Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12861929 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:02:10 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:02:10 EDT Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12879651 Octopussy2 : 1) Not all muni ventures are paid for with tax money...do your home work.

2) The govt. doesn't control the content. A separate board generally puts together tiered packages for customers to choose from. Parents control content in the home with the remote control!

3) Munis, in general, have lower prices than the monopolistic Telcos and Cable Co.s like Comcast. Munis provide a choice for service. What is wrong with that? And prices at Comcast and SBC haven't been raised across the country due to munis, if that is what you are suggesting! Comcast and SBC will tell you it is because of all their wonderful upgrades (cough, cough). Wonderful upgrades to subpar technology...

4) If a muni decides to build infrastructure to provide services it is a CHOICE to take services. And if you decide to take services of course you have to pay fees! You don't see customers getting free Comcast cable TV, do you? And the tax payers don't pay upfront for the network. You need to learn about the different business models and financing methods in place for muni infrastructure...you sound like a moron.

5) Now I know you are a moron when you say no munis are a success. And the reason you say they aren't a success is because no one thinks they are "good"? What is that supposed to mean?

You say you want "a open real debate with a logical conclusion". Since you are neither logical, nor mindful of real facts, might I suggest you not represent the anti-muni side?
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1. more people with access to the Internet.

That is the only "pro" for muni ran networks I can think of. Now what are the cons.

1. paid for by tax money
2. more government employees for the tax payer to support.
3. government control of internet content (ie, Utah porn blocking law)
4. government price control (comcast and charter in the last 2 months forced to raise prices)
5. Teaching the children to rely on the government for services and "handouts" ( another generation of lazy bums)
6. even tho the tax payers paid up front for the network they still have to pay fees. (higher fees than me on roadrunner to)
7. it is socialist in nature and we know that socialism killed 100 million people, just one more step closer to your death for speaking your mind.
8. not one single muni has been shown to be a success, 600+ exist but no one thinks they are "good"
9. has been tried before and failed, why keep wasting money?

Really think about the benefits and what is gained from a muni ran network, does it make any sense at all to force all tax payers to provide a service that only a few will use? We see what the education and socialism has done for our kids, they are so stupid nowadays. As for the remark about MacCarthy, well he was 100% correct, the FBI released tapes proving he was right, he exposed commies, and the commies killed him, he is a true American hero, we need him back to save this country. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12875848 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:18:30 EDT Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12869170 anon : In "justncredible", n stands for "not". Still, for a troll, he is extremely intelligent and entertaining.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12869170 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:16:06 EDT Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12867118 footballdude :
said by jvigier See Profile:

I know these kinds of people, who use lies, deceit and any other means necessary to fightt anything and everything that doesn't put loads of cash into their wallets...where I come from we call "extreme right"
I know these kinds of people, who use lies, deceit and any other means necessary to fight anything and everything that doesn't put loads of cash into the government's coffers...where I come from we call them the "extreme left".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12867118 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:50:06 EDT Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12866118 RR Conductor : No SW, but they are the scariest.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12866118 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 06:18:27 EDT familiar indeed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12865619 phuntism : justncredible is my favorite poster, always good for a laugh. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12865619 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 02:17:22 EDT Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12865402 anon : many post here seem to not even have read what he says

»www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mp···/3071258

»www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mp···/3071258

READ IT!!!

He is right, and I add that my arguments against munis is better than his, I just can not see using tax dollars to support another money pit. You people that want munis are just plain idiots that have no clue and I hope one day you have to break a sweat for a meal. You lazy bums....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12865402 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:25:12 EDT Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12862134 Bill :
said by jvigier See Profile:

I know these kinds of people, who use lies, deceit and any other means necessary to fightt anything and everything that doesn't put loads of cash into their wallets...where I come from we call "extreme right"
Of course, the "extreme right" are the only ones who use these tactics
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12862134 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:31:05 EDT Re: Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12861929 joebear29 :
said by jvigier See Profile:

I know these kinds of people, who use lies, deceit and any other means necessary to fightt anything and everything that doesn't put loads of cash into their wallets...where I come from we call "extreme right"
Really? I just call them "politicians".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12861929 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:11:33 EDT Hmmm...this sounds familiar http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12861600 jvigier : I wonder if the next study from these losers will prove that McCarthyism was a good thing and that Nixon was our best president.

I know these kinds of people, who use lies, deceit and any other means necessary to fightt anything and everything that doesn't put loads of cash into their wallets...where I come from we call "extreme right"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12861600 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:38:21 EDT