Where's the facts? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12850298 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:19:37 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:19:37 EDT Re: Where's the facts? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851854 RadioDoc : Who said you could? If you want that call someone who sells it, like Covad. I was talking about the "unbundled" part of the equation. What you put on it is your business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851854 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:03:25 EDT Re: Where's the facts? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851724 Minister :
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They used to sell UL DSL for $39. Haven't priced one out lately, but in the not so distant past you could get an unloaded dry pair "alarm circuit" for about $9. That's basically the same thing.


I don't understand. I can't call SBC, BellSouth, or Verizon and get stand-alone DSL on a dry pair without the local phone component.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851724 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:46:24 EDT Re: Where's the facts? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851656 RadioDoc : They used to sell UL DSL for $39. Haven't priced one out lately, but in the not so distant past you could get an unloaded dry pair "alarm circuit" for about $9. That's basically the same thing.

Covad sells their "naked DSL" product for about what it would cost to have basic POTS with linesharing so you pay one way or the other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12851656 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:38:45 EDT Re: Where's the facts? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12850972 Minister :
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Anyone can order an unbundled loop.
What? For under say $60?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12850972 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:17:00 EDT Where's the facts? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12850298 RadioDoc : "Responding to complaints, regulators in a growing number of states have ruled the tactic to be illegal."

What states, what complaints? Complaints here don't count. Where are the actual, filed complaints about line sharing?

"It's an issue many argue the FCC should have addressed long ago"

Why? There is no reason for the FCC to even stick their nose in this on their own motion. You can't have the deregulation that allows independent CLECs and VoIP providers to exist and then turn around and whine when that process results in a situation you don't like. Anyone can order an unbundled loop. Nobody wants to pay for it though. Sounds like you want it for "free".

"though the market is slowly forcing telcos in that direction naturally"

If this is the "way it should be" then it will get there through market forces. "Naked DSL" is little more than a marketing/PR buzzword. Ameritech/SBC (for example) ran all DSL on unbundled loops for a number of years until they were forced to line share. Some of those circuits are still in service. How ironic is that? Make up your mind whether you want to have your cake or eat it, Karl Bode See Profile.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12850298 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:29:39 EDT