[Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures in VOIP Tech Chat

[Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures in VOIP Tech Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13749363 en Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:05:22 EDT Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:05:22 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13996070 gnexus :

said by Nate425

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Having DSL and disconnecting the phone company from your house won't work too well...

ROTF LOL! :D

That was just TOO FUNNY!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13996070 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:49:35 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13989996 xbbdc : thx for answering. no i do not have dsl. and i was just curious as to what that 2nd gizmo is seeing as how it has a connection for a phone jack as well but its not plugged in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13989996 Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:01:38 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13989319 LoftyDan : I believe the answer you want is "yes," as long as you don't have DSL. Not sure about your second question though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13989319 Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:42:32 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13983071 xbbdc : i dont mean to be stupid but i guess i am. i am wanting to get packet8 service. so therefore all i have to do is remove this jack, and plug the phone adapter into any walljack and the whole house will be wired correct?

but then what is this for down below it? is this useless?

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13983071 Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:37:00 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968809 DracoFelis :

said by WhyADuck

said by Nate425

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This thread has said not to do whole house voip setup? I have it, tons of other people have it...I don't know why anyone would say not to. Unless they're in a case like yours and they have DSL. Having DSL and disconnecting the phone company from your house won't work too well...

Agreed. There is no reason why you can't do "whole house wiring" even if/when you have DSL. You just have to pay a little closer attention to how you wire things up.

Now that does mean you have to have a clue as to which phone wires are doing which function (so you don't accidentally cross-connect telco lines with VoIP, or disconnect a line you need for your DSL service), but it is certainly possible to wire up your whole house with VoIP even if/when you have DSL.

FWIW: Here is my "whole house" setup, supporting DSL, POTS, and VoIP:

My DSL/POTS line comes into my basement from the telco box outside. From there, I split my POTS service from my DSL service. The DSL goes via a single "home run" wire to my DSL modem, and the "filtered" portion of my telco service is wired in as "Line 1" of my house wiring. As for VoIP, I have "Line 2" disconnected from the telco, and I just plug my ATA into a handy "Line 2" portion of any phone jack. This arrangement gives me service like this:

1) DSL is only available on the phone jack that the DSL modem is plugged into (the one I ran the new "home run" to).

2) "Filtered" (without DSL signal) POTS is available as "Line 1" in the house wiring. Since the DSL is already filtered out, before the POTS signal goes into the house wiring, no phone device in the house needs its own DSL filter.

3) VoIP is available as "Line 2" in the house. This works as the house "Line 2" is disconnected from the telco, so simply plugging my ATA into "Line 2" energises the whole house for VoIP.

4) Since (filtered) POTS is available on "Line 1", and VoIP is on "Line 2" of the house wiring, any 2-line phone in the house can easily use either "phone line" (i.e. both POTS and VoIP are available via any house 2-line phone). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968809 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:23:55 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968697 Nate425 :

said by WhyADuck

said by Nate425

Very true...however that doesn't seem to be for the average user. But he may be willing to give it a go. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968697 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:06:52 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968220 WhyADuck :

said by Nate425

It will if you appropriate a separate line pair in the inside wiring and use that for the run from your network interface device to your DSL modem - you would then disconnect the primary pair at the interface and connect the secondary pair (the one that you have run to the cable modem) in its place. Probably not something you want to do if you don't have at least a little understanding of phone wiring, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968220 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:39:37 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968040 Nate425 : This thread has said not to do whole house voip setup? I have it, tons of other people have it...I don't know why anyone would say not to. Unless they're in a case like yours and they have DSL. Having DSL and disconnecting the phone company from your house won't work too well...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13968040 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:05:07 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967542 phillipsclan : what is this topic about
WHOLE HOUSE VoIP setup

both ViaTalk and this thread state not to do it, but i was wondering if anyone has found a way to do it yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967542 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:52:05 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967424 adam9280 :

said by phillipsclan

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OK i have SBC DSL and wonder if anyone else has SBC DSL that has done this and if it works great

Done what?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967424 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:32:46 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967393 phillipsclan : OK i have SBC DSL and wonder if anyone else has SBC DSL that has done this and if it works great]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13967393 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:27:32 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13965569 TemporalFlux : There are 3 more :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13965569 Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:21:03 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13961520 gnexus : Got enough computers?

I though I had alot, but I only had three. Now I only have two, so I need another for Asterisk and extra server.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13961520 Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:40:38 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13923806 TemporalFlux : My little home system. The D-Link VoIP box on the right hooks into the BIX and the BIX hooks into the black patch panels that go through the house...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13923806 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:46:58 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13923476 masteryoda30 : Thanks Phoenix and gnexus. My roommate and I put it in. I got the Ortronics for $40 used off ebay, and we salvaged the 2x4's from a garbage pile from my old apartment. We did the punch down ourselves. The piece of wood for the switch racking is ghetto but it was from the back of my house so it was free. So the total cost was just the patch panel. Its not the newest Cat-5e but it supports gigabit and the back interfaces punched down fine.

Patch-panel's are fairly cheap and easy. I'd never do anything else. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13923476 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:02:58 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13920481 gnexus : You sure got me beat! Much prettier than my box :uhh:

That would be a great setup for Asterisk and IP phones.

I had something similar at our old business using ISDN. ISDN is nice too, very clear audio and good upload. Way too expensive, however. DSL and Cable weren't available at that location, so we used bundled ISDN for voice, fax, and data. Great latency, poor bandwidth. . . The cost was high, but it was a couple hundred dollars/mo. cheaper than the POTS lines we had at first, plus we had dedicated Internet for free! It was a good deal at the time. I kinda wish I kept the patch panel. . .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13920481 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:49:44 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13919969 Phoenix2088 : Now that is a great setup, if you put that in kudos to you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13919969 Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:16:36 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13915702 masteryoda30 : This is a picture of my patch panel, the primary interface area of my VoIP setup.

You can see my Sipura 2000, which runs my kitchen and roommate's room. The phone there is run by a Linksys PAP-NA, which is off camera with the asterisk box.

You can barely see it but on the second line of ports on the patch panel, the first 4 ports are set up port duplicators. You can follow one of the Sipura lines to it, the recycled-Apple computer one.

The little white box is the direct line from the dsl filter which is in SBC's telephone interface box. VoIP and DSL gave me a reason to disconnect the house's 100 year old phone system and have a brand new, perfectly filtered and direct CAT5 line to the DSL for maximum signal quality.

Patch-panels are the only way to go.

Whole House Setup

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13915702 Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:44:28 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13912617 gnexus :

said by lowballer

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Splitpair and Gnexus: Thanks a lot for your help -- I'm happy to report success. Saved some money and some pride:).

Glad to hear it!

Even happier if my posts assisted you in any way! :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13912617 Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:02:39 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13908715 lowballer : Splitpair and Gnexus: Thanks a lot for your help -- I'm happy to report success. Saved some money and some pride:).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13908715 Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:37:46 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13895569 gnexus :

said by Splitpair

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I wouldn't do that! Why? Two reasons if you clip the wire it may not reach back to the binding post it was under and if it is the incorrect wire you have thusly screwed thy self. Always un-screw the binding post and then carefully remove the wires.

Splitpair is absolutely right on this one. My mistake. . .
I was taking the typing shorthand route by saying to cut it.

I messed up once in my lovely demarc posted previously. I cut the wires (had to...) above the quick-connects on an ISDN line the SBC guy installed. The brittle wire broke and it ended up being too short to connect the new CAT5. That created HUGE problems since SBC had to come out and reassign a new pair, which then proved faulty! Took 2 weeks to correct the problem.

Unless you are certain on what you are doing, don't cut wires at the demarc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13895569 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:22:56 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13891755 vndiktv : Here is my rig using Packet 8. Been using it for almost a year. No probs here and reasonably priced also. The Hand Units also have unbelievable power. I can talk several hundred feet from the base clear as a bell. ;)
V

Here is a linky..
»www.4infinitech.com/scripts/prod···uct=2195

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13891755 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:48:08 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13891579 lowballer : Thanks for all of the tips and the detailed explanation. I'll go to Radio Shack and get a tone generator and get to work. I'll report progress, or lack thereof soon. Thanks for the offer of additional help. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13891579 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:26:18 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13888945 WhyADuck : lowballer, did you go to the page at »michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html and read the first parts thoroughly? By the time you make it about a third of the way down the page you should be able to figure out what you need to do.

The short answer is that if your home was wired normally you should be able to do this. First, locate all the blue and white pairs in each of the multi-pair cables. Make sure you have the pairs, that is, the solid blue wire that is twisted together with a white wire (that may have a blue stripe). If there is more than one solid white wire in the same cable, use only the white wire that's twisted with the blue wire.

Also, on the older style "quad" cables, look for the red and green wires - those two colors form a pair.

Note I am referring to your inside wiring here. For obvious reasons, do NOT use the wires in the cables coming from the phone company's "drop" (the overhead or underground cable coming from the street). Also, do not use any wires that were not connected to anything when you first opened the box (that may have been a dead line that was cut off inside the wall).

Okay, now take your tone generator and one at a time, plug it into each phone jack inside your home. As you do this for each jack, go back out and find which pair the tone is on. When you find the pair, mark it in some way as a "live" pair (use a small piece of tape or something). Again, this is so you don't inadvertently connect a pair that's no longer in use. After you do this you should have found all the "live" pairs that are currently connected to phone jacks in your home.

Following the instructions on the Michigan Telephone page about using communications connectors, and using only the "live" pairs, connect all the solid BLUE wires together along with any RED wires from the old quad wiring. That's half of the pair. Then connect all the WHITE (or WHITE with BLUE STRIPE) wires together, along with any GREEN wires from the old quad wiring. That's the other half of the pair.

If you did it right, all your jacks should be connected to each other and you can plug your adapter into any of the jacks, and your phone(s) into any of the other jacks. If you run into anything unusual, post it here and we'll try to help you figure it out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13888945 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:29:22 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13888183 lowballer : Thanks for the feedback gnexus and Splitpair. I just want to clarify for my particular situation.

1. I buy a Tone gen set and plug it into a jack in my house
2. I take the probe out and connect it to (?) which set of wires (the blue pair??)?
3. Once I find the correct pair of wires that goes to my set of inside jacks, what do I do then? Do I hook them back up to the posts or just simply cut them and leave them hanging? I have already taken all of the pairs of wires (orange pair and blue pair) off of the terminal posts inside my box. There are no colored wires attached to posts in my box currently . . . only two beige colored single strand copper wires in the center of the box (grounds??).

I'd appreciate any help or guidance on this problem. The wife is killing me over not having our old phone locations active AND I'd like not to have to admit defeat to her and hire an electrician to fix the problem:).

Thanks again in advance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13888183 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:58:09 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13887979 Splitpair :

said by gnexus

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Plug the tone gen into a jack in the house. Go outside to the box and use the probe to find the line. Then just clip it.

I wouldn't do that! Why? Two reasons if you clip the wire it may not reach back to the binding post it was under and if it is the incorrect wire you have thusly screwed thy self. Always un-screw the binding post and then carefully remove the wires.

Now how could you cut the incorrect wire with a buzzer on it? Easy once you light one jack all the other jacks connected to that line will have tone running on them as well and unless you wired the place who knows where or to what they are connected.

Then there is a neat affect you can get with cheapo IW called induction and it can fool the best.

Wayne
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If you can't fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13887979 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:29:10 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13887603 gnexus :

said by Splitpair

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EBN Entrance Bridge to the Network it is the device in the NID that includes a jack for the network side and a plug for the subscriber side. It produces a testable demarcation for the end user.

Wayne

Thanks Wayne!

Familiar with that, just didn't know that abbrev.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13887603 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:10:36 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13887571 gnexus :

said by lowballer

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Sorry,here is the picture the correct side up.

It is nice to see a simple little jack for a change :D

Read my post here about the RJ11/ alligator clip test setup. Use it to diagnose the problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13887571 Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:04:32 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13883381 lowballer : Sorry,here is the picture the correct side up.

My Netword Box

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13883381 Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:44:06 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13883347 lowballer : Above is a picture of my Network Interface Box.

I recently ported my SBC number to Sunrocket and would like to plug my Gizmo into my home wiring to enable all of the jacks in my home. When I go to my Network Box on the outside of my home, it appears to be an old type of box (no plug connectors). THere are screw terminals. I disconnected the wire pairs that were connected to the top screw terminals (blue and blue stripe). There was also an orange and orange strip pair (a second line that was not being used by the previous owner). I thought that by disconnecting the blue pair, which runs into my home, would enable me to "close the circuit" and use the VOIP throughout the home. However, I still get nothing when plugging in the Gizmo. I also disconnected all of the SBC lines that were running to the box, though I'm not sure that was necessary.

Has anyone encountered a similar situation? This looks different than the setups offered in this thread.

Thanks for the help in advance. This forum has been invaluable.

My Netword Box

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13883347 Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:40:28 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13882393 schnauze :

said by nathana

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Out of curiosity, schnauze, how'd you manage to get on the beta for this? I'd love to have the opportunity to help test these kinds of things...did Packet8 just select a random group of customers, or what?

-- Nathan

You can send an email to packet8beta@8x8.com and request to be included in the beta testing group. You do have to do homework and actually test the stuff they send you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13882393 Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:58:41 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13826178 adam9280 :

said by Splitpair

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What I do not understand is why did you unplug the jack from the EBN when there is no inside wiring tied to that jack?

Wayne

It is connected, it just doesn't show up very well. I wasn't too happy with their workmanship when I opened up the box. Quite a few wires. The pic vaguely shows where the wires are coming in. Trust me, I know they are hooked up since I originally had SBC.

Wires

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13826178 Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:48:18 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13805320 Splitpair : »AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ »INI?

Wayne]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13805320 Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:07:06 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13805309 Splitpair : EBN Entrance Bridge to the Network it is the device in the NID that includes a jack for the network side and a plug for the subscriber side. It produces a testable demarcation for the end user.

Wayne

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If you can't fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13805309 Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:05:44 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13798234 roamer1 :

said by gatzdon

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For older condo's, there may not be any "Grey Network Interface Devices". You may have an old bell cabinet (as pictured in the mess a few posts above me)

Eww. :(

In newer condos and apartments, the demarc/NID is almost always (in the case of higher-density buildings) a large wallplate inside the unit or (in the case of lower-density buildings like duplexes or townhomes/row houses) a normal "house" NID outside.

-SC
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"it seems like all you ever buy is Abercrombie and cell phones" --a friend]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13798234 Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:11:09 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13795399 schnauze : Order your Uniden whole house VoIP phone system here:

»www.packet8.net/about/uniden.asp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13795399 Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:31:22 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13792592 gnexus :

said by Splitpair

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What I do not understand is why did you unplug the jack from the EBN when there is no inside wiring tied to that jack?

What is EBN stand for?

Never heard that abbrev.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13792592 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:54:08 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13792369 Splitpair : What I do not understand is why did you unplug the jack from the EBN when there is no inside wiring tied to that jack?

Wayne
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If you can't fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13792369 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:23:01 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13791536 gnexus :

said by PCInTech

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I was talking with Support at VoicePulse yesterday afternoon, and they will ALSO be offering this rig in the coming months. They're currently testing it with their system, and will soon be able to support the retail version as BYOD. I also see in Uniden's press release, that they are also working out a partnership with a couple of other VoIP providers. If the quality is anywhere as good as my current TRU5860-2 setup, I'd jump on this in a heartbeat!

Nice!:D

I might have considered it in the future, but I want to use WiFi PDA as a cordless and TV remote.

I know a lot of people that would be interested, though. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13791536 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:19:21 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13789895 PCInTech :

said by schnauze

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These phones will be available this Friday from Packet8. I am on the beta program and the performance is excellent. A 1 port router is included in the base station, and you can add up to 10 additional cordless handsets/chargers anywhere in your house.

I was talking with Support at VoicePulse yesterday afternoon, and they will ALSO be offering this rig in the coming months. They're currently testing it with their system, and will soon be able to support the retail version as BYOD. I also see in Uniden's press release, that they are also working out a partnership with a couple of other VoIP providers. If the quality is anywhere as good as my current TRU5860-2 setup, I'd jump on this in a heartbeat!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13789895 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:04:21 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788730 RiftReaper : is that a packet8 Plug i hear ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788730 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:27:53 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788677 gatzdon : Ìf you live in a condo, you are entitled to access to the utilities that service your unit. You just may have to schedule a time so someone from the board can be present when you do it. It's usually spelled out in the bylaws. For older condo's, there may not be any "Grey Network Interface Devices". You may have an old bell cabinet (as pictured in the mess a few posts above me)
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$100 placed at 7 percent interest compounded quarterly for 200 years will increase to more than $100,000,000 -- by which time it will be worth nothing. - Lazarus Long]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788677 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:17:01 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788245 ptrowski : Do what I did...wait until a hurricane comes, befriend the president of the condo association, and get a free set of key for everything from phone cabinets, fire alarms, and the dock full of boats, etc! :)
For condo's, they usually have some people living their on the committee etc, or whatever yours may call it. Befriending a few, if not done already, can surely get you in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13788245 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 07:22:17 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13787533 gnexus :

said by Carioca_FL

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Anyway, great info here! Say, you mentioned you live in a condo, well me too, but I can't seem to find these boxes anywhere around our building.
:(

I'm in a townhouse so it was easy since the box is right on the back wall. In condos many times they are locked in a common closet somewhere and you can't get to it. In that case you have to have the ILEC tech come out to disconnect the line.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13787533 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 02:08:58 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13787412 Carioca_FL :

said by chaud

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They will think you can't take a joke. :p

That's what I thought too.
/shrugs

Anyway, great info here! Say, you mentioned you live in a condo, well me too, but I can't seem to find these boxes anywhere around our building.
:(
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AXP 2500+; 1.5GB DDR PC3200; Abit NF7-S v2; Radeon 9800 XT; DLink 614+ 802.11b; Comcast 3000Kbps/256Kbps; Sunrockt VOIP; XP Pro SP2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13787412 Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:35:06 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13784004 gatzdon :

said by WhyADuck

said by lstevens

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I have the exact same box. Your post makes me wonder if the "don't plug in the router without physically disconnecting POTS or it will fry" statement is an assumption or really true. I would love to just plug in my Gizmo to an open jack.....

Let's put it this way, suppose you are driving on a road and you come to a spot littered with old nails, broken glass, and other small and sharp debris. And maybe you say something like, "The place I bought these tires from said they are really good tires, I'd like to test them and see if they can go through this junk."

Exact same principle. You might actually get away with it once in a while, but that's not the way to bet, and you could be setting yourself up for unexpected failure further down the road.

To take your analogy to the next level. Let's suppose you drive through the debris because you bought the road hazard protection. Sure they will fix your tires, but they will never be the same. Especially if the debris damages the sidewall of the tire.
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said by lstevens

quote:
I have the exact same box. Your post makes me wonder if the "don't plug in the router without physically disconnecting POTS or it will fry" statement is an assumption or really true. I would love to just plug in my Gizmo to an open jack.....

That's to protect you and Vonage from ending up with a dead box. I could care less since (in my personal opinion and contrary to the TOS) Vonage owns the box.

If the line is dead it shouldn't be a problem. OTOH, if for some reason your ILEC tech screws up and runs voltage through the line it's possible the ATA would get fried. OTOH, most ATAs have protection against spikes so it's possible no damage would occur. OTOH, I would NEVER recommend somebody do it unless they just don't care about their box or phone service. In addition to the threat of frying the box, I have quite a bit of static coming from the POTS lines. Whatever is on the outside of the demarc is going to come in if it's not disconnected. I'm moving soon. I don't want to cut the line just so I'll have to hook it up again when I rent out the house. I have another phone, so I could care less about the ATA.

Just disconnect the line at the demarc if your concerned. If your demarc is a mess like mine go to somewhere like Frys and buy a tone gen set. They're cheap, like 10 bucks or so. Plug the tone gen into a jack in the house. Go outside to the box and use the probe to find the line. Then just clip it.

If you don't want to buy a tone gen do the following:

Plug your ATA into a wall jack in the house. Then get a POTS phone and two spare RJ 11 lines. Connect two alligator clips to each line on the red and green wires. Connect the four alligator clips together with the other for both red and blue, matching the colors. Plug one RJ11 plug of the setup you made into a different wall jack. Plug the other into the POTS phone. Get somebody to call you on your number. Have them play loud music constantly, something you know you will recognize. You should hear music on the POTS phone you plugged into the wall. All that was to test your test setup. Once that works take the phone with one RJ11 line with alligator clips. Disconnect it from the other set of clips on the other RJ11 line and go outside to the demarc. Connect the alligator clips to the terminals for the line going into the house. If you hear music you can just cut that line. Then you're all set. You can keep the RJ11 line setup to use with other phone line troubleshooting you may possibly need to do in the future.

Either way it's a bit of work but really simple. Tone gen is easier if you have a big mess or there are no terminals in the box. Sometimes they just use quick connects.

Good Luck!

Edit: added section about test setup]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13783686 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:13:44 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13782331 BillRoland :

said by adam9280

:

I would just like to see a post without the jokes. Just information. Your post was the first reply. What will people think when they see your joke after my serious post?

They will think you need to lighten up.
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said by adam9280

said by chaud

:

If someone didn't already know this, and they paid someone...

I'll do it for half the qoute you get. :p

A bit late here, but it was a joke. Someone needs to see the smiles eh?
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said by gnexus

:

Good thread. I think I've seen something similar, but this is a better post.

But what do you do with this:
[att=1]

I had to figure it out with a tone gen.
The SBC techs always screw it up. . . I wish it had a lock!
Glad I don't need it anymore!:D

To set up whole house I just plugged the Vonage router into a phone wall jack. Nothing more. Didn't disconnect at the demarc. Works fine except for a bit more static. Not a recommended setup, but I figure if it fries the Vonage router/ATA so much the better.

I have the exact same box. Your post makes me wonder if the "don't plug in the router without physically disconnecting POTS or it will fry" statement is an assumption or really true. I would love to just plug in my Gizmo to an open jack.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13780200 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:15:30 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13779417 nathana : Out of curiosity, schnauze, how'd you manage to get on the beta for this? I'd love to have the opportunity to help test these kinds of things...did Packet8 just select a random group of customers, or what?

-- Nathan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13779417 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:25:15 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13778912 devil24 : Hahaha... what a mess!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13778912 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:34:15 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13778786 gnexus : Good thread. I think I've seen something similar, but this is a better post.

But what do you do with this:
[att=1]

I had to figure it out with a tone gen.
The SBC techs always screw it up. . . I wish it had a lock!
Glad I don't need it anymore!:D

To set up whole house I just plugged the Vonage router into a phone wall jack. Nothing more. Didn't disconnect at the demarc. Works fine except for a bit more static. Not a recommended setup, but I figure if it fries the Vonage router/ATA so much the better.

Demarc

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13778786 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:02:52 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13774825 schnauze : Yes, they are 5.8GHz.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13774825 Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:51:23 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13769374 adam9280 : I assume they are on the 5.8ghz freq? That looks like a great setup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13769374 Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:13:04 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13767015 schnauze : Yes, the base station (master unit) includes a 1-port terminal adapter, so you get 1 RJ11 port to connect other telephony devices (answering machine, FAX machine) if you so wish.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13767015 Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:08:02 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13765034 devil24 : This Uniden looks pretty cool.

So, the master unit will work as an ATA + phone device, right?

Is it Sip compatible???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13765034 Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:04:46 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13764486 schnauze : Here is a simpler whole house hookup.

These phones will be available this Friday from Packet8. I am on the beta program and the performance is excellent. A 1 port router is included in the base station, and you can add up to 10 additional cordless handsets/chargers anywhere in your house. HINT: buy the additional handsets off of the Uniden web page where they sell new ones for $60/each, but refurbished ones for $40/each. The refurbished are as good as new, in my experience.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13764486 Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:49:33 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13760511 gatzdon : I didn't see it mentioned above (may have missed it) but it is best to actually disconnect the wires, not just disconnect the RJ-11 jack.

Tip: For those with DSL, I found an extra "Test Port" or whatever they called those RJ-11 jacks in the NID. I used it as a convenient way to put a line filter in for the voice phones in my house (which currently is just a soft fax on my computer). Also, Since I was lucky enough to wire my whole house with Cat5E, I just used a third pair for the VOIP phones and cut it so short in the NID that it couldn't be reasonably connected to a live phone line.
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said by AlphaOne

said by adam9280

:

4. Go inside and plug the phone plug from the VoIP router or box into any phone jack.

For 99.9% of people, reversed polarity won't make on bit of difference - modern phone equipment simply is not polarity sensitive. Even in the old days of the PSTN (prior to electronic switching), many phone companies would reverse the line polarity to indicate a "supervised" state (that is, when charging for the call should commence) so they could connect a "postpay" type pay phone to any line, and when the called party answered it would interrupt the outgoing audio path (so they couldn't hear you) until you deposited the money. For many obvious and not-so-obvious reasons, this was far from the ideal way to handle coin phones, so you didn't find these kinds of phones used much in the Bell System, but General Telephone and other independents used them a lot.

Even the Bell System would reverse the polarity under certain conditions, though - for example, if you dialed "0" for the Operator, the polarity would reverse in some exchanges. Point is, all phones going way back to the earliest models pretty much had to be polarity insensitive. There are only two exceptions I'm aware of: Certain types of payphones, and phones with older type touch tone pads (the ones with real transistors and tuning coils on them, not later integrated circuit models). Even the older touch tone pads could be retrofitted to be polarity insensitive, but if they weren't, you could not dial touch tones when the polarity was reversed. The latter caused LOTS of problems in the early days of long distance competition, because people would get on a pay phone or older touch tone phone and attempt to call a long distance company's toll-free access number (using a 950-xxxx number or a 1-800 number), but when the call completed to the alternative company's dial tone, suddenly the touch tone pad in the phone was non-functional, so they couldn't complete their call. For a time Radio Shack and other companies sold battery-operated handheld touch tone dialers (designed to be held up to the phone's mouthpiece) to get around that problem.

But if you are not using an older touch tone phone or a pay phone with your VoIP adapter, it's highly unlikely that you will experience any problem with the reversed polarity. If you really hate seeing the "wrong" color LED on a line tester then by all means feel free to reverse the two line wires, but for most of us it simply isn't worth the effort to "fix" the polarity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13760346 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:55:28 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13759792 adam9280 : What kind of lock are we talking about? Pad lock?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13759792 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:39:42 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13759256 devil24 : I didn't have to do that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13759256 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:27:29 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13759208 anon : my phonebox is locked from outside. How would you open it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13759208 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:22:11 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13758696 AlphaOne :

said by adam9280

:

4. Go inside and plug the phone plug from the VoIP router or box into any phone jack.

Aren't you suppose to change the polarity?
When I wired our house for VOIP, I did exactly what you did in #4. But when I checked the phone jack all over the house, my tester was giving me red (meaning, the polarity was reversed).
I then reversed the polarity by switching the two wires from the adapter, plugged it to the wall, and voila! Checked the wall jacks and my tester is now green.

I guess this won't matter much, as telephone equipment tolerates a reversed tip/ring. But it will be nice to have it wired "properly".
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Edit: Just look at RMO... he's contributing in a good way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13758372 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:27:52 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13757891 schipperke : Go here »michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html

This guy gives a good primer, shows various NIDs too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13757891 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:23:48 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13756406 rjotero : Hi, Guys

I live in single house and my SBC Box is similar the one is shown by adam416. I have two connectors the first connector is the one that is attached the landline phone with 2 pairs of cables. The second connector have no cable attached only the gray cable that is plug in to the connector. I believe this is an additional one in case we request an additional land line.

My question is If can connect my VoIP to the second connector unplugging the gray cable? Also, which pair of cable I need to screw to the connector. SBC left around six cable not connected to the box. Also I would need a double wall jack in the house to connect the line line and VoIP?

Thank you for any of your expertise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13756406 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:19:13 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13756398 themack : It is a great picture and I'm sure many people are grateful for the photo..
Many people don't know the first thing about how the telephone wires get into the house, etc... yet they want to use VOIP( and that's a good thing, for all of us.)
I know I love to see a picture when I'm about to start unplugging wires.
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said by adam9280

said by chaud

:

If someone didn't already know this, and they paid someone...

I'll do it for half the qoute you get. :p

I think you missed the point, I believe it was a joke. :uhh:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13756230 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:54:30 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13755972 horsecharles :

said by rmo9

:

It should be noted that if you have two phone lines wired to each jack, you need to use a phone cable with only two wires connected, so you don't blow up your adapter.

¿ please elaborate ? sorry for being so dense... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13755972 Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:24:18 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13753680 adam9280 :

said by chaud

:

If someone didn't already know this, and they paid someone...

I'll do it for half the qoute you get. :p

Hey bonehead... I just showed them how to do it. Why would they need you?!? Seriously... Don't forget about the "Upon reflection, I do not wish to post" option.

Now that I just taught you how to do something... I'll do it for half of what the other guy is charging. (Sounds like a genius idea to me).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13753680 Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:48:16 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13750098 rmo9 : It should be noted that if you have two phone lines wired to each jack, you need to use a phone cable with only two wires connected, so you don't blow up your adapter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13750098 Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:41:37 EDT Re: [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13750087 chaud : If someone didn't already know this, and they paid someone...

I'll do it for half the qoute you get. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13750087 Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:40:01 EDT [Equipment] Whole House VoIP Setup Pictures http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13749363 adam9280 : Edit: This will only work for cable HSI. DSL will require a few more steps

I noticed many people are asking how to do a whole house setup. Well, instead of paying someone to do it... do it yourself. Sorry if this has already been done. I just haven't seen it anywhere.

Steps
1. Go outside to phone box and open it. (See picture 1).
2. Unplug phone plug. See picture 2. (I live in a condo so there are multiple jacks).
3. Put a sign or tape on the plug stating (Do not plug in... damage will occur). Something to that effect. You don't want some "good samaritan" messing up your VoIP equipement.
4. Go inside and plug the phone plug from the VoIP router or box into any phone jack.
5. You're done.

Box
Connectors

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