fried processor? in Computer Hardware Help http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13854885 en Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:13:20 EDT Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:13:20 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13980136 TheGiant : Heat sink on correctly? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13980136 Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:01:09 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13979987 entertheslot : I just wanted to give you guys an update on the problem. It is much weirder now. It will beep sometimes but not all the time. It will occasionally let me enter the bios and sometime will not even display anything and i did replace the battery and it is continuing with these problems. I would like to thank everyone for there continued help. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13979987 Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:45:01 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13975193 Kiwi :
said by 3SGTE See Profile:

Or, and this might sound a bit silly, the single beep is a pass of the post test, and the windows install is hosed.

To tell the truth, I am a bit confused about where thinga actually stand at the moment.
Right with you on that, simply because there is no response to the questions that relate to the problem proposed. If entertheslot is not comfortable with how to manage the hardware issues, then rather than digressing It might be better to understand his limitations and then we could walk him through this. So, rather than avoiding the requests he could step through one item at a time.

No BIOS entry will be resolved with a CMOS battery, which he intends to try (That small round silver disk), but it may also be a BIOS upgrade issue. I'm still convinced there is more than one issue, as again, already noted.

entertheslot Can take the easy way out and have the mobo replaced, but that still won't guarantee the problem solved, It's better to try working through it first, unless the warranty is close to expiring.

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To tell the truth, I am a bit confused about where thinga actually stand at the moment.
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there are several things it could be but lets stick to basics first remove one memory stick if still the same put it back and remove the other if that does not work put both back and try again to get to the bios by pressing delete over and over as you turn it on dont wait just keep tapping it
or F2 or insert depending on what key you need to press to get to bios
I was thinking it could be a hard drive broken but it would wait till it verified dmi data before that happened

A remote chance you will see anything but look at the motherboard closely and see if you can see any burn marks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13969180 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:26:31 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13965673 entertheslot : thanks allot for everyone's continued help. i have tried single sticks of memory in different banks. I think my mobo may still be under warranty. At this point i would rather send it back then spend any more money. i may try a new battery though because that is fairly cheap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13965673 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:37:54 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13962853 Kiwi : It may be the mobo. Though I'll stick with the original comment a single beep code is bad memory, It does not have to fail completely in order to cause problems and a partial failure of a chip will at times allow a boot, but will fail at any point, it could also be a bad mobo battery, particularly if you are having problems getting into the BIOS and may well be the reason your keyboard won't be seen -Rule out the DDR & CMOS battery. The CMOS battery is the cheapest quick fix, pull it out go to a local PC store & pay the $16.00.

A mobo will not necessarily indicate a problem, depending on the issue; though you do have a beep code for bad DDR.
The keyboard issue may relate directly to a dead CMOS battery.

As noted you may have more than one issue & It's highly likely, if you replace the CMOS battery and It still won't boot up, then try another DDR chip that is compatible with mobo, at worst a 128meg cheapo stick to test would be less expensive that dealing with the mobo. First you have to access to the BIOS and then move on from there. The IDE drive may also be a factor, but only after you get successful entry into the BIOS.

Did you ever remove one of the DDR chips or swap them out to test each in one bank? This has been a consistent question?

Cheers
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13962853 Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:35:49 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13962523 entertheslot : these are my specs again including power supply.
"I have tried multiple keyboards that is what the mobo company said to do then they ran out of ideas. I have a abit ic7 max3 mobo a pentium 4 3ghz processor 1 gb dual channel ddr 3200. x connect 400 watt power supply, a geforce fx 5900 256 mb memory, a sound blaster audigy sound card, a maxtor 80 gb eide hard drive and 2 cd rom drives. It has one short beep when it boots up as it should the it hangs. I kind of think it is the motherboard now because a properly working motherboard displays the problem usually if it can display anything such as memory error or keyboard error or something like that. "]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13962523 Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:52:19 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13959835 kalphearion : What kind of PSU are you using?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13959835 Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:56:30 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13957957 entertheslot : i rebuilt the computer entirely and only plugged in what was necessary. when i turned it on it said press delete to enter bios i di and it actually worked. i pressed f10 to save and exit and it begins to reboot. the screen never came on and the video card fan stopped spinning. I unplugged it for a minute and tried again the screen did not come on. i cleared the cmos and the screen did not come on. i left it alone overnight and tried it in the morning and the exact same thing happened it turned on the first time then when i save and exit the bios it wont work again. the thing i find strange is that the video card stops spinning.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13957957 Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:05:32 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13922549 Kiwi : dritus - Now at this point offers a very good and concrete solution, to trouble shooting your issue. If you don't feel entirely comfortable removing everything, out of the case, try taking all components out first, that don't affect function -CD ROMS, slave drives. Leave the video card in, CPU and one DDR stick & the Master drive, then check they are really seated correctly. I would also remove the CPU and clean any Arctic off and reseat and take your time.

DDR won't fry your mobo, you could fry a DDR chip though. After the above, then try to enter & you check the BIOS settings related to your DDR and heat spreaders on DDR are sometimes removed by users anyway. If you got into CMOS, then you are in the BIOS.

Going for broke ;) It could simply be a bad hard drive or a bad cable from the mobo to your hard drive.



~ Still curious though, is any of the keyboards lighting up, when you turn the system on? That needs an answer, not yet given ;) If they did not -Then, that alone will require a new mobo. DDR code beeps mean nothing if the system won't see a keyboard to begin with :)



If you have tried other compatible DDR for your system -Heck, what brand of DDR are you using? That falls back to the "One short beep, DRAM refresh failure (Problem with memory)" question -irrelevant if the keyboard won't light up though.

Still trying to help.

Cheers
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Did you make sure to hook up the additional Power Supply 4 prong clip that connects nearest the CPU?
That would be ATX 12+ if i'm not mistaken.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13917546 Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:09:33 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13915947 driftus : Sometimes what helps here is to take a step back.

First, since you're almost at this point anyways, go ahead and take everything off the motherboard. Cards, memory, drive cables, processor, the whole shebang. Why? This is rule-out time. Plus, dinking around inside with the processor and retention clip, you could've either left something loose or half-seated, or broken something.

Up to you, but I'd take the mobo out of the case, find some nice static-free environment (if you saved the bag the mobo came in, great) to set it on, and get a bright light or bright flashlight and examine the mobo carefully for signs of damage, loose component, broken socket, etcetera.

Don't be in a big hurry, and start by reinstalling the basics - processor, memory, video, hard drive. Make sure everything is well seated. I mention this, because I spent 2 days once trying to figure out what I'd done wrong, then realized I had not seated one stick of memory all the way after I had remounted the HSF in a hurry.

Important point - just make sure you didn't inadvertantly create another issue trying to fix the first one. Removing and reseating components has helped me in the past, even when I was CERTAIN everything was inserted/seated correctly.
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I have heard of this happening when the cpu is not getting enough juice.

Also make sure if you are using an aftermarket Heatsink Fan that it is clear of any and ALL capasitors around the cpu socket. A lot of times the mobo's are only tested against OEM HS/F's and the aftermarkets HS/F makers only test their product on the most popular mobo's out there. On occassion, it has been know to happen, the heatsink touches a cap causing a short or even breaks one lose from its seat to make room.

Just my $0.02.
Good Luck,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13911888 Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:55:56 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13911774 Kiwi : ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13911774 Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:19:56 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13911766 Subaru : just wanted to protect myself is someone said it was not true.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13911766 Sun, 17 Jul 2005 02:18:20 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13911764 Kiwi :
said by Subaru See Profile:

on most Mobo's if you take out the Cpu the system does not turn on period.
On all mobo's if the CPU is removed -It won't "turn on".
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said by entertheslot See Profile:

my computer has always had one short beep as does my new computer when i turn it on. in the manual it says it should have one short beep. if i were to take out the cpu and turn it on couldn't that ruin the board.
I'm relaying the what the post code means, It's not a CPU issue, rather whatever DDR you have, as posted above, try taking one of the DDR chips out, if the same happens again, then try the other, make sure you place the single chip , as your test in the right bank. On a side note you didn't mention OC, are you overclocking? you might need to change the timings and as a safe point, use default settings.

Any beep code, is a bad sign! :)

Cheers
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said by entertheslot See Profile:

It has one short beep when it boots up as it should the it hangs.
One short beep, DRAM refresh failure (Problem with memory)

The single short beep has pinned your problem, hope that helps. It's one of your memory sticks.

Cheers
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If you take out the processor does the computer beep like crazy when you turn it on?
How about if you do the same thing to the RAM?

This is way out there but do you have any bad caps on the motherboard?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13903703 Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:48:50 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13903478 entertheslot : ye i have reset the cmos thans though]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13903478 Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:18:30 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13902846 3SGTE : Have you tried clearing the CMOS (resetting bios to defaults)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13902846 Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:53:49 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13900769 entertheslot : I have tried multiple keyboards that is what the mobo company said to do then they ran out of ideas. I have a abit ic7 max3 mobo a pentium 4 3ghz processor 1 gb dual channel ddr 3200. x connect 400 watt power supply, a geforce fx 5900 256 mb memory, a sound blaster audigy sound card, a maxtor 80 gb eide hard drive and 2 cd rom drives. It has one short beep when it boots up as it should the it hangs. I kind of think it is the motherboard now because a properly working motherboard displays the problem usually if it can display anything such as memory error or keyboard error or something like that. thank you for any help you can give me]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13900769 Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:34:38 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13895413 Kiwi :
said by entertheslot See Profile:

My processor overheated to 90 degrees Celsius. i waited a while and turned it on again when it overheated almost instantly. It was overheating because the cpu heatsink retention divide had broken and become dislodged from the motherboard. I replaced it after about three days. Now when i turn it on it gets stuck on the P4 logo screen and does nothing. I talked to the company and they say it is not reading my keyboard but i do not think that is the problem. i think the processor may be fried but wanted a second opinion before i dish out 200 dolars. I would appretiate any insight you could provide.
First, if a PC gets 'Stuck' @ all -@ a logo screen, it's definitely not the CPU...Sorry, just got back from vacation ;) It really sounds like a short [Was the Rig grounded] Did you try another keyboard, if you have and it won't 'see' the keyboard (Does the keyboard light up when you turn the system on; if it does -Then it's not the keyboard) then it sounds like A/A ~shorted & the mobo.

Just in case do you have more than one memory chip in the system, if so what happens when you take one out?

Some system specs might help?

Cheers
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a shorted chip will draw massive amounts of current heating it up very hot quickly while a normal one wont heat up so quick.
the problem is some power supplies dont have a well built type of short protection built in it allowing more than necessary current to flow to the cpu if the cpu is shorted, there is a regulator on the mobo that will be the first to open up from not being able to handle the current draw, rendering the mobo useless.
this is why testing a suspected bad cpu on another mobo will sometimes damage that mobo.
this is especially true with older AMD cpu's
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is it clean ?
does the fan operate well ?
if the heatsink was seperated from the chip, you may need to clean the contacts of the heatsink and chip and regrease them with fresh thermal grease, there may as well be air pockets and dust contamination between the heatsink and processor if it seperated, especially if its never been seperated for a few years, the grease may have solidified thus not providing proper heat transfer.
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id say its overheating and clocking the speed really low to protect itself from damage, so low infect that it malfunctions.
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is it a 425pin or an 478pin?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13861148 Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:28:49 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857336 entertheslot : its a pentium 4 430 pin processor. i do not think it is seated wrong because it will only fit in one way thanks though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857336 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:09:56 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857170 kw :
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What model P4 is this? It is rare the P4's fry but they can....
Oh snap...I forgot about the "feature" on them. Maybe you seated the HSF thing wrong on it. It could be downclocking the shit out of it, making it appear frozen. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857170 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:52:02 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857006 CylonRed : What model P4 is this? It is rare the P4's fry but they can....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13857006 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:26:48 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13856989 kw : Sounds to me like you cooked it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13856989 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:24:34 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13856487 entertheslot : i cannot enter the bios it freezes at that screen and it will only respond to the off switch. I cannot try it on another computer. i opened it up and took out the processor to look to see if i could see any physical damage and the heat spreader fell off. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13856487 Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:48:25 EDT Re: fried processor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13855806 MrClean132 : Is there someone elses computer that you can try this processor in
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