Re: a toothless load of cra................... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12890829 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:49:55 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:49:55 EDT Re: a toothless load of cra................... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12890829 owenhome : I honestly think what's going to happen is spyware will be legalized rather than banned. And the purveyors of which will hide behind this act effectively putting the federal stamp of approval on it. Add to that the false sense of security it will give people and OMG, look out.

"Spyware is illegal, this _must_ be OK."

said by sivran See Profile:

Ah, but if a man gains your permission to enter by false pretenses, and you then decide you want him out, he must leave or he is trespassing. ;)
But, when you doorbell rings, do you open the door and just walk away without ever looking to see who it is you just let in? And do you instantaneously forget who it was and what they wanted? Do you look the other way and never notice as they walk out the door with your wallet, TV, VCR, and every other thing they can find? And after they're gone, and you've been looted, do you yell down the street saying "HEY, YOU GET OUT OF HERE!"?

Addressing user ignorance is the first step. All of the dotes out there will be basking in the warm glow of this act as they clink through every little box that passes in front of them.

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Thus, you can agree, then change your mind, and if the junk doesn't provide a way for you to change your mind.. well, then it's trespassing.
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said by Doctor Four See Profile:

If you think about it, this is going to be like Can-Spam
for spyware. And about as effective, too.

The law as it is being proposed, is rather weak, and I
wouldn't be surprised if the marketing lobby have their
hands in the lawmakers' pockets already.
or down their pants
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BlooMe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12883137 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:55:20 EDT Re: a toothless load of cra................... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12882472 Doctor Four : If you think about it, this is going to be like Can-Spam
for spyware. And about as effective, too.

The law as it is being proposed, is rather weak, and I
wouldn't be surprised if the marketing lobby have their
hands in the lawmakers' pockets already.
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A GREAT DEAL of "spyware" is installed, unwittingly, by click happy users who have NO IDEA what they just clicked, much less agreed to. And there's the catch. They agreed to it. If I let somebody in my front door, willingly, they ARE NOT trespassing. They were invited.

If you get a popup, "In order to view this page, you must click yes to install update for internet explorer"........blah blah blabidy blah........."by clicking yes you agree to.........blah blah blo blah blee."

"OH! UMMMMM DUMMMMM DEEEEE DUMMMMMM uh UPDATE! OH OH, update!!!! I am supposed to do that"

Yes yes yes.......next next next.........

BANG

You are infarcted.

AND, you AGREED to install this junk, and you AGREED to let it do anything it wants to, YOU installed it! It wasn't some automated, underhanded, sneaky thing, it flat out asked, and you said YES

Now, here is where the problem lies. It does NO GOOD to pass some load of crap just to pacify public outcry. If you SAY YES, it's not trespassing, and thusly NOT AFFECTED BY THIS ACT!

NOTHING, short of user education, training, and READING, will help get past these threats. This "Act" serves no purpose other than to make the public feel as though there "government" is doing "something" about "something". It will solve nothing.
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