Right. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r13599006 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:16:03 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:16:03 EDT Re: Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13650403 ashworth : I think it is a population issue and not a redlining or racial profiling issue. This is because when a CO is scheduled for fiber, the whole loop is overlaid with the fiber. The rebuild is scheduled in the areas with the greatest concentration of DSL customers.....Only makes sense?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13650403 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:33:02 EDT Re: Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600955 cdru :
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said by cdru See Profile:

Several neighborhoods already done in my city are bigger (in popluation and number of houses then what Yale or Almont.
And you know this for a fact? Doubtful.
According to Census data, yeah.
Almont: 1058 houses, 2803 people
Yale: 805 houses, 2063 people

The one specific neighborhood I pass on a daily basis is nearly a mile by 3/4 of a mile in area and has 945 lots according to my town's GIS server. While I can't give you an exact census count, if you presume between 2-3 per house, it puts you in the same general ball park as what both towns are. This is just one neighborhood in my city. There are active deployments in over a dozen neighborhoods within throwing distance of my own, plus at least 4 other large areas around my area that have concentrations of active installations underway, basically in the 4 corners of my city.
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They are going to hit the larger communities first.
No, they are targeting the affluent areas first, then hit the larger communities, then if they feel like it or get around to it the other communities.My city's median income is $40k and median home value around $80k, slightly below the national averages so we're not exactly "rich and affluent" in these parts. A neighboring town, affectionately known as the armpit of the area, is also underway. Many, but by no means all, of those houses are lower income blue collar homes. They aren't people living in mid-6 figure homes. They are people living in $50k and $60k homes.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600955 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:12:48 EDT Re: Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600754 anon :
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I'm sure in 20 years those spots will get the service, but you can be sure that all the affluent areas will get it first and Verizon will drag their feet as long as they can to get those other spots wired up.

Here's a neat question - if normal monopoly telcos are bound to support "universal service" (meaning, voice over POTS) - is that obligation bound to the physical copper plant, legally-speaking? Or the service offered (voice telephony)? When Verizon rolls out FIOS, if they physically remove the copper to that location at the same time.. shouldn't that imply, at least in spirit, they they should still have an obligation for "universal service", at least minimally, in terms of voice service over that fiber, to those locations? I read that Verizon promised the continual availability of "affordable voice services" over that fiber, for whomever moves in to that location, but... Verizon has made lots of public promises to the press before, that mostly turned out to be nothing but hot air. ("Naked DSL IS available", anyone?) Couldn't this effectively legally require them to build-out nearly everywhere that they provide service to?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600754 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:50:28 EDT Re: Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600650 imrf :
They are going to hit the larger communities first.
No, they are targeting the affluent areas first, then hit the larger communities, then if they feel like it or get around to it the other communities.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600650 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:34:16 EDT Re: Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600610 cdru : Verizon isn't going to rush out and do communities that have a few hundred households serving a few thousand people. Several neighborhoods already done in my city are bigger (in popluation and number of houses then what Yale or Almont. They are going to hit the larger communities first.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13600610 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:28:57 EDT Re: Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599865 imrf : Almont is fairly dense, but again, I'll believe when I see it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599865 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:07:54 EDT Re: Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599221 anon : There is a difference between providing services to non affluent areas and providing them to people in BFE...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599221 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:46:46 EDT Right. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599006 imrf :
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Verizon chief Ivan Seidenberg today insisted his company would not be "redlining" (offering next-gen services to only the affluent), and that such charges were simply political tools of the cable industry


Once I see them running fiber in the boonies, such as Yale and Avoca, MI, or even Almont, MI, then I'll believe him. I'm sure in 20 years those spots will get the service, but you can be sure that all the affluent areas will get it first and Verizon will drag their feet as long as they can to get those other spots wired up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13599006 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:26:02 EDT