Re: Interesting in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12900762 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:06:26 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:06:26 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12902206 vavoiper : And when the original commercial sharing agreement ends, Verizon will jack up the price to the ISP's and lower their price in order to "convince" the ISP's customers to switch to Verizon in order to "get it all on one bill." It's the same story we've seen over & over.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12902206 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:01:36 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12902007 scooby : You are also forgetting that the FCC or state commissions were setting copper line share (une-p and une-l) pricing. With FIOS VZ will pick the price. Big difference there. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12902007 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:38:00 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900762 11337845 : That's exactly what I said. ;)

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OK, well not exactly. But it's what I was thinking when I wrote that. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900762 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:29:32 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900755 nixen :
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It makes you think what Verizon's motive is. Are they really trying to be nice guys?

Nah. It just makes economic sense. They've made a huge investment in FIOS and they want to reap the returns. The best way to do so is to have more lines in use. The more ISPs that offer the service, the more customers that will sign up and use their service in one way or another.

For Verizon, it's a win-win situation.
It's not just that, it's that, when they sell to an ISP, that ISPs going to pay for blocks of lines, whether or not they have the customers to pay for them. This allows Verizon to get back their investment quicker.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900755 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:27:47 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900748 11337845 : VZ complains about sharing copper because they have no investment to worry about. Those lines are already in use for POTS, so using them for DSL is quite less expensive than FIOS.

Again, it's all about the money for them. A business will always do what's in its best interests. It just happens that this time it benefits the consumer.

Watch out for them to stop sharing their FIOS lines when these contracts end and they've proven their service is viable to the consumer.
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So apparently the only difference is VZ doesn't like having a cap on the rates they can charge. That's understandable.
The real question then becomes what VZ will charge competing ISPs for access to their fiber? Assuming it's proportionally, significantly more, how will ISPs justify their higher costs?
They'll have to have very lean operating expenses or be able to throw premium service on top of the generic connection.

This model can work. SpeakEasy is a good example. They're not public so I don't know their financials, but they seem to be doing well servicing the 'higher end' market even though their prices are higher-end too.

I'd have had a little more respect for VZ and the rest of the ILECs if they had just said, upfront, that they don't like rates resulting from TA'96. Occasionally out would come 'the cap is too low', even though they never justified it with true costs. How come everyone has to play games and try to spin everything...."Technically impossible", "Unfair regulation", "Confusing for customers" - blah.

I'm glad VZ will offer access. I just hope they do it in a way that there can be pseudo-competition and not higher-priced versions of the same VZ service.
(and I say pseudo-competition because when the company owning the lines also provides service, the resellers are at the mercy of that company - that's not really competition).
KM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900737 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:23:36 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900734 Tzale :
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said by Tzale See Profile:

Who cares?

1. The news item was incredulous about Verizon doing something like this without their hand being forced.

2. Your points don't disagree with mine.

3. Uh?
I viewed your post as being sceptical about Verizon. Next time please quote my entire reply, not just the "Who cares?" It makes it look like I don't care about them sharing.. But in reality I am saying that I don't care what their INTENTIONS are but that they are doing GOOD for us.

-Tzale
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Hey OOL, throttle this! I'm going to FIOS... Verizon FIOS Forum ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900734 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:23:11 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900641 11337845 :
said by Tzale See Profile:

Who cares?

1. The news item was incredulous about Verizon doing something like this without their hand being forced.

2. Your points don't disagree with mine.

3. Uh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900641 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:08:29 EDT Re: Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900628 Tzale :
said by 11337845 See Profile:

It makes you think what Verizon's motive is. Are they really trying to be nice guys?

Nah. It just makes economic sense. They've made a huge investment in FIOS and they want to reap the returns. The best way to do so is to have more lines in use. The more ISPs that offer the service, the more customers that will sign up and use their service in one way or another.

For Verizon, it's a win-win situation.
Who cares?

It's a business. Verizon wants to make money, and the only thing that can come from this is more competition and a better deal for the consumer. If Verizon is doing this (I don't care WHY) they are HELPING me by letting me pick the best deal for myself. I won't be stuck with Package A or Package B but instead will have different options from different ISPs.

-Tzale
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Hey OOL, throttle this! I'm going to FIOS... Verizon FIOS Forum ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900628 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:06:09 EDT Interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900547 11337845 : It makes you think what Verizon's motive is. Are they really trying to be nice guys?

Nah. It just makes economic sense. They've made a huge investment in FIOS and they want to reap the returns. The best way to do so is to have more lines in use. The more ISPs that offer the service, the more customers that will sign up and use their service in one way or another.

For Verizon, it's a win-win situation.
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