Re: That sucks in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12953235 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:24:00 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:24:00 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13043264 beki : A friend put me on to www.phonehomeservice.com, and I have been very happy with my VOIP service. They even state that there is no limit on outgoing calls. I have a small business so I use it a lot. This service has really saved me a lot of money over the past few months.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13043264 Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:47:53 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13042510 anon : Have you checked out www.phonehomeservice.com? I have my VOIP through this company which actually sells for Lightyear Alliance. There are no restrictions on outbound calls. I also have an 800 number with 500 minutes that only cost me $7.99 per month so my friends and family can call me for free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13042510 Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:13:43 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12971504 hottboiinnc : i had VarTec as local and long distance and they limited my LD usage to 2000 per month. But didnt provide me with this information until i hit the 3500 limit. thats when they finally sent me the TOS and other information.

i left and went with a different company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12971504 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:48:18 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12960137 anon : I personally use Vonage, which although more expensive than Packet 8 has no limit, and as I talk to people around the US and Canada, I prefer true unlimited no hidden cost long distance. Also, with the federal ruling that Vonage doesn't get to be nailed with the same state taxes as phone or other regional VOIP providers, I think that I will stay with them.

In the past they actually lowered my monthly service cost. When is the last time you heard of any POTS phone company actually reducing your bill while providing better service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12960137 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:37:20 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12956342 Denjin : Not true. With lingo I routinely make over 6,000 minutes of calls per month. Their billing page even counts down your minutes left from the number of minutes in a 30 day month.

said by UBdude See Profile:

seems like all voip is this way. when i signed up for att cv the agreement had if you use more then 5000 minutes monthly you would be investigated.

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said by yabos See Profile:

Strange. There's no limit on POTS is there?
I haven't heard of a POTS company limiting your unlimited local calls, but they all limit your unlimited long distance plans. I think Qwest is something like 3000 minutes, then your account is put under review.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12955949 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:28:55 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12955932 raderator : If they didn't have some kind of informal cap on residential users, business users would just sign up for the residential plan. Use your head.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12955932 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:26:03 EDT Re: 8500 minutes before P8 contacted them not 3K http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12955025 Rogue Wolf : Personally, I'm fine with that. I know that companies have to operate within a margin, and that abusing a certain plan can actually cause someone to be an expense to a company rather than a profit.

However, the primary objection here is to hidden, secret or otherwise non-up-front rules on just how much is "too much", and the penchant many companies seem to have in switching you to something more expensive the moment you cross a line you're more than likely unaware exists. VoIP companies, and many companies in general, would be much better off if they dumped the "unlimited" marketing claptrap and were transparent with the terms of their packages.
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said by yabos See Profile:

Strange. There's no limit on POTS is there?
Of course there is. Who do you think changed the definition of the word 'Unlimited'. :D
Check your TOS, and it also depends on the plan and the State that you are in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12954350 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:09:12 EDT Re: 8500 minutes before P8 contacted them not 3K http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12954289 voiplover : The subscriber used ~8500 minutes a month which cost P8 more than they are making on a $20/month plan. They didn't disconnect the subscriber they just tried to work out a solution. Many Voip providers would not have been so accommodating. I don't know of any voip providers offering DIDs and this many minutes a month for ~$20/month. If you do please post it, A.S.A.P. They need an affordable service.
Thank You ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12954289 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:59:41 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12954010 yabos : Strange. There's no limit on POTS is there?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12954010 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:14:46 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953514 Mordhem : ya :( makes wonder I am a packet8 consumer hope some time soon they straighten that up ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953514 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:05:13 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953500 anon : Optimum voice and Sunrocket are the only two that have stated policies that say the bottom line price is the bottom line price for unlimited calling, beyond that you take your chances.... (with ultra high use)

sunrocket at $199 a year ($16-25 depending on billing options), or optimum for $30-35 depending on package deals..

If the bottom line price matters.. this will probably change the growth patterns of the companies that surcharge/cancel customer accounts...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953500 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:03:12 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953492 Cesssnaa : Wow people are just now finding out about this. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Default Radio, but this was brought up on episode 2.5 November 28, 2003. You can listen to this episode of Default Radio 2.5 by clicking here. »files.pig-monkey.com/audio/defau···02.5.mp3 This radio show isn't currently a weekly show anymore but they talked alot bout telecom, preaking,and hacking related stuff. The main website is at »www.defaultradio.com Enjoy!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953492 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:02:54 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953443 Kearnstd : why do disconnection fees even exist, to me they allways seemed like a way to make money on people who probally leave due to crappy service.
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same should go for broadband ips's it wouldent hurt to know..
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said by Nerdtalker See Profile:

said by Phoenix__1 See Profile:

I hate it when companies hide small notes in like that.
As do I. That must really suck.

Looks like I won't be moving to VOIP anytime soon.
Don't let one VOIP's stupidty and lies prevent you from taking advantage of VOIP. It's a great service with great potential!
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said by Damon85 See Profile:

Bait-and-switch or deceptive marketing, whichever you want to call it...
Yup. And just because some other company is doing it too doesn't make it right. These folks need to be honest with their potential customers. They give a 30 day, 300 minute "trial" but once that's over you're locked in, and they won't let you out without a "disconnection fee" even after they pull the switch part of the bait and switch.

I see 'packet8sucks.com' is available. Maybe it's time to make an example of one of these.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12953046 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:49:35 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12952969 Nerdtalker :
said by Phoenix__1 See Profile:

I hate it when companies hide small notes in like that.
As do I. That must really suck.

Looks like I won't be moving to VOIP anytime soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12952969 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:39:51 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12952949 Damon85 : I don't think anyone's disagreeing with their right to investigate high usage for business-relations. It's the way they're handling legitimate high usage and classifying it as non-residential usage, when in fact, it is.

Bait-and-switch or deceptive marketing, whichever you want to call it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12952949 Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:37:52 EDT Re: That sucks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12952929 UBdude : seems like all voip is this way. when i signed up for att cv the agreement had if you use more then 5000 minutes monthly you would be investigated.
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