said by wispman :

where?

said by wispman :

where?

said by operad :

Okay, thats weird that you mentioned something more just an AP sniffer. I was just looking on ebay today for a spectrum analyzer. Couldnt make it up to the site today, but leaving in the mid morning just to take some photo's and do a Physical site survey. Once my spectrum analyzer arrives then its off to do a RF site survey. I will post pictures every step of the way,

said by Seaboogers :

I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not....

said by robbin :

It turns out, indeed, that many television stations use licensed 2.4GHz for Electronic News Gathering (ENG), giving them priority over unlicensed 2.4GHz Wi-Fi. (Democratic National Convention, 2004).

It looks like there are at least two LICENSED groups of 2.4 GHz frequencies who have precedence over unlicensed users!

said by John Galt :

These bands ARE regulated by the FCC...just try running overpowered and see what happens.

They are unlicensed bands...not unregulated.

said by Seaboogers :

2.4 GHz, 5.3 GHz and 5.8 GHz are not regulated by the FCC...hence the term unlicensed.

said by superdog :

I don't know much, but I do know that if cmaenginsb says they are using 2.4Ghz for TV trucks and helicopters and they cause problems for us?, Then they do.:)

said by Seaboogers :

Hmmm....I find this interesting....especially since I have personally never heard/seen a "licensed" 2.4 GHz setup....are you sure about that? 2.4 GHz, 5.3 GHz and 5.8 GHz are not regulated by the FCC...hence the term unlicensed.

said by cmaenginsb :

One thing to note, although it probably isn't a problem in Oregon is the steerable antennas that support the dishes in TV trucks and TV helicopters. Those do operate in the 2.4 band at higher power levels than we can and because they are licensed they can request you shutdown or change your transmitter if they suspect you're interfering.

said by John Galt :

The problem with long links is the timing issues. Maybe someone can comment on what type of gear allows for the adjustment of the timing...

said by John Galt :

I'll keep looking...

said by operad :

The mountains to the West that I circled in Yellow are between 6,000 to 8,000 ft. Very thick timber(Still about 2 feet of snow up there) in those area's and I'm not ready to deploy something of that nature. The black dot is where I have access to a house on the hill.

said by John Galt :

This is a good plan. You will already have spent $25,000 or so to get this far. The CPE costs are a killer. There is a lot of "up-front" money involved in that gear. The AP is the easy part...

Do one thing at a time, do it well, move on.

;)

said by cmaenginsb :

I didn't say not to do it, you're better off simply waiting 4 months or so. In the mean time you're gaining experience that is key for deploying a larger network correctly the first time. So in 4 months you've got say 200 customers on your main network that will pay for the equipment in the other towns.

I've just seen a lot of people new to the business bite off more than they can chew and it ends up they provide bad service and even those customers in areas with nothing avoid them.

said by cmaenginsb :

At the same time though I believed a lot in organic growth.

said by froggy58 :

I've seen path profile shots in the past and one thing I noticed different then what you showed was curvature of the earth.

Maybe the distance isn't great enough and it was an ignored parameter.

said by VariableARK :

what do you use to get your profile shots?

said by cmaenginsb :

Your panel size is going to be determined by the amount of electrical power needed to run the site and how many sunny days you plan on seeing in a given time period.

For example, since clouds are more the norm in Oregon you're going to want more panels than I would use here in LA.

As to my suggestion on only starting with one city you don't have to focus on things like backhaul sites etc. Instead you could be up and running with your first site, making a few bucks and then grow into something bigger.

said by snowpro2000 :

Do you use radio mobile for that graph? If so, do you use strm or dted for the elevation data?

said by operad :

Awesome Pictures! How many watts should the Solar Panel be for optimum performance?

How about a 30' tower? Or is that overkill. I have one I bought for $20.00.

said by operad :

Alright, but how do I find who owns the land?

said by operad :

what program are you using? Try coordinates: 44 46' 01.01" N 117 52' 48.39" W Elevation 4500.

said by operad :

From my house to St. Elizebeth Towers to the Hill should work.

said by operad :

I also spoted two towers on the smaller hills on the highest point to the West. Going to try and find who owns these. This would be the best Idea, because I could then use this as my PtP link to the other two cities.

said by operad :

The actual City is Baker City, but it comes up as Medical Springs in Keyhole, so thats why I used Medical Springs.

Riverdale Hill already has a Tower and Power on it that I'm going to rent. The hill is perfect.

said by operad :

The Hub Site is installed at the Medical Springs Location and needs to supply the other two cities with internet.

said by cmaenginsb :

You realize the FHSS systems won't do more than 1.8 Mbps or so right?

said by cmaenginsb :

Personally I would not use FHSS as it is a little bit restrictive in terms of bandwidth as well as the fact that they aren't developing any new FHSS systems so you're kinda coupling yourself with a stagnant technology.