Re: Well do you blame them in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13964901 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:04:06 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:04:06 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13985596 marketex : No, Dave, some of us "roll our own" subroutines which is why the concept of incorporation of each of the pilfered devices as claims within a patented and pirated program is tantamount to a particular writer one day deciding to patent all the vowels in the alphabet.

It is rather ironic that the least innovative producer of computer software does the most to limit creativity on the parts of other creators of software while protesting to the Attorney General that any fetters on its market position would impede market innovation.

But, then, Bill is a friend of yours, right? Schoolyard kind of buddy? Like "MS is Piracy" suggests?

Bill will eventually get your lunch-money. Check with his former employees for a reference on that point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13985596 Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:57:03 EDT ! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13985502 marketex : !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13985502 Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:25:08 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13981954 anon : dave, you do have to admit, MS had brass balls to: 1) pretty much outright "steal" Stacker's runtime disk-compression products' features (*), 2) integrated it into MS-DOS, including a new API that would allow pre-loading the driver, and 3) turn around and sue Stacker, for "theft of trade secrets", for developing an updated version of their product to work with that new API.

(*) Not just features - MS's actual compression implementation infringed on Stacker's LZS (Lempel-Ziv Stacker) patent, IIRC.

There is pretty much nothing new under the sun coming from MS. Every single thing that they "innovated", that I am aware of, was "stolen" from someone else.

MS, the playground bully, got rich by stealing the lunch money from the naive children of rich parent, not by earning the money themselves - to make an analogy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13981954 Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:07:50 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13971565 dave :
said by marketex See Profile:

Bill Gates is, perhaps, a genius at playing poker, requiring huge skills at bluffing. He did not think up the idea of emoticons any more than he thought up Drivespace or the browser or Disk Operating System (the original DOS) or the GUI or Java, each of which he attempted to appropriate as his own. Can you spell T-H-I-E-F?
Come to think of it, he didn't think up the idea of 'computer program' (probably John Von Neumann), or 'subroutine linkage' (David Wheeler), or 'operating system' (the Atlas team, under Tom Kilburn).

What a thief!

And that goes for anyone else who writes software, too!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13971565 Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:57:49 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13971256 noogoo : who needs e-TP when you can have e-Bidet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13971256 Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:36:11 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13969563 bth_lonewolf :
said by MS is piracy:

BurstNet.
Opera Software.
Novell.

Need I go on?
Novell: The Netware issue had nothing to do w/ IP theft (unless you're discussing something else).
Opera: Nope, not over IP theft. (Was about MSN not working correctly in Opera, and Opera claims it was intentional to maintain market dominance.)
Burstnet -- you mean Burst.com? (Streaming?) -- yeah, this one has some merit, certainly at least seems suspicious.

I'm not saying that IP Theft has never happened (in ANY company -- there's plenty of suits involving IBM and other large companies). I just can't stand generalizations -- 2/3 examples you posted had nothing to do with IP theft -- and you exactly proved my point. You make it sound like it's a corporate objective for employees to go out and steal. Unfortunately, a single employee doing something wrong can get the company into a LOT of hot water. For all the small companies doing it, most of it will go undetected.

I also won't say antitrust cases have never happened, but frankly I find many cases BS. Whatever you think about Microsoft, how many hundreds of half-baked lawsuits are filed against Microsoft so companies could get a pile of cash? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13969563 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:25:12 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13969276 marketex : Bill Gates is, perhaps, a genius at playing poker, requiring huge skills at bluffing. He did not think up the idea of emoticons any more than he thought up Drivespace or the browser or Disk Operating System (the original DOS) or the GUI or Java, each of which he attempted to appropriate as his own. Can you spell T-H-I-E-F?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13969276 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:43:19 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13969052 anon : Hmm.

BurstNet.
Opera Software.
Novell.

Need I go on? Those were just off of the top of my head, but I'm sure that I can dig up quite a few more with a little help from Google.

The parent post spoke the truth. MS is the biggest corporate intellectual-property pirate there is. The ARE a 1000lb Gorilla. (They've grown since they used to be an 800lb Gorilla.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13969052 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:07:01 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968778 guitarzan : Will it accept dual sided quick ram.? Maybe it'll prove itself to be a splash in the can. :D
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Honk if you've never seen an uzi fired from a car window]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968778 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:20:25 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967843 David : I preferr the multi-pass till it is clean... Like a clean bottom.. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967843 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:36:15 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967616 bit_junkie : dont forget about the I-Toilet
this guy and apple might have something to say about the E-toilet, before MS gets a patent on the idea lol:D

»www.electric-chicken.co.uk/itoilet.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967616 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:02:54 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967176 hayabusa3303 : what about the "Virtaul Crap" thats makes the mess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967176 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:47:47 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13966822 bth_lonewolf : That's an absurd generalization, and just frankly not true.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13966822 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:48:51 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13966815 anon : mark, the only reason you are not pleased is because you didn't think of it yourself, give yourself a break, if you were a genious like bill gates then you would have thought of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13966815 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:47:27 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13965725 jimbo2150 : I preffer the triple pass. May be slower, but gets the job done better.
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said by MikegotOOL See Profile:

Next they'll try to patent e-toilet paper.
One-Pass Wiping]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964909 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:20:25 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964901 DprssdIsntFn : Actually ... yes.

Stealing IP and then paying for it under court order is standard procedure for Microsoft. I've long since lost track of the number of cases they've lost and then settled.

They are the worst offenders.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964901 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:19:37 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964897 click_310 :
said by MikegotOOL See Profile:

Next they'll try to patent e-toilet paper.
They'll have to patent the,"Virtual Ass" first.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964897 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:18:31 EDT Re: Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964862 MikegotOOL : Next they'll try to patent e-toilet paper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964862 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:11:55 EDT Well do you blame them http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964841 jaorgeron : Look how everyone else is trying to do the something with other silly patents. Microsoft is just trying to save themselves money]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13964841 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:05:33 EDT