Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers in Software http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r14467601 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:47:29 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:47:29 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14489310 anon : I've had the same problem with BT Yahoo but your fix worked fine by tweaking it to 'home.btyahoo.com'

Great fix, thanks Hallvord,

Bernie Duggan

Opera-ting since v3.2]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14489310 Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:01:31 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14488387 jimkyle :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

The ua.ini file will only work with version 8 and above.

The biggest reason I would suggest that you update to the newest version is primarily for compatibility issues, such as the type that you seem to be having with Comcast.
The Comcast problem IS with version 8, the one that was distributed during the birthday celebration. My version 7 is on a different machine, and has no problems getting to my sbc.yahoo home page without any funny business. It won't get to the page that these patches are supposed to enable, but that page isn't necessary for sbc-yahoo customers...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14488387 Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:06:01 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14488236 friscotx64 : hallvord,

God Dag!

I'm arriving "a little late to the party", but I had downloaded 8.5 last week and tried logging on to my SBC/Yahoo account. When I did indeed try logging on to URL »dsl.sbc.yahoo.com/, I was 'blocked' by the screen saying that I had to have Internet Explorer 6, etc.

However, I then successfully accessed the main www.yahoo.com website, from which I successfully logged on to my Mail, using my sbcglobal userid and password. And from there, I was able to click on the Yahoo! link in the upper left corner of the page and get back to the main Yahoo page - still logged in.

Clicking on MyYahoo - however - even though I was now already logged in - resulted in the same blocking page as before.

Today - upon discovering this thread - I applied the patches which you recommended - exactly as you described, but upon first attempting to access my SBC/Yahoo account (even though I accepted all of SBC/Yahoo's offered cookies under Opera 8.5), I was again blocked by the previously-mentioned page. So I tried the same trick as earlier: I accessed www.yahoo.com, logged on to my mail account, then switched back to the Yahoo home page. When presented with cookies, I selected the choice to accept all cookies from this server, and - when I was finally returned to the 'home' page, this time it was my customized SBC/Yahoo DSL page. I bookmarked THAT address, logged off, exited - then restarted Opera.

This time - upon selecting the new bookmark - I was taken to the proper customized page, as soon as I entered my userid and password.

So - all in all - the exercise was a success!

Tusen Takk!!

rmd from Frisco, TX

**UPDATE**

I just tried the former access with my laptop + unmodified Opera 8.50. I got the block page, signed on to www.yahoo.com instead, accessed Mail with USERID and Password, then selected Yahoo! from top left corner. Brought my customized SBC/Yahoo DSL page with all settings correct. Saved this page to my Personal Bar, after which I was able to directly login with no problems - - - - - and no patches. rmd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14488236 Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:35:55 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14483002 jmn1207 : The ua.ini file will only work with version 8 and above.

I would highly recommend that you download and install the newest version of Opera. You no longer have to pay for Opera anymore, as Opera is now ad free for everyone.

The biggest reason I would suggest that you update to the newest version is primarily for compatibility issues, such as the type that you seem to be having with Comcast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14483002 Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:46:44 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14482850 jimkyle : This may or may not have anything to do with the current thread, but I found myself unable to contact www.comcast.net using Opera 8, until I disabled javascript. Then it would connect okay, but would require javascript in order to log into their web mail system. I've not yet installed 8.5 but I did put in the ua.ini patch to identify as true MSIE when connecting to comcast; they're obviously doing something else to disable Opera users. FWIW, FireFox works just fine! That's what my son used to check his Email when he was here last week...

I'm still using version 7.23 (paid) as my standard browser and haven't seen much need to upgrade...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14482850 Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:16:25 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14482393 techjunkie13 : Running Opera 8.5 on RedHat Fedora Core 4 and the Java script from the initial post worked.

So far yahoo site looks and works like normal. This is great! I use my Yahoo site every day and really felt let down when I could not use Opera. It seems to be much faster than FireFox and for some reason my FireFox in linux has a problem with the Flash animation on the yahoo site. I was having to run Wine and Internet Explorer to read part of the site.

This is really appreciated.

TechJunkie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14482393 Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:40:49 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14481230 yyzUnderdog : Righto. Thanks for all the help everyone. I look forward to Opera working with this Rogers/Yahoo portal.
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said by yyzUnderdog See Profile :

Well, I tried out the various other name suggestions (*.rogers.yahoo.com, *.yahoo.com) and I couldn't get it working
Try using an indexOf instead:

if(location.indexOf('.rogers.yahoo.com') >-1) {
    delete window.opera;
}

However, I will add this too in browser.js so if you wait a week or so you can use Opera with Rogers/Yahoo without having to do anything. :) Some people already stated in this thread that SBC works for them - it is because the fix is active in the current browser.js .

said by David See Profile :

Should have just gave me a holler... I would have found someone.. I did send this on just as an FYI.
Many thanks! :) If you or Yahoo fix it nothing is better, then we can remove the browser.js patch and stop breaking people's User JavaScripts... :D

Edit: I intended to remove "express" from "express.rogers.yahoo.com", so I've just done that..
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14481205 Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:27:08 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479579 anon : I did what you said and it worked fine!

Actually, I tried just typing in dsl.sbc.yahoo.com and got in that way but I thought I'd try the updates you suggested.

Thanks for the info!!!

Jim]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479579 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:34:44 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479122 yyzUnderdog : Well, I tried out the various other name suggestions (*.rogers.yahoo.com, *.yahoo.com) and I couldn't get it working.

When I get the browser scolding page in Opera, I pressed the back button and the address bar said my.yahoo.com (but the page was blank.
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Actually, after the login, it goes to

»my.yahoo.com and when I viewed the source it had this:

if (oBw.ns||oBw.op||(!oBw.fb&&oBw.ns6&&oBw.agt.match(/6\.[01]/))) {
d.location.href = "http://rogers.yahoo.com/browser_upgrade.html";
}

and oBW comes from this code:

var oBw=new yg_Browser();

function yg_Browser(){var nav=navigator;this.agt=nav.userAgent.toLowerCase();this.major = parseInt(nav.appVersion);this.ns=(d.layers);this.dom=(d.getElementById)?1:0;this.ns4up=(this.ns && this.major >=4);this.ns6=(this.agt.indexOf("Netscape6")!=-1);this.op=(window.opera? 1:0);if(d.all)this.ie=1;else this.ie=0;this.ie4up=(this.ie && this.major >= 4);this.ie5=(d.all&&this.dom);this.gk=(typeof(nav.product)!="undefine"&&nav.product)?1:0;this.fb=(this.agt.indexOf("firebird")!=-1);this.fx=(this.agt.indexOf("firefox")!=-1);this.sf=(this.agt.indexOf("safari")!=-1);this.win=((this.agt.indexOf("win")!=-1) || (this.agt.indexOf("16bit")!=-1));this.mac=(this.agt.indexOf("mac")!=-1);}
var oBw=new yg_Browser();
function yg_getObj(id){var i,x;d=document;if(!(x=d[id])&&d.all)x=d.all[id];
for (i=0;!x&&id.forms.length;i++) x=d.forms[i][id];
if(!x && document.getElementById) x=document.getElementById(id);
return x;
}

which then pops up this...

»rogers.yahoo.com/browser_upgrade.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14479122 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:17:58 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476838 David :
said by hallvord See Profile :

I work for Opera Software. We know that SBC's customer portal blocks Opera (for no reason we know of) and over the years I have personally tried to contact SBC and Yahoo several times about this issue.

Should have just gave me a holler... I would have found someone.. I did send this on just as an FYI.

:D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14476838 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:36:53 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475510 WiZZLa :
said by hallvord See Profile :

In that case, you could try 

if(location.hostname=='express.rogers.yahoo.com'){
 
    delete window.opera;
 
}

If that does not work, try to disable automatic redirection in your network preferences and disable JavaScript before submitting the login form. This should definitely show the actual address you are passed through where the browser sniffing occurs. (You had better turn these settings on again afterwards because it can be very annoying to try to surf without them..)
That seems to work on Rogers.
edit: It may be better to use '*.rogers.yahoo.com' instead, as different packages use different login urls (replace * with your package, extreme.rogers.yahoo.com, lite.rogers.yahoo.com, etc.)

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475510 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:42:56 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14475099 W8ASA : My version of Opera works just fine with the SBC/Yahoo DSL home page, and all the links work, too.
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said by yyzUnderdog See Profile :

When I am logged in (via IE or Firefox)
this -> »express.rogers.yahoo.com/
is in the address bar.
I don't know if that helps.
In that case, you could try 

if(location.hostname=='express.rogers.yahoo.com'){
 
    delete window.opera;
 
}

If that does not work, try to disable automatic redirection in your network preferences and disable JavaScript before submitting the login form. This should definitely show the actual address you are passed through where the browser sniffing occurs. (You had better turn these settings on again afterwards because it can be very annoying to try to surf without them..)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14474551 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:01:04 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14474532 hallvord :
said by jp10558 See Profile :

If you implement this in browserjs, how would someone disable it and use the alternative?
You could simply delete the file browser.js from your Opera profile folder. This will permanently disable browser.js. Of course you will not get the other compatibility fixes either, but you could move browser.js to your User JavaScripts folder and remove the bits you do not want. The only thing you loose then is the automatic updates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14474532 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:57:14 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14474025 yyzUnderdog : When I am logged in (via IE or Firefox)

this -> »express.rogers.yahoo.com/

is in the address bar.

I don't know if that helps. Otherwise I will try and get the page just before it redirects when I go home tonight.

Thanks for your help!
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Opera would dispay the main »sbc.yahoo.com log in page, but after entering your ID (email address), password and try to log in is when you would get the page like yyzUnderdog saying you need Internet Explorer 5 or higher or Netscape Navigator 6.2 or higher.
(Though would work with Mozilla and Firefox :uhh: )

Hence, I doubt that without trying to log in with a vaild Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet ID and password you'll be able to duplicate his problem.

Google search for Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet found:
Sign In - Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet
»www.shoprogers.com/store/cable/I···D9JD2AV8]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14472909 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:43:57 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14472567 jmn1207 : Would it be possible for you to provide the link that is selected just prior to being redirected to Yahoo's browser version lecture? The link you provided is one that goes to the page displayed after the browser check is performed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14472567 Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:51:03 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14471564 yyzUnderdog : Nope... I couldn't get it to work unfortunately. I tried all sorts of different sites for Rogers Yahoo but all I keep getting is this page (not sure if the link here will work)

»na.edit.client.yahoo.com/rogers/···_upgrade

which says:

Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet

Browser Upgrade Required
To access the Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet home you need to use Internet Explorer 5 or higher or Netscape Navigator 6.2 or higher.

To upgrade Internet Explorer, follow this link.

To upgrade Netscape Navigator, follow this link

Any help or ideas would be grand. Thanks.
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-Tim]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14467966 Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:13:14 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14467601 jp10558 : If you implement this in browserjs, how would someone disable it and use the alternative?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14467601 Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:19:01 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14466699 hallvord :
said by l8r See Profile :

If you plan on installing the presented User JS file in this post, you may notice that the UA.INI file mod seems to be an unnecessary step.
Thanks for confirming that. I thought that might be the case but I wasn't sure.

said by l8r See Profile :

Likewise, if you have other User JS files installed on your system, check Opera's JavaScript console after logging into dsl.sbc.yahoo.com. If you see any references to undefined object, it's because the script presented in this post is destructive. Meaning: it deletes the window.opera object that other User JS files may rely on. FYI, most User JS files simply expect the window.opera object to exist, and don't check for its existence prior to accessing it.
This is correct, but this IMO is still the safest and most future-proof way to get around SBC's blocker. While your fix does not cause problems for other User JavaScripts such as this one does, it may not be as future-compatible against updates and changes in SBC's script. I will use my fix in browser.js because I can not check on a regular basis whether your fix still solves the problem without breaking anything.

It is of course an annoying price to pay that user scripts relying on window.opera will not work on the SBC Yahoo site.

said by l8r See Profile :

For an alternate, non-destructive technique to access dsl.sbc.yahoo.com with Opera, please visit: »my.opera.com/Lee_Harvey/blog/show.dml/29043
Nice to have alternatives. :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14466699 Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:31:07 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14453092 l8r : All,

If you plan on installing the presented User JS file in this post, you may notice that the UA.INI file mod seems to be an unnecessary step.

Likewise, if you have other User JS files installed on your system, check Opera's JavaScript console after logging into dsl.sbc.yahoo.com. If you see any references to undefined object, it's because the script presented in this post is destructive. Meaning: it deletes the window.opera object that other User JS files may rely on. FYI, most User JS files simply expect the window.opera object to exist, and don't check for its existence prior to accessing it.

For an alternate, non-destructive technique to access dsl.sbc.yahoo.com with Opera, please visit: »my.opera.com/Lee_Harvey/blog/show.dml/29043

Enjoy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14453092 Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:08:49 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14447329 Rob A : Great post! I've been trying to help people with this for awhile with no avail. The ua.ini never worked either in the past, great job on the fix!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14447329 Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:50:22 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14445747 JTM1051 : Hallvord,

Thanks for posting -- works fine for me.

I only use the site to access my SBC Yahoo! DSL account and email settings, and SBC Yahoo! DSL help.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14445747 Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:58:33 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14445384 scarney : tried it and it works, ty. now can you make launchcast work in Opera? hmmm??? 8)
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:D

It is IMO really something SBC should be ashamed of, that they block Opera so that we need to create specific fixes that detect and evade their particular blocking. :mad:

I thoroughly enjoy beating these dreadful sites with browser.js though :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14445372 Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:04:13 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14445121 Snavely : I tried it and it worked for me. Maybe this should be stickied. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14445121 Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:19:54 EDT Re: [Need] Seeking SBC / Opera testers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14444919 DFWDraco76 : I made the changes suggested and everything seems to be working fine, although I had not tried accessing the site before I made the changes so I'm not sure exactly what to be looking for. (I still use Firefox 98% of the time.)
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Now I would like to use Opera's new site compatibility features such as UA.ini and browser.js to ensure that all Opera users get access to the SBC site. I need at least one SBC customer to test for me whether the patches I propose will work.

The patches are:

UA.ini entry

dsl.sbc.yahoo.com=5

User JavaScript

if(location.hostname=='dsl.sbc.yahoo.com'){
    delete window.opera;
}

I assume that this will give access to the site. If you are an SBC customer and willing to try this and give me feedback, I would very much appreciate it. Please post in this thread.

How to set up patches

UA.ini
1) Locate UA.ini in your profile folder (check Opera's "Help / About" screen if you do not know where your profile folder is)
2) Edit it in Notepad to add the entry given above on a new line at the end of the file
3) Re-start Opera

User JavaScript
1) In Windows create a new folder for your user JavaScripts
2) Put the script above in a file named sbcyahoo.js in this folder
3) In Opera, go to "Preferences > Advanced > Content > JavaScript options" and select that folder as the location for "My javascripts".

That's all, ready to test :-)
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