Re: Disgusting in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14503131 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:18:27 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:18:27 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14511979 Titus Pullo : What I'm talking about goes back to Socrates; and, in more modern times, I believe in so far as the social contract, John Locke.

FWIW, to promote the general welfare and provide for the common good is part of the preamble, but what I'm actually alluding to goes to basic humanism -- not a document. It springs from philosophy, not political doctrine.
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"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose." -- Frederick Douglass]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14511979 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:08:31 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14511914 Titus Pullo : You're flat out wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14511914 Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:58:53 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14505634 John Galt :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

snip!
This "social contract" is one that you are wanting to impose on those who do the "heavy lifting" in the society.

The problem is that you and your "looter ilk" wouldn't recognize "heavy lifting" if it bit you.
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14505634 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:59:40 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14505538 noone1 :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

I think it predates those folks.
It read it as common sense humanism. Google "Social Contract" for yourself and see you can decide for yourself.
If you want to know what our countries "Social Contract" is then read the Constitution. Here are a few interesting facts you might not know.
There is no phrase "Separation of Church and State" in the Constitution. The constitution only outlines that the government shall establish no religion; a far cry from the "separation" movement.
Under the original Constitution, it was illegal for the federal government to have an income tax or social security, etc.
The only role for the Federal Government was to support a limited military that could be bolstered, if needed, by its armed citizenry (2nd amendment).
The individual states were left to decide how they would run their own governments.
There was no "Social Good" considered unless you consider the fact that the government was NOT supposed to be a "safety net" responsible for the "social good." The government was supposed to get OUT of your way.
Good is a subjective.
The US Constitution does not outlay and "Social Contract" for free Wifi like the Mayor in this article states is a "civil right"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14505538 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:41:52 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14504497 Titus Pullo : I think it predates those folks.
It read it as common sense humanism. Google "Social Contract" for yourself and see you can decide for yourself.
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"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose." -- Frederick Douglass]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14504497 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:16:03 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14504093 noone1 :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

On the contrary: the social good is part of the social contract. If you don't know what that concept is, you should want to know. No disrespect intended at all - I just think it's very important.
Who defines "Social Good"? You, Teddy Kennedy? Karl Marx? Pat Roberts? Sounds like legislating morality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14504093 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:08:29 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14504079 noone1 :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

I'd keep hitting the Edit button if I were you :huh:
And from a prior post above quoting you...
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

This is your response? and to only 1/20 of my post?
You just keep hittin 'em out of the park. Don't you, Chuck?
You did not even respond to a single point in my post. Are you being hypocritical?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14504079 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:06:34 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503969 Titus Pullo :
said by John Galt See Profile :

said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

..."Social Good"...
is a key phrase for Looters. Decrypted it means "why should I do for myself when I can take it from YOU?"

Mr. Thompson's office called...you're going to be late for the broadcast.
On the contrary: the social good is part of the social contract. If you don't know what that concept is, you should want to know. No disrespect intended at all - I just think it's very important.
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"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose." -- Frederick Douglass]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503969 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:50:14 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503399 John Galt :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

..."Social Good"...
is a key phrase for Looters. Decrypted it means "why should I do for myself when I can take it from YOU?"

Mr. Thompson's office called...you're going to be late for the broadcast.
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A is A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503399 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:27:14 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503381 Titus Pullo : Another with an itchy edit finger - 50 cents a dance!

Unemployment rates do not equate to an overall quality of life.

And I don't think you know what I mean by "liberal education systems" -- I don't mean they teach liberalism, I mean they provide education and place great importance on it. That's a liberal concept, like it or not. Denmark is a good example.

And before someone says it, I'll answer for you: I don't hate America, I simply hate what it's becoming. You don't need a political party for that.

Besides, given the way our government compiles its own unemployment rates, I'd not put stock in the any number passed along as fact.

At least I use my name, what are you hiding from? You're calling me a hack and you're hiding behind a pseudonym? Who's the real 'hack?
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"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose." -- Frederick Douglass]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503381 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:24:28 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503284 Titus Pullo : I'd keep hitting the Edit button if I were you :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503284 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:12:41 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503199 noone1 :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

It is pathetic how the flaming Left in this country has confused the term "right" and "entitlement." Sure, everyone has a "right" to Wifi. There is nothing stopping you from working, earning some money and buying the needed tools yourself. Its no different than there being a right to free speech and free press. Does this mean the government is required to provide you with the means to exercise those rights? Of course not.

Some other posters here have mentioned guns. Under Mayor Newsom's reasoning, the right to gun ownership requires that the government give free guns out to everyone.
And what's equally pathetic about the flaming right in this country is how they never acknowledge the amount of corporate entitlements handed out in pork barrel spending by right-leaning houses of congress. These particular pols even have the audacity to vote themselves cost of living raises with amazing regularity while refusing to raise the minimum wage, often within the same session. All congresses do it, but at least the left isn't averse to tossing crumbs.
Well, considering the topic has nothing to do with minimum wage, then you are WAY off topic here.
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

In case you didn't know, that's called "Corporate Welfare,"
Again, you are WAY off topic, looks like you just want to rant on. As a small business owner, your so called "corporate Welfare" mean my company pays lower taxes and I can grow my company faster, hire more people and pay them better.
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

but I know you don't consider that an "entitlement" when blowing chow at the thought of giving the poor an education. That's an entitlement too, last I checked. People without children pay taxes for other people's kids to go to school. But I'm sure you'd like to privatize the school system and get rid of public anything. How is it again that more profit for a handful of corporations benefits the many? You've failed to convince me how that works yet.
How can you make ANY assertions as to the prior posters stances on education given what he posted? You can not.
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

Your ignorance to the value of a "Social Good" within a society is eclipsed only by your hatred of what it provides those who would benefit from the concept.
Nice personal attact on the prior poster based purely conjecture from your previous rant above. If ANYONE has hatred, given the tone of your posting, outright attack on a poster without knowing where they stand, it is you. Also, who defines "Social Good"? You, Teddy Kennedy? karl Marx? Pat Roberts? Sounds like legislating morality.
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

The ability for a poor individual to rise above their station in life will increasingly fall to governments worldwide, so I'd get over it or you'll need a bib for all that chow you're going to hurl.
Yes, and this is a continuing problem. The entitlement mentality that has evolved when the social net is too strong. Let the "government do it" really means, take food from MY family, at threat of gun point, and give it to those who did not earn it. It denies my children a better future. I DID work my way up from poverty and only needed to government to help me secure loans for my school, that I have paid back in full plus interest.
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

Nations with liberal education policies have the highest standard of living on the face of the earth -- whatever their political system.
Ok, still way off topic from the original article and prior post but... Our country spends more per student in education then any other, why is our education system ranked much lower? Obviously it is not a money issue.
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

As to the topic of this thread, if Google or some other interest will provide free WiFi to the public, how are you going to stop this from happening and why would you object -- regardless of what a Mayor thinks or says?
Why dont you calm down and read the article and posts again, it is about the Mayor of San Fran saying that free Wifi is a "civil right". I think Martin Luther King Jr. would think other wise. If Google wants to give away free Wifi so they can track your net usage, all the power to them. If the municipal wants to give free Wifi, great! Not a SINGLE person in this WHOLE thread has said otherwise. What is with this last rant about stopping them? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503199 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:02:38 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503131 JSRoman :
said by Titus Pullo See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

It is pathetic how the flaming Left in this country has confused the term "right" and "entitlement." Sure, everyone has a "right" to Wifi. There is nothing stopping you from working, earning some money and buying the needed tools yourself. Its no different than there being a right to free speech and free press. Does this mean the government is required to provide you with the means to exercise those rights? Of course not.

Some other posters here have mentioned guns. Under Mayor Newsom's reasoning, the right to gun ownership requires that the government give free guns out to everyone.
Nations with liberal education policies have the highest standard of living on the face of the earth -- whatever their political system.

Ok,lets look at some of these lovely places with the great liberal education systems.

country- unemployment rates
Germany 10.6%
France 10.1%
Belgium 12%
Italy 8.6%
Slovakia 13.1%
Netherlands 6%
Sweden 5.6%
Denmark 6.1%

For an independent you sure come across like some hack for the DNC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14503131 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:52:54 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14502878 aurora00 : There is nothing stopping you from working, earning some money and buying the needed tools yourself.

True. There is also nothing to stop private entities to build railroads and toll roads and then charge everyone a use fee either. Just like what the country did a century ago. Do you find it disgusting that the government took it upon themselves to build roads and offer it for free to people?

Look there are no lack of proposals from commerical companies to offer the service, apparently costing the city little. People get access in the parks and schools and cafe and hopefully all pocket of households that do not yet have access. I don't understand what the objection is. Do you have a better proposal?

3G, if it is available at all, would cost a bundle. Imagine now that there is universal wireless access. You go to a shop and look at an item. You'll pull your PDA or cellphone and do a search on the UNC code. Immediately it turns out a list of reviews, links to other outlets, and recommendation for alternatives or accessories you'll need. You'd IM your wife. Once she sees the picture she'd told you you got the wrong stuff again! That's new commerce that will be enabled by universal access! You'd bet Google is working on that already!

You'd think broadband report readers are a bunch of smart guys. But when it comes to public project all the anti-government idealogy would just overcome their judgement. Guys I'm off to hack the next big thing for the future of universal connectivity. Go on with your anti-government bashing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14502878 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:19:31 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14502684 Titus Pullo :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

It is pathetic how the flaming Left in this country has confused the term "right" and "entitlement." Sure, everyone has a "right" to Wifi. There is nothing stopping you from working, earning some money and buying the needed tools yourself. Its no different than there being a right to free speech and free press. Does this mean the government is required to provide you with the means to exercise those rights? Of course not.

Some other posters here have mentioned guns. Under Mayor Newsom's reasoning, the right to gun ownership requires that the government give free guns out to everyone.
And what's equally pathetic about the flaming right in this country is how they never acknowledge the amount of corporate entitlements handed out in pork barrel spending by right-leaning houses of congress. These particular pols even have the audacity to vote themselves cost of living raises with amazing regularity while refusing to raise the minimum wage, often within the same session. All congresses do it, but at least the left isn't averse to tossing crumbs.

In case you didn't know, that's called "Corporate Welfare," but I know you don't consider that an "entitlement" when blowing chow at the thought of giving the poor an education. That's an entitlement too, last I checked. People without children pay taxes for other people's kids to go to school. But I'm sure you'd like to privatize the school system and get rid of public anything. How is it again that more profit for a handful of corporations benefits the many? You've failed to convince me how that works yet.

Your ignorance to the value of a "Social Good" within a society is eclipsed only by your hatred of what it provides those who would benefit from the concept. The ability for a poor individual to rise above their station in life will increasingly fall to governments worldwide, so I'd get over it or you'll need a bib for all that chow you're going to hurl. Nations with liberal education policies have the highest standard of living on the face of the earth -- whatever their political system.

As to the topic of this thread, if Google or some other interest will provide free WiFi to the public, how are you going to stop this from happening and why would you object -- regardless of what a Mayor thinks or says?
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"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppose." -- Frederick Douglass]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14502684 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:53:03 EDT Re: Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14502342 HawkI911 : "There is nothing stopping you from working, earning some money and buying the needed tools yourself."

What, welfare doesn't cover all that?

well, I'll see about that!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14502342 Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:04:32 EDT Disgusting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14502283 pnh102 : It is pathetic how the flaming Left in this country has confused the term "right" and "entitlement." Sure, everyone has a "right" to Wifi. There is nothing stopping you from working, earning some money and buying the needed tools yourself. Its no different than there being a right to free speech and free press. Does this mean the government is required to provide you with the means to exercise those rights? Of course not.

Some other posters here have mentioned guns. Under Mayor Newsom's reasoning, the right to gun ownership requires that the government give free guns out to everyone.
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