to the patio...or garage. How far is that?

Not meaning to be "harsh and cruel"...but if you expect a "toy" to do the job...well, it just isn't going to cut it. I understand that the Deliberant is $180 but if you but if you use the Dlink and it doesn't work, then you have spent $101 for nothing.

The real truth is that you should be using a Smartbridges device for this task. Everyone will tell you that it is best to stick with the same brand equipment throughout a network, as "interoperability issues" are sometimes a problem. But that is even more money...

That being said...you came to the WISP forum looking for advice...we gave it to you. Feel free to try your solution. It might work. Regardless of whether or not it works, come back and tell us what you did and whether it worked on not. Feel free to prove us wrong...there are others in this forum that use Dlink and make it work. Our objective here is to help you make it work...regardless of what hardware you use.

Believe me, we have all tried these things before and we know better than most the "grind" that it can be to get things to work. The bottom line is that you have to stick to it and make it work...no matter what it takes.

;)
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651776 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:36:16 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651732 jdmarti1 : You could use one Deliberant 2300 in router mode with a 20 switch and hook both PC's up to it. Simple and very cost effective. I am assuming you own the WISP and want to hookup the school. What are you using for your customers? Just use one of the radios you already use. I know it costs you a bit, but the money you spend to do it right will get you some customers in the end.
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»magicwisp.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651732 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:25:22 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651422 newbiewisp : thanks for the quick reply...wipop is a airpoint xo...the school has 2 computers,which ill probably just hook a wireless pci card(with 15Dbi antenna) and a network card and connect the second computer to that.
To save money i was also thinking of just buying a repeater with 15 dBi omni antenna...but i'm not so sure if the signal can be retransmit from the distance of 2km...deliberant is great but please keep i mind that $180us is alot of money...i know im asking alot but please just think basic...low on budget middle of nowhere..thanks everyone.
»www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/···atId=372]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14651422 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:33:43 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14650302 nwn : Yes, yes the Deliberants. Worth the price and easy to setup. There is also a Deliberant forum at »www.deliberant.us/forums/ you need more help, or ask here.
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Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14650302 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:17:18 EDT Re: low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14648572 John Galt :
said by newbiewisp See Profile :

This is only to provide a internet connection to a school on the other side of the hill???
Use one of these:

»www.deliberant.com/estore/pc-27-···ent.aspx

in the WDS mode. Of course, you still need something to send to this and something at the school to receive it.

Feel free to ask more questions if you need to...

;)
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14648572 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:48:55 EDT low on budget middle of nowhere http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14648437 newbiewisp : »www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/···atId=372

can i use two of this access point back to back (crossover cable)to work as a repeater attach to a 15dBi grid antenna.
This is only to provide a internet connection to a school on the other side of the hill???i know consumer grade access point tends to lockup ...i'm merely doing this for free to help those kids.i'm sure they wouldnt mind going up on the top of that hill once in a while to reset that thing :)if you guys have any other ideas pls point me to the right directions...as i said low on budget middle of nowhere...thanks guys]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14648437 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:32:36 EDT