Vonage Forums in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12966211 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:24:53 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:24:53 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12997247 anon : Telmex customers unhappy with the slowdown affecting their Vonage VoIP won't be happy switching to Satellite. I installed a DirecWay system in Dec 2004 and signed up for a Vonage-type service (iconnecthere.com) and it simply wouldn't work. It turned out that DirecWays UPLOAD speeds are horrible, at times as low as 19k, but never higher than dialup. I ended up subscribing to Crystal Voice, which is cheap, but outgoing only and the delay is annoying at best.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12997247 Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:45:19 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12989745 anon : Hello from Mexico,

I just read your post and have a few answers. Yes Mexico has its problems but depending on where you live there can be a lot of tranquility.I have been here about 3 years and I vacation in Europe, South America and the US sometimes.

Mexico probably has the best natural resources in North America and they are largely undeveloped. Why? Corrupt government. Imagine being able to try to be the police of the world as the US tries to do. Imagine a country with only one political party for over 70 years!!! A country of monopoly. Only gas is Pemex. Only phone is Telmex. The Catholic Church is one of the biggest deterents. Get the picture?

The absence of a large middle class. Uneducated Mexico cross the border because of the existence of jobs that lazy Americans do not want to do. Educated Mexicans such as doctors, lawyers, educators wouldn`t think of moving to the US. The US has something called Welfare and General Assistance in some states. It is better for many to collect welfare and food stamps than work for a living.

In Mexico, that does not exist. No work, no eat. That`s why very few illegal aliens get into trouble. They work to help out at home. No holdups, no women walking the streets.Just a low profile.

In Latin culture, the elderly are taken care of and respected. It's very rare your son would want to declare you mentally incompetent to get their inheritance early.
We all get old and frail. Your chances of getting mugged are a lot greater in the US.

Depending on where you reside, a person may want to retire and live the good life. San Miguel de Allende is one place of notoriety. Mexico is a good place to relax for a few years and live large if you plan it well.

The quality of life is on the way up. The quality of life in the US, well are you really better off?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12989745 Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:44:13 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12973377 anon : Ah, I know who you are, I sent you that website a few years back. Funny, I have not posted here for some time now, but this caught my eye, how could it not. When ToddlerTN made the comment that he did here: »www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic4133.html I privately shared with him the same I shared with you, but not in the same detail.

Although I am sure there are many valid reason for an American to want to reside in Mexico, I believe there exist many invalid reason such as this one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12973377 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:07:12 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12972708 footballdude :
said by crazediamond See Profile:

I dont know, but being wealthy probably can make most places nicer, just like being poor can make them worse.
Can't argue with that, but why is the question being considered so outrageous?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12972708 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:30:36 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12971133 anon : Funny you should say that. I am a member here but because of what I'm about to say I want to be anonymous for this post - if I wasn't someone might make the connection with the person I'm talking about and things could get ugly.

A couple of years ago I got into an argument with one of the other members in one of the forums, who just happened to live in Mexico. There were several indications that he was originally an American, and he was also quite confrontational. It was one of those situations where I couldn't understand where the guy was coming from in some of the things he was saying. Another thing was that he seemed to change his alias every so often.

Then another member sent me a PM to clue me in, with a link to the guy's personal web page. How shall I say this, the web page made one think he might be behaving like some of the Catholic priests that have made the wrong kind of news lately. What shocked me was that he could apparently be fairly open about it there. The web page did not actually come right out and say "I am a gay pedophile" but if you read between the lines just a little, that was definitely the impression you came away with, and it was certainly the impression of the guy who sent me the PM.

Hiding out is one possibility, but I suspect that some Americans go to Mexico because they can do things there that would get them imprisoned for a very long time if they did them in the U.S., not that such things are necessarily legal there, but the system is so corrupt that the officials can be bribed to look the other way.

Also there are probably Americans that move there to get affordable prescription medications or medical treatments that are banned in the United States. After the FDA shut down all the Hoxsey cancer clinics in the U.S., one was opened in Mexico and there are probably people who are alive today because of that clinic. I'm not suggesting that all Mexican clinics are better than their U.S. counterparts but if you have ever had a loved one die of cancer and then you read what happened to Hoxsey, you might get very angry at the FDA and the AMA. Again these are Americans who don't agree with certain U.S. laws and want an alternative, only in this case it's for good purposes rather than evil.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12971133 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:38:53 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12971063 bokamba : Well, it is probably cheaper to live in Mexico, but it's certainly not as clean and probably not as safe. And I'm sure that many Americans living in Mexico are hiding from justice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12971063 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:27:25 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970931 anon : Well, I just happen to be the one who posted that over at vonage-forum, and imagine my surprise to discover this thread!

I genuinely wanted to know why anyone from America would choose to retire in Mexico. I asked whether there were economic ("Is it a lot cheaper to live there?"), or cultural ("How are Americans treated there?") advantages to living in Mexico. I admitted that my impression of Mexico is that the country is dirty, corrupt and generally unsafe, as evidenced by the millions of illegal immigrants eagerly fleeing Mexico each year to come to our country. So I asked again, "What's the attraction for an American to want to live in Mexico?"

Now I didn't think any of that was "appalling," "amazing," or just "flat-out wrong." I thought it was inquisitive and honest.

Now here's the interesting part. I never got an answer. No one over there ever came up with a reason why Americans would move to Mexico, nor did anyone here. Well, I take that back...I did receive one Private Message over there from someone who said most Americans who leave the US for a life in Mexico do so as a means of hiding, and the sender also predicted I'd never get a public answer to my question for that very reason.

So there you go, and I'll stand behind all of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970931 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:05:48 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970373 ColdFiltered : You mean they are a municipal project on steroids? LOL :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970373 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:54:55 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970347 anon : TIME Magazine, Sept 20, 2004, pegged it at 15,000,000 illegal aliens, with approximately 3,000,000 illegal aliens crossing the U.S. Border per year. That number included the ones who are caught (the ones we Know about), and added in the estimated number of ones who aren't caught (the ones we don't know about, but we know we miss a lot).

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with asking why someone would want to retire to Mexico. There are a lot nicer places in the world, and 3,000,000 Mexicans per year can't be wrong!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970347 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:51:39 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970116 gcastell : Just to complement the information,a between 600,000 and amillion americans live in Mexico...

»www.freep.com/news/nw/mexico21e_20050321.htm

Now, people that do not understand Mexican reality are always eager to give an opinion, people that don't understand economics are the same... but the truth is a lot more complex and I don't think is topic for a broadband forum.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12970116 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:22:44 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12969645 pnh102 :
said by PA23 See Profile:

Not so easily done. HTTP traffic, yes its port 80, but TCP port 80 while the protocols used for VoIP are UDP.
What about using ports 53 like DNS. Doesn't DNS use UDP?
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said by jmkraft See Profile:

ksmith501,

You are correct, maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions". But by merely stating what his assumptions are should not be cause for alarm...
No.... At least 750,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are streaming in from Mexico per year, this is what we KNOW... Think about it, there is probably a MILLION/YEAR who come in illegally!

We need to put an end to this, that corrupt country is ruining America.

-Tzale
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5.9 million illegal aliens from Mexico currently in the US.

600K people come from Mexico to the US every year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12967771 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:54:28 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12967643 jmkraft :
said by altidude See Profile:

said by jmkraft See Profile:

...maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions"...
No, that number is not exaggerated at all. There are nearly 3 million illegal immigrants from Mexico as of 1996, 54 percent of all illegal immigrants.

»uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs···egal.htm
the "millions" was refered to as annually...
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said by footballdude See Profile:

How about we rephrase? If Mexico is nice enough that someone with wealth would want to retire there, why are people leaving in droves?
I dont know, but being wealthy probably can make most places nicer, just like being poor can make them worse.
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said by borat aight:

In my country there is problem, and that problem is the Jew....

Throw the Jew down the well! So my country can be free!
Apparently, it's the Jews causing these problems. :o
I have a good feeling someone's going to take that the wrong way.
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In my country there is problem, and that problem is the Jew....

Throw the Jew down the well! So my country can be free!
Apparently, it's the Jews causing these problems. :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12967280 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:58:37 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12967140 PA23 :
said by donaldk See Profile:

Vonage should let the VoIP run over port 80 for the connection set up, make it appear like HTTP traffic.
Not so easily done. HTTP traffic, yes its port 80, but TCP port 80 while the protocols used for VoIP are UDP. Although UDP uses port numbers as well, the protocol is very different and is easily distinguishable from http port 80 traffic.
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said by jmkraft See Profile:

...maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions"...
No, that number is not exaggerated at all. There are nearly 3 million illegal immigrants from Mexico as of 1996, 54 percent of all illegal immigrants.

»uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs···egal.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12967133 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:41:53 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966888 rtcpenguin :
said by bokamba See Profile:

Kazakhstan's government telecom monopoly is equally cumbersome and stifling of telecommunications improvement
I concur. Borat really needs to get on that issue.
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You are correct, maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions". But by merely stating what his assumptions are should not be cause for alarm...
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said by ksmith501:

so, the "I assumed Mexico was dirty and corrupt and generally unsafe, or else millions of Mexicans wouldn't be streaming across the desert every year to get here" part is excused because he is "genuinely interested"? sheesh what a world we live in.
How about we rephrase? If Mexico is nice enough that someone with wealth would want to retire there, why are people leaving in droves?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966554 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:33:34 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966499 anon : so, the "I assumed Mexico was dirty and corrupt and generally unsafe, or else millions of Mexicans wouldn't be streaming across the desert every year to get here" part is excused because he is "genuinely interested"? sheesh what a world we live in. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966499 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:28:36 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966374 krazz : just to let everyone know, the problem with telmex customers is that their outbound audio to the people they call or the people that call them is extremely choppy, no matter which port the RTP packets are being sent across. the rtp packets appear to be deprioritized by Telmex, not outright blocked. telmex customers (as of now, at least) are still able to make and recieve calls, the quality is just awful. it was fine up until a few weeks ago, at least according to customer statements.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966374 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:15:49 EDT Re: Vonage Forums http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966370 jmkraft : ksmith501,

IMHO it was a legitimate question from someone that is genuinely interested in why an American would want to live in Mexico...

On the original topic - I can see people flocking to the sat providers if these countries keep this up...
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quote:

not baiting you with this question, I'm genuinely interested to know...why would an American want to retire to Mexico? Is it a lot cheaper to live there? And how are Americans treated there? I assumed Mexico was dirty and corrupt and generally unsafe, or else millions of Mexicans wouldn't be streaming across the desert every year to get here. What's the attraction for an American to want to live in Mexico?"

end quote.

Perhaps I am thin skinned, but does anyone else think this is just flat out wrong? I am absolutely appalled and amazed that the Vonage forum admins let this post remain on the board.



]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966211 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:54:29 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966208 donaldk : Vonage should let the VoIP run over port 80 for the connection set up, make it appear like HTTP traffic. Silly that this happens, but the VoIP business is going to have to get a bit creative, (now if a law is passed then there is not much that can be done legally).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966208 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:54:07 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966121 anon : TelMex is owned by a corrupt Mexican Mafioso. Look him up on forbes as one of the richest people in the world.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966121 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:43:19 EDT Re: Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966104 moonpuppy : Problem is that this is a source of government income for many countries. These aren't simply the "phone company" but government agencies. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966104 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:40:28 EDT Silly backward countries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966080 bokamba : Kazakhstan's government telecom monopoly is equally cumbersome and stifling of telecommunications improvement. These backward governments need to get a clue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12966080 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:37:40 EDT