Re: .... no thanks in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12851735 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:24:02 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:24:02 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12870198 pcscdma :
said by XBL2009 See Profile:

HD-DVD and BluRAY support WMV9, the differeces between the two formats is surprisly little except the size of the storage.
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray can support anything because the arrangements of the bits are irrelevant to the disc's physical format.
HD-DVD uses 35GB and requires very little retooling work to be done in manufacturing to get the drives out.
Blu-Ray uses 25GB on a single layer disc and 50GB on a dual layer disc and requires some changes to existing factories so they can manufacture the drives. It supposed to be initially more expensive to manufacture than HD-DVD.
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said by audiog See Profile:

Yes I agree.
WMP 9/10(MPEG 3) are up for DVDHD certification as the file format for the next gen DVD players. The other format is Blueray( MPEG 4) backed by Sony and the other computer hardware manufacturers.

Half of the DVD governing body wants WMP 9(MPEG 3) format and the other wants MPEG 4 video and audio. This has caused the MPEG 4 backers to break from the DVD governing body and to form the Blueray group a independent governing group. Now the IEEE guys are trying to mend the breakup and now the Blueray group is considering supporting WMP 9 and MPEG 4 as file formats.

So WMP 9( MPEG 3) is a natural test bed for IP TV but they should be looking at MPEG 4 also.

MPEG 4 is 30% more coding power the MPEG 3.
This link will explain the difference between MPEG 4 and 3:
»www.telos-systems.com/?/techtalk···ault.htm
HD-DVD and BluRAY support WMV9, the differeces between the two formats is surprisly little except the size of the storage. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12865709 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 02:46:10 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12856734 ColdFiltered : When Microsoft handed the VC9 video codec to the MPEG forum they did so giving them a gift. It was then indoctrinated as VC1. VC9 is a public codec, VC1 its formal MPEG release, and WM9 a Microsoft PC-specific version for which they retain the right to make changes to the WM9 codec.

MPEG-2 video coded is old, ineffecient, etc. and I've know a couple of high-end projector manufacturers that were more than delighted to use WM9 HD clips instead of MPEG-2 based HD clips for demonstrations at exhibitions and conferences.

Using MPEG-2, a standard 19.1-Mpbs HD broadcast feed would require about 9GB of storage space and half that for VC1. And unless you have actually seen some of the Microsoft HD WM9 clips I think you would be standing on a thin foundation of bashing the codec.

A video codec is independent of the copy-protection and playback system being used.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12856734 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:39:59 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12855058 peggypwr1 : The thing that pisses me off the most is when the article mentioned that SBC can prevent viewers from fast fowarding through commericals after recording to their DVRs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12855058 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:08:06 EDT Re: greed and stupidity http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12854222 Corvus : Xvid? Oh please, this is not a serious codec. MPEG-4 is at least developed by serious groups (ITU's Video Coding Experts Group and ISO/IEC).
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They are even dumper doing it with microsoft.
Xvid codec is virtually royalty free and open source, and fully mpeg4 compliant.
Microsofts codecs are very expensive to use and lousy.
But who cares, you will pay for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12854041 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:03:19 EDT This thread say's it all http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12853177 ronpin : »www2.broadbandreports.com/forum/···ode=flat

SBC executives in San Antonio have been testing the carrier's IPTV service for 45 days or so. The service is being fed from Austin, where five local San Antonio channels are being fed from Echostar, compressed with Windows Media 9, and sent via optical link to SBC's San Antonio offices. More fleshed-out residential trials for IPTV will begin in April.
Yeah, so they do see the benefit of fiber -- just not for their peasant fiefdom? 'Frick'n genuises have no frickin clue how their meager f2 copper pairs behave when wet -- even at low 5mbs speeds. Their ratty f2 copper pairs are gonna choke at 20mbs. What fools. "If you can't afford to do it right (FTTP) -- you sure as hell can't afford to do it over". This'll be one of those MBA case studies in corporate stupidity. Incredibly SBC can afford $16 BILLION for some corporate incest with a dying company like AT&T -- but they're upgrading their cash cow on-the-cheap in hopes that their customers are too stupid to know the difference. I can tolerate idiots, but not fools.
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Also, the Microsoft video codec is known as WM9 or VC-9 not WMP9 which refers to Windows Media Player 9.

Both MPEG-4 (H.264) and WM9 have been shown to achieve comparable quality to MPEG-2 at half the bit rate.
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It may be because it is from Micro$oft (OMG!! I uzed doller sine l0l!) and everything they make sucks by default.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12852329 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:13:43 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12852211 pnosker : Er.... this link is Audio (Layers referring to audio layers). AAC is a competiting standard against MP3. mpEG4 and mpEG3 are not the same.

From Wikipedia:
MPEG-3: Originally designed for HDTV, but abandoned when it was discovered that MPEG-2 was sufficient for HDTV.
MPEG-4: Expands MPEG-1 to support video/audio "objects", 3D content, low bitrate encoding and support for Digital Rights Management. A new (newer than MPEG-2 Video) higher efficiency video codec is included (an alternative to MPEG-2 Video), see H.264.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpeg explains it a little bit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12852211 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:58:05 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851980 audiog : Look at my post above. MPEG 3( WMP 9/10) is not as good as the new MPEG 4 which is 30% more coding power. MPEG 4 makes MPEG 3 sound and look like MPEG 2. MPEG 4 is the first to pass some of the loss-less test. Very little phase shift.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851980 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:24:29 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851950 audiog : Yes I agree.
WMP 9/10(MPEG 3) are up for DVDHD certification as the file format for the next gen DVD players. The other format is Blueray( MPEG 4) backed by Sony and the other computer hardware manufacturers.

Half of the DVD governing body wants WMP 9(MPEG 3) format and the other wants MPEG 4 video and audio. This has caused the MPEG 4 backers to break from the DVD governing body and to form the Blueray group a independent governing group. Now the IEEE guys are trying to mend the breakup and now the Blueray group is considering supporting WMP 9 and MPEG 4 as file formats.

So WMP 9( MPEG 3) is a natural test bed for IP TV but they should be looking at MPEG 4 also.

MPEG 4 is 30% more coding power the MPEG 3.
This link will explain the difference between MPEG 4 and 3:
»www.telos-systems.com/?/techtalk···ault.htm ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851950 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:18:53 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851780 djdanska :
said by batageek See Profile:

Words of wisdom from Kirk Brannock, SBC Midwest Networking President.

"we're going to offer 3 mb bpon technology to the side of the home and most users won't use that...."

FTTN because "Fiber is an unproven technology" perhaps?

Such vision for the future.....ack!

see the dialogue here -
»www.tricitybroadband.com/videos/unproven.wmv
OMFG!

"we're going to offer 3 mb bpon technology to the side of the home and most users won't use that...."

What are they ...

Im not even going to say it.
Thank you very much for posting that. That immediately was sent to numerous people.. One of them who lives in Batavia, IL.
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Also, being that its running Media Playe, I wonder if they'll have cookies on it to track which channels you are watching :o

Let's see how 12 kHz audio sounds....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851735 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:48:42 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851628 batageek : Words of wisdom from Kirk Brannock, SBC Midwest Networking President.

"we're going to offer 3 mb bpon technology to the side of the home and most users won't use that...."

FTTN because "Fiber is an unproven technology" perhaps?

Such vision for the future.....ack!

see the dialogue here -
»www.tricitybroadband.com/videos/unproven.wmv
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said by Karl Bode See Profile:

I think you could generally field crap and be competitive if it's marketed well.
If current-day politics has taught me anything, it's that this philosophy is very much alive and well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851288 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:54:03 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851246 Karl Bode : Also consider what they'll be competing against. Anyone who has used Time Warner's Scientific Atlanta digital cable unit and service knows that generally speaking with some exceptions, the image quality out there in the cable sector is not very high.....I think you could generally field crap and be competitive if it's marketed well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851246 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:48:50 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851227 PhoenixDown : Out of curiousity, does anyone know how much loss thier is in these compression forms?
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said by PhoenixDown See Profile:

I understand that everything is compressed at some point, but Windows Media 9? ... uh, ... okay
Could be worse, remember Real Media codecs? :)
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Soon in the future, we'll all be running Atari 2400s!

I thought we always upgraded to the latest and the greatest, not ran with a "standard" that's a generation out-of-date.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851202 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:45:48 EDT Re: .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851194 trebzon :
said by PhoenixDown See Profile:

I understand that everything is compressed at some point, but Windows Media 9? ... uh, ... okay
Although I am not a huge fan of this strategy either we should not give the impression that everyone will see the MS logo and have Windows Media Player all of sudden running on there wide screen HD tv but rather will be using the same codec.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851194 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:44:37 EDT .... no thanks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851176 PhoenixDown : I understand that everything is compressed at some point, but Windows Media 9? ... uh, ... okay
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