Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! in D-Link http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12720072 en Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:23:54 EDT Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:23:54 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13274718 zoom314 : Never mind, It seems You solved Your problem.:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13274718 Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:07:05 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13258880 HvC2005 : 1.) the cable spplied with the di-624 is a std-ethernet cable for the connection between the di-624 and any PC thru one of the 4 lan ports... You have to use the modem and the di-624, because thisoni is not std. configurated...

2)The powersupply should be 5Vdc !!! this is a non-commercial voltage that is difficult to find...

3) All lights will flash at startup and go off (LAN) if there is no PC connected (and powerd on). Maybe your unit is damaged.???

Check this and then try to connect to the di-624 web based conf. utility. Remember that your pc has to bee temp. configured with a fixed IP !!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13258880 Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:51:35 EDT DI-624+ and DI-624 occasional heat issue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13222405 JazzyTech : I have a LAN setup using the DI-624+ (in Asia). In this system there are 3 wired computers and 1 wireless unit connected. I have driven the router long and hard (days of consistent downloading from WAN/LAN) in adverse conditions here on a 6.5mbit cable line. It is very hot and humid here. I did encounter the an occasional reset problem. I assumed it was the router but eventually discovered it was actually the power supply that wasn't getting enough ventilation, not the router itself :) I've tweaked the settings many times; this doesn't seem to make any difference as to the reset issue... Since the power supply has more room the router has performed flawlessly for over a year now.

My parents have recently purchased the DI-624(not plus) in the USA. So far it has run with no problems in spite of the high temperatures (Southern California High Desert). No problems for a month.. I'll keep my fingers crossed after all that I've read in this thread!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13222405 Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:38:58 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13148453 anon : Confused,

No problems - go to your web interface for the router, select the advanced tab and click on the firewall button. In this area you can put a rule that will deny all requests for udp port 4665.

So the areas you need to fill out are the rule name (any name will do), enable it, set it to deny, Source = *, Destination = *, IP range = * (in both the source and destination start ip range fields), select UDP as the protocol and put in port 4665 - 4667 in the port range. Set the schedule to always and then click on apply.

The rule will now be active and will deny all udp requests to and from your internal network. It also helps to turn off Kad in emule. This can be done from the options menu -> connection and take the tick out of Kad in the lower right hand corner. Also put a tick in the disable box next to the UDP port part in the middle of the page.

Voila - you should now no longer get reboots. You can still get a high ID from emule by just using the eD2k network and placing your IP address in the DMZ for the router. Make sure your firewall on your computer allows the TCP port 4662 to get through and it will work like a charm.

Good luck! Hope that helps
Baileys2611]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13148453 Tue, 12 Apr 2005 04:18:11 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13141678 bahbahsheep :
said by ahvl7 See Profile:

Hi All!

I just upgraded my fw v2.50 beta to final us v2.50, and it does not fix the reboot problem when using P2P or torrent client; even though I am on WIRED. I flashed back to beta v2.50 from Isaeli site, and it is OK as it did before; no reboot with P2P. I am always on WIRED now.

I got same date, Sep 13, for both beta and final version of v2.50. I don't know what DLink is doing. This is not a new product, but they can't fix this problem with many fw versions. That sucks. .|. DLink.
If you are having issues with BT, disable Super G.

I've done this and the router is rock solid. Haven't had a reboot in 2 weeks (cross my fingers). Speeds at 54mbps still exceed my 3mbit broadband connection so I'll live with it for now. I'm using firmware 2.50]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13141678 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:45:48 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13140747 anon : I'm in Aus and have the same prob Baileys2611, how did you set the rule to reject the UDP ports?

I've set a rule to allow the UDP and TCP ports edonkey runs on, should i be setting it to reject the UDP port edonkey runs on?

Kinda confused]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13140747 Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:20:26 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13046919 Fermulator : I'm also working on resolving this issue.

I have two locations with the same hardware setup.

So far MINE works, and my brothers does not.
Running same firmware and settings.

Will keep you all updated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13046919 Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:56:26 EDT Re: di-624 Firmware 2.50 PADT TAG (Problem and Fix) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13037732 anon : I have this PPPoE PADT TAG errors intermittenly. It start dropping connection to ISP every few seconds and disappears after several minutes. I was told already by my ISP he will disable my account if I will not fix this issue. I already tried all suggestions from this forum (including yours regarding service name) - no success. I'm really frustrated with this router - would never advise anybody to buy it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13037732 Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:20:51 EDT Re: Linksys WRT54G as an alternative http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13031999 anon : I purchased a DI-624 router a week ago and found several issues with the product.

When the system was set to "Manual" connection I got no problems at all, in fact the product worked like a dream. However since I want to use VoIP I needed to use the "Always-On" feature.

The product would simply not connect with the "always-on" setting. Eventually after a lot of messing around it worked, but only for a short time. After several calls to D-Link support I upgraded to 2.5 and then was emailed the 2.52 beta - I was informed that the 2.52 would fix all my problems - it didn't.

Also sometimes when I connected via manual the system would not connect to certain secure pages such as Yahoo Mail. This was a pain and I had to manually reset the server several times.

In the end I gave up and returned the product to the store I got it from and bought a Linksys WRT54G. The product kicked off straight away and I have had no problems since.

I don't usually add to forums but I was helped a great deal by posts from other people on the DI-624. I thought I was going mad when I couldn't access Yahoo mail but could access other sites - other users have had this problem - I noted on some forums.

I do like the DI-624 - nice features, but the poor service support and inability to operate as always on is terrible.

Good luck to anyone using a DI-624.

I should mention that my DSL is Unwired in Australia. An wireless DSL provider.

Rgds

Shox]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13031999 Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:56:34 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13006429 anon : I'm seeing the same thing as euroglx: If any of my wireless clients are online, my 624 works flawlessly for both wireless and wired clients. With no wireless clients, the 624 is constantly reseting itself. Makes it nearly useless for web browsing on the wired clients and totally useless for anything that requires a continuous TCP connection.

My wireless clients are a Thinkpad A22 with a DW-G650 card and a PowerBook G4 with built in wireless. My wired clients are a Thinkpad A21m and an old Dell Optiplex G. The PowerBook runs OSX.3 (Panther) and the other 3 run Mandrake 10.0 Official.

I can swap the 650 card between the 2 Thinkpads with identical results.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13006429 Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:28:42 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13002184 Talon88 : :::

you can try crash recovery reflash
the Firmware v2.50. See my Sign for details.

Also, No All CAPS next time please...! :mad:

:::

said by HELP MEPLZ:

HOW DO I FLASH THE ROUTER I DONT KNOW HOW PLZ GIVE STEP BY STEP
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[=Talon88=]
»DI-624 Firmware update w/ Crash Recovery Step by S --
»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13002184 Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:13:06 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13002139 anon : HOW DO I FLASH THE ROUTER I DONT KNOW HOW PLZ GIVE STEP BY STEP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13002139 Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:06:56 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13001175 Talon88 : :::

d-linkcrap,

I think You are Crap more likely. It's because
you don't even know DI-624+ & DI-624 is totally
Different model & Chipset....!

:::

said by d-linkcrap:

I'm using a DI-624+ in New Zealand, can't upgrade to firmware 2.50 (different product ID message). The box is crap, disconnects all the time. Tried everything.
Last thing I tried succesfully was return it.
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[=Talon88=]
»DI-624 Firmware update w/ Crash Recovery Step by S --
»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13001175 Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:49:22 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13000385 anon : I'm using a DI-624+ in New Zealand, can't upgrade to firmware 2.50 (different product ID message). The box is crap, disconnects all the time. Tried everything.
Last thing I tried succesfully was return it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13000385 Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:36:47 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12982205 crowland : I just installed a D-Link DI-624 Rev C and 2 DWL-G650s and couldn't be happier. The reception upstairs in 80% versus the 40% Orinoco BG-2000 and Cisco cards. Great combination and my VPN to work isn't dropping like before.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12982205 Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:22:41 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12979129 Talon88 : :::

WEP is only for wireless. not related to wire.
maybe can you try other netowrk cable...?

If still not working, try crash recovery reflash
the Firmware v2.50. See my Sign for details

:::
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[=Talon88=]
»DI-624 Firmware update w/ Crash Recovery Step by S --
»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12979129 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:43:01 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12978089 anon : Thanks Talon, tried that (and used a new power supply!) and got everything working just sweet, but when I later tried to connect my Mac with an ethernet cable, the router just would not connect. To clarify, the router was communicating wirelessly, but not with a wire. Was there something I was supposed to do?
Also, and this is where I reveal my gross naivety, can I set up WEP security wirelessly, or do I have to have a wired connection to set it up in the configuration menu? Finally, am I correct in thinking that WEP is the type of security that asks all clients attempting to join the network for a password, or is that some other, more basic variety of security?
Thanks again for all your help. Take care of Toronto for me!
Davder.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12978089 Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:53:12 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12963326 Talon88 : :::

Davder, try to Press & Hold the reset button at the
back of your router for 12 sec.
Then turn on you MAC after router reboot (About 10 Sec).

Set you MAC "Auto DHCP"

:::

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[=Talon88=] »DI-624 Firmware update w/ Crash Recovery Step by S -- »[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12963326 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:59:45 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12962975 Peppe_e : Got the disconnects last week after 6 month of stable connectivity. Had not done any changes at all before the disconnects started.
Tried everything without success until I found an earlier post about IP change on router....

Changed IP to 192.168.0.200 instead of default .1 and the disconnect stopped. Have not seen them since.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12962975 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:26:11 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12962522 anon : I eventually turned KAD off in emule, set up a UDP rule in the firewall rules to reject those UDP ports and am smiling now :-)

Apparently what happens is that the memory in these routers fills up pretty quickly thanks to UDP requests. Unlike a normal router which will store a certain amount of UDP translations in it's memory and then use a fifo system to dump them, this router gets to a full memory stage and reboots to fix itself.

The end result is that emule and Kad (a UDP based network) are bad news for the router. You can still use emule, just don't use the Kad network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12962522 Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:30:52 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12962098 anon : Yes, I am seeing dozens of reboots per hour. I'm about ready to take the unit back to the store.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12962098 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:23:10 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12960821 anon : Hello all, I am trying to set up a recently purchased di-624 wireless router, and it is proving problematic.
I am using a Macintosh, OS10.3.5. The di-624 is HW version C3, FW version 2.42. I picked it up in Canada after reading two good reviews (!), but I am using it in Ireland, with a power adapter (these things are bloody expensive here).
Upon powering up the di-624, the power and status lights immediately
turn on solid, and the WLAN led blinks. After inserting the ethernet
cable into the WAN port, the WAN led blinks. Then after connecting my
iBook to any of the ports 1-4 with the ethernet cable provided with
the di-624, I will get a brief flicker on the port in question, until
about 30 seconds later, when all 4 LAN leds become solidly
illuminated, and the Status and WLAN leds go blank. The router then
appears non-responsive.
I have tried using the ethernet cable supplied with the di-624 to
connect my DSL modem to my computer, and I cannot connect to the
Internet. However, when using the ethernet cable supplied with the
modem, I can get an internet connection. So the ethernet cable that
came with the di-624 appears to be faulty.
However, I'm not sure this alone can account for the 4 solid LAN leds,
and the blanking out of the Status led.
Whatever the cause of the problem, I cannot access the web-based
configuration utility to communicate with the di-624. Using the
functioning ethernet cable that arrived with my modem to connect the
di-624 to my computer does not appear to work either.
Any ideas on what I should do? I'll try with a new ethernet cable tomorrow, but I doubt that alone will fix it. Also, should I update the firmware? If yes, how do I do the recommended crash firmware update? If the model itself is faulty, am I stuck with it, considering I got it in Canada? And also, is it possible the problem is down to the power adapter?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, Davi.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12960821 Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:55:23 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12941109 anon : :( I had a fairly stable rev C DI-624, until a couple weeks ago. It started to reboot like crazy. Not heat related since temperatures here are still fairly cool.

I reflashed it with v2.50 and it diminished significantly. However it cannot keep a stable channel long enough to keep MSN messenger open and it will reboot if y try to FTP anything through it. The piece of trash.

Any PREVIOUS firmware version recommendation??? I really want to use Dynamic Turbo and keep a stable connection to the internet. I don't need peer-2-peer, WPA, or gaming support.

Thanks for your suggestions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12941109 Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:17:54 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12914252 anon : Hi there,

I'm one of the "lucky" people who owns a DI-624C3 v2.50.
Until now, except few paeDISCONNECTED messages every week/month - which I don't really care - I had no problem. I have a PC with a DWL-G520B v3.17 and a Toshiba with a DWL-G650C v3.17. Both connect to Internet and both can access to each other @ "108 Mbs". I have the usual config (SSID hidden, SuperG Dynamic Turbo, Static DHCP Server, MAC Filters, eMule Ports redirected, WPA-PSHK, NOT only G mode...)

The problem came when I bought an Axim x50v (a Dell Pocket PC with 802.11b Wi-Fi integrated). I don't know why but there's no way of connecting the Pocket PC with the router, I've tried lots of configurations (even with no security and no MAC filters; and yes, lots of connections from my neighbours at the very instant).

I have read the whole post but though lots of people are great with the help they provide, I haven't seen anybody with the same problem than me. If anybody has found himself with this problem and has solved it, please let me know how, I would thank you a lot

I have ADSL with Telefonica (Spain) coming from a Zyxel 643 Router (working as a modem) that gave me when I signed the contract, I tell you in case it helps you, but I think this really doesn't matter, does it? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12914252 Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:33:49 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12909079 Chip Zero : You still troll here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12909079 Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:31:05 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900444 Talon88 : :::

I am using v2.5, So far OK. May Reboot once a few
days when Traffic is too heavy due to many BT Download.
I haven't try v2.52, I will until it is not beta.
But some people say 2.52 is OK. But I recommand
v2.5 at the moment....!

:::

said by Newbie007:

Talon,
you have much experience, do you still get reboots?... I have continous reboots with my DI624 C3 came with 2.42 which I still have.
Should I go to 2.50? Is there anything that can be done to stop reboots....I'ts a real pain.
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[=Talon88=]
»DI-624 Firmware update w/ Crash Recovery Step by S --
»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12900444 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:28 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12899717 jas0nuk : There are lots of reasons why your router may be restarting:
1) The power supply - lots of these routers have awful power supplies that cause problems
2) Heat - try standing your router up on its side to help the air flow
3) Inteference -
---i) play around with SuperG settings. If possible, turn it off. The SuperG chip is very badly prone to interference
---ii) you have a 2.4ghz cordless phone, or your microwave is saturating the chip and causing a reboot. Move your router away.

Also, see Talon's sig for a good guide on how to do a crash recovery, which is the only way you should update firmware on this router. A standard update leaves a trail of old code behind in the ROM!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12899717 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:42:57 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12899484 anon : Talon,

you have much experience, do you still get reboots?... I have continous reboots with my DI624 C3 came with 2.42 which I still have.

Should I go to 2.50? Is there anything that can be done to stop reboots....I'ts a real pain.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12899484 Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:07:46 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12885447 anon : They really do work perfectly if you know what you're doing. Congrats.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12885447 Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:35:20 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12884074 Talon88 : ::::

change the IP address of the router...?
To What....? :)

::::]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12884074 Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:59:30 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12883554 anon : Reboot solved!!!!
After sending and getting back my DI624 - with same reboots.
One of D-link tech support people has suggested to change the IP address of the router - and like magic - No reboots any more!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12883554 Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:11:19 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12879540 euroglx : I just bought a di-624, and i am regretting it now.

I am experiencing the reboot problem but only when no wireless computers are connected. When a wireless connection establishes, the router is flawless. BUT, when my router is only dealing with wired computers, and no wireless connections connected the rebooting occurs.

I have dhcp, and mac filtering turned on. SSID off, WEP(shared) on, super g with dynamic turbo, Wi fi on chan 6, Tx rate set to auto and using the 2.50 firmware upgrade.

Anyone have any idea why this is happening? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12879540 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:34:48 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12862444 NutsPT : Hello there, I'm about to buy one of this to subst my DI-614+
It fall of the closet :(

I prefer the DI-624 to the DI-624+ (EU only I think)

I'm just wondering is anyone can use this router at 108 Mbps ( 2X Turbo Mode) with a proxim/orinoco card 2X mode or other good card that permits external antena.

Tks for your attention

Excuse my bad english, I'm portuguese ;)
Just hope to get a working version similar to my 614+ ( Always ON )
Stay cool]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12862444 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:00:36 EDT Linksys WRT54G as an alternative http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12854116 Stem Bolt : Wow, I can't believe how many people are having problems with this router. Might I suggest to the frustrated owners to consider getting a Linksys WRT54G or WRT54GS router? There are several open source firmware projects that support this router. Bugs are fixed quickly and many new and useful features are being introduced. I've had mine for over a year and I haven't had any problems with it. I'm running a an open source firmware on it and I'm very pleased.

Just a thought.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12854116 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:14:44 EDT di-624 Firmware 2.50 PADT TAG (Problem and Fix) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12853867 jjarman : When I upgraded my DI-624 revC3 to firmware 2.50 I could no longer connect at all to my ISP, the log showed PPPoE PADT TAG errors when trying to connect every time.

d-link tech support says that PADT TAG in the log means that the PPPoE server is rejecting my credentials (username & password)

Use the exact same setings in WinXP to create the PPPoE and it works fine. Neither d-link or my ISP have been ANY help over 3 hours on the phone today. Tried MANY suggestions from both ISP and d-link.

Finally I fixed it myself by doing the following:
1. On your PPPoE settings completly remove everything from the service line (I had the same entry here on 2.42 & 2.44 and it worked fine, this is new behavior in ver 2.50, also service name works in WinXP too, just not 2.50 di-624)

Hope this helps someone else as I've been pulling my hair out all day.

Cheers,
Josh

PS. Also, anyone who's had a di-624 knows all the problems that each releas has had, continually dropped connections etc.

Previous things I've learned about this router:
1. The modem reboots when the log fills up (yikes!)
2. G Turbo mode can cause the modem to reboot from phone interference setting to regular G fixes this.
3. When flashing firmware, do a crash recovery flash, NOT regular as it doesn't overwrite all the ROM. (yikes!!!)
4. Discard external pings...or else the router can reboot from ping type attacks, or p2p apps.
5. Some people have to set their router to 10mbps not auto, or the router reboots.

The # of times I've had problems with this device are too many to count...time to start saving for a linksys or buffalotech.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12853867 Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:40:21 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12774446 Talon88 : :::

Maybe the CDI will better suitable the
Canadian Weather......! :p

:::]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12774446 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:19:59 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12773495 Tsume : Wow... CDI = canadian?

That means I sent my US BDI624vC2 for RMA, and got a CDI624vC3 back. That's mind-boggling! At least canada has the same channels as the us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12773495 Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:39:02 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12748058 anon : hi i just wanted to let everyone know i fixed my problem and in my case it turns out not to be a dlink problem. it is a microsoft problem with Windows Zero Config Service. If you stop this service (I also stopped the Dlink WZCS from loading) everything works great. Below are links to more info!

»support.microsoft.com/default.as···s;821400

check the net, this causes problems with many wireless routers and cards. the only fault by dlink is not being aware enough to immediately recommend this when you call tech support]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12748058 Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:42:47 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12722964 jas0nuk : @funchords lmao

Wowee! Just realised mine is BDI-624 as well :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12722964 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:40:59 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12722248 Frank_ :
said by funchords See Profile:

ADI, BDI, CDI, DDI, and EDI are the number of times, 1-5, the router has been back to D-Link for "refurbishment."

. . . (( just kidding )) :D

BDI is mfgd for USA
CDI for Canada
TDI for Taiwan
Interesting, and thanks!
I almost believe the 1st explanation... lol
funny enough, im using the BDI on Rogers, a canadian isp, which works fine.
so far! :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12722248 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:58:04 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12721327 tquade : Again you have proven to be a gold mine of information.

Thanks
Ted]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12721327 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:45:30 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12720072 funchords : ADI, BDI, CDI, DDI, and EDI are the number of times, 1-5, the router has been back to D-Link for "refurbishment."

. . . (( just kidding )) :D

BDI is mfgd for USA
CDI for Canada
TDI for Taiwan
... got this on the last page of this link ( »apparat.conagri.se/pdp/37432di-624plus.pdf )

. . . and in this thread ( »DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! ) it is mentioned that VDI was OEM'd to Verizon.
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http://www.funchords.com/
Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12720072 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:44:11 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719980 Talon88 : :::

Maybe that's Why your DI-624 don't reboot....
Is there any relation between DI, BDI, CDI, VDI...

:::

said by Tsume See Profile:

Mine says "CDI 624"...
Wonder what it means.
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»DI-624 Firmware update w/ Crash Recovery Step by S --
»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719980 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:59:41 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719909 Tsume : Mine says "CDI 624"...

Wonder what it means.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719909 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:30:36 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719766 Talon88 : :::

After I checked, Mine is BDI as well.....
OMG..... :p

:::]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719766 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:47:32 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719084 Frank_ :
said by Talon88 See Profile:

:::

What is BDI-624_c3.....?
BDI....?????

:::
said by Tsume See Profile:

:::
BDI must be canadian, his isp is rogers
Look on the bottom of the router, on the sticker,
the p/n number on mine says "BDI 624....C3"

And this router is from the USA, not Canada. :)

Frank]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12719084 Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:22:42 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12716546 Tsume : BDI must be canadian, his isp is rogers :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12716546 Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:16:29 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12716329 jas0nuk : I gather that it's some custom hardware revision of the DI-624, similar to the mystical VDI-624 mentioned on the US Firmware page.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12716329 Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:36:50 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12712602 Talon88 : :::

What is BDI-624_c3.....?
BDI....?????

:::]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12712602 Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:11:12 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12712490 anon : I did installed the 2.5 on a BDI 624 c3, as the 2.42 was disconnecting constantly, and it seemed to sove the problem so far.
Its been 2 days with no disconnects.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12712490 Sat, 19 Feb 2005 02:31:29 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12688496 funchords :
said by icest0rm See Profile:

hi mates, i've just bought my DI-624 to replace a 3Com 3CWRE554G72....
I've now firmware v2.42 on it...

on the US page with firmware 2.50 it is written:

This firmware is engineered for US products only.
Using this firmware on a device outside of the United States will void your warranty and may render the device unusable.

On italian D-Link FTP site there's only a 2.44 for my C1 rev.

Should I stay with this 2.44 or can I go also for the 2.50?

The full name is:

DI-624_ar_244b14_nml.bin

thanx
Since you just bought it, just understand that if something goes wrong -- and you have to call D-Link -- that the US site says your warranty would be void.

Now, if you have a warranty document (usually included with your product documents), you are actually governed by the terms of that warranty and your local laws -- not any post-purchase warning on a USA website.

However, you still may get resistance when you call for support.

Many people have used firmware from outside of their country. Those that have had problems have been able to re-apply their local firmware without much difficulty -- if needed. If you try this, and need to go back, you can just ask for help in this forum if you want. Or, if your warranty allows, you can call in for an RMA. But I'm pretty certain we can get you back to the working firmware here in the forum.
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Robb Topolski
http://www.funchords.com/
Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12688496 Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:16:47 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12685450 icest0rm : hi mates, i've just bought my DI-624 to replace a 3Com 3CWRE554G72....
I've now firmware v2.42 on it...

on the US page with firmware 2.50 it is written:

This firmware is engineered for US products only.
Using this firmware on a device outside of the United States will void your warranty and may render the device unusable.

On italian D-Link FTP site there's only a 2.44 for my C1 rev.

Should I stay with this 2.44 or can I go also for the 2.50?

The full name is:

DI-624_ar_244b14_nml.bin

thanx]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12685450 Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:15:25 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12684842 jas0nuk : Fine! I was wrong :uhh:

Just that I'd never heard of the VDI-??? or the BDI-??? before. I apologise :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12684842 Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:41:36 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12684102 funchords :
said by slasherx See Profile:

it's not an error, there actually are devices that have the P/N number as VDI. just because you don't have one doesnt meant it's a typo or it doesnt exist.
I was wondering about that too. What the heck is it? Is it vendor specific? (part of an ISP promo?)
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http://www.funchords.com/
Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12684102 Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:20:17 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12684046 slasherx :
said by jas0nuk See Profile:

That's the first time I've heard it being referred to as a "cardio monitor" :D!

Yes, it is supposed to have a steady flash.

Also, VDI is a typing error. They mean "If you have a C3 DI-624..." - the VDI-624 doesnt exist.

I'm not sure however if the new firmware will work on a C3, but you might be able to find some help about it in this forum. I'm sure it would be fine but please don't hold me responsible if it goes wrong. :)
it's not an error, there actually are devices that have the P/N number as VDI. just because you don't have one doesnt meant it's a typo or it doesnt exist.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12684046 Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:09:33 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12680755 anon : Thanks, ANoni, I read that previously about you having no trouble at all in this thread.
Since you have a C3 also, can you post the detailed sticker numbers from the bottom of the unit? as I did.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12680755 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:40:30 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12678265 anon : All I can comment on is this:

My DI-624 C3 2.50 is properly configured and it has no problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12678265 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:27:25 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677159 anon :

Also, VDI is a typing error. They mean "If you have a C3 DI-624..." - the VDI-624 doesnt exist.

I wonder why they state "VDI" on their site then.
Its kind of coincidental that mine says "BDI" on the P/N number, i wonder if their are "VDI" revisions stated on this p/n number.
maybe someone with one can let us know.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677159 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:31:50 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12674875 jas0nuk : That's the first time I've heard it being referred to as a "cardio monitor" :D!

Yes, it is supposed to have a steady flash.

Also, VDI is a typing error. They mean "If you have a C3 DI-624..." - the VDI-624 doesnt exist.

I'm not sure however if the new firmware will work on a C3, but you might be able to find some help about it in this forum. I'm sure it would be fine but please don't hold me responsible if it goes wrong. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12674875 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:21:16 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12672693 anon : I have no idea if it's VDI, but the bottom shows the following, maybe you can tell me better.

FCC ID: KA2DI624VC2
P/N: BDI624,,,,C3
thats no typo, it shows "BDI624,,,,C3"
(i duno why they put 4 commas)
H/W ver: C3
F/W ver 2.42

anyways, this is exactly what it shows.
so, im not sure if its a vdi as the site refers to.
also , my status led flash's a slow steady pulse, like a cardio monitor. Is it supposed to?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12672693 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:26:38 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12672097 tquade : Here is the exact narrative from the web site.

"If you have the VDI-624 (revC3), do NOT upgrade firmware. Contact your ISP for an upgrade."

If you have a VDI then follow the guidance. If not, go ahead and install the 2.50 firmware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12672097 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:13:05 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12671766 anon : I just got a 624 rev C3, and it has firmware 2.42 installed.
I checked the website for a new revision, and i see v2.5 is available, but says its not for c3, and to get a hold of your isp, well, my ISP is Rogers in canada.
I doubt they will supply any new firmwares for this unit...
btw, this rev c3 is rebooting itself every so often.
how annoying.
any help would be appreciated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12671766 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:37:42 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12670180 jas0nuk : Well.. the site says 600mA max?..

And I once transmitted a 2GB folder via wireless connection to a laptop, connection went to 108mbps and had no problems at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12670180 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:47:29 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12669116 Talon88 : :::

Maybe 600mA is for idle only,
it may need more current when it's under load.....!

:::]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12669116 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:47:35 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12666310 anon : Hey USAers.

Somebody from the UK here who bought a US D-Link router.

I dunno but I seem to have no problems and I'm always playing with my setup.
I have a suspicion that the power supply from D-link may be a bit rough. How could a little box like that provide 2.5A cleanly?

When I bought my USA 624 from eBay, I stupidly failed to realise that it came with a USA 110V PSU. So, when it arrived, I found an old Nokia charger, 5.5V, 800mA, and added the D-Link PSU's plug to it with the help of some plyers and tape.

My router works great under both FW 2.42 and 2.50, and I still don't understand why D-Link provide a 2500mA supply when the router only takes about 600mA at the most!

I apologise if I said anything that didn't make sense or was wrong it that post. I'm tired :)

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jas0nuk
"Options: Registered users are cool and groovy" - lmao]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12666310 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:42:14 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12665629 anon : Ok, thanks...
sounds like the designer's have very poor regulators or controllers in the mix.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12665629 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 03:14:22 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12665000 funchords :
said by sp00kie:

Hey, do all the rev C1 have this high pitched issue, or just some?
I used to swear up and down that I didn't have it. Until one day I moved my router from my office to a quieter room. Then, I couldn't believe that I never noticed it before.

I never bothered to RMA and it's still in strong service.

One disconcerting thing about it is that the pitch of the whine changes as you plug/unplug LAN/WAN connections.
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Robb Topolski
http://www.funchords.com/
Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12665000 Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:34:58 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12661931 Flashfox : Also, remember that as the input voltage increases, the regulator needs to dump the excess differential... as heat. If the regulator is not a low-drop-out version, then you want to maintain around a 2 Volts minimum overhead. Too low and it might fail to regulate, too high (but within the limits) and it will generate more heat.

Newer regulators are switching models, which are generally much more efficient (i.e. less heat dissipation).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12661931 Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:24:36 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12658774 anon :

SoCal99
Yea especially if its a Rev C1. They have a known issue with high pitch noises and dlink was rma'ing to rev C2 or C3 for free. Mine about drove me nuts before I replaced it.


Hey, do all the rev C1 have this high pitched issue, or just some?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12658774 Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:19:51 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12658595 anon : :D removing the (optional) Service Name i.e. Sympatico
and leaving the field blank worked on my dl-604.

Many, many thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12658595 Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:56:05 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12602875 frontinus :
said by StillLearn See Profile:

said by frontinus See Profile:

If that device has an on-board regulator (which the picture on »[Info] DI-624 - No more rebooting! where the silkscreen says Vin 5V to 15V implies) the choice of feeding that router with a 5 volt supply may have been made largely to to avoid the additional heat at the on-board regulator in the router case that using a 6 volt supply would have generated.

It looks as if the designer may be starving the regulator, unless there is more margin than it looks like.
You bring up an excellent point. The purpose of the regulator is to take a range of input voltage and make sure that the output voltage stays locked at some value regardless of what happens to the input voltage. The regulator has its limits of course. And yes, voltage regulators do generate a fair amount of heat. And different input voltages will certainly result in different heat output from the regulator as it does its job.

My first question would be how much of the total heat put off by the components on the board comes from the voltage regulator and how much from the processor. If they are on par with each other, then trying to reduce the regulator heat would have a significant affect on overall heat. But if the processor generates 25 times as much heat as the regulator, then the impact would not be significant. I don't have data for either component, so I couldn't tell you which scenario is applicable for this router. In the search for solutions through different board revs, D-Link could also change the regulator used to one which is more efficient (generates less heat).

Note that they are not "starving" the regulator unless they drop the wall wart feeding the unit below 5V and/or below the current draw of the unit. By using a regulator, they automatically get that range of allowed input voltages to use while still getting the desired output voltage. This gives them flexibility in choosing different wall warts throughout the product's lifetime. If they use that same regulator on multiple product lines, then they can use the same wall wart and buy them in larger quantities and more of a discount, thus reducing the wall wart costs across all of those product lines.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12602875 Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:53:29 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12602828 frontinus : > I notice that display equipment (LCD, whether or not light-emitting) seems to operate visibly slower at 10C than at 35C.

Although I design computer chips, not LCD displays, I can at least provide some general information and point you in the right direction for further research. It wasn't clear if you were asking for a comparison between semiconductor sensitivity to temperature and LCD temperature sensitivity or only about LCD's in isolation. The short answer is that they have two completely different mechanisms of operation, physically, so there isn't a good correlation in temperature sensitivity between the two. The only thing moving in semiconductors are electrons. In LCD's, there are relatively huge and heavy molecule sized objects physically moving to obtain different orientations. Your observation about LCD response is correct. The LCD's are responding slower at colder temperatures, but for reasons which have nothing to do with semiconductors. A great place to get high level overview of how LCD's work is here:

»electronics.howstuffworks.com/lcd1.htm



Thermal protection vs. power savings modes
I'd like to distinguish between thermal protection and reduced power operations. Thermal protection is not a normal mode of operation where as power saving modes of operation are normal. Thermal protection is more of a last ditch effort on the part of chip makers to keep a chip from self destructing because it is over heating beyond acceptable ranges and approaching the point of causing permanent physical damage to the chip. It might be overheating because a heatsink has been totally or partially removed or, in the case of a PC, a motherboard has been misconfigured to provide too much voltage, etc. In short, it's a severe condition, and the chip should never have to operate there normally. The temperature sensors built into the chip detects the critical heat levels and sounds the internal "alarm" to force emergency reduced operating levels. Usually the clock(s) gets cranked way, way, way down in speed and parts of the chip are switched off. It's a one way trip to a system shutdown. Thermal protection is more common in the PC world where high powered PC's are going to be plugged in (including laptops). In embedded processors, like those used router boxes and battery powered gadgets, thermal protections is less of a requirement because there is considerably less risk of severe overheating. Two AA batteries aren't going to send your MP3 player to 110C, but in a PC that can happen. My point is that the embedded chip world has different goals and constraints than the PC world, so some power related features are seen in both and some not.

Contrast the thermal protection behavior to normal power savings operations where the temperature is always within acceptable ranges regardless of processor state, and the processor is simply jumping in and out of different power saving states depending on loading of the processor. At the chip level, the processor has lots of knobs to turn in different combinations to tweak power usage to what is required. Chips can lower clock speed internally, shut down different sections of the chip for short bursts, adjust the voltage as they vary the speed, etc. The power savings modes aren't as simple as off or on. There are a lot of gradients of low power states and operation. While I type this response, the processor is dropping in and out of lower power states between my keystrokes. The processor can cascade through the states as required, falling from one to the next as each threshold for being idle is reached. At the system level in a PC, the OS and the processor can do another level of power savings with respect to shutting down or reducing usage of other system components (display off, disk stopped, etc).

You asked if your observations of these metrics were interrelated and whether adjusting temperature changes the electrical considerations. In a processor, voltage, current, frequency, and heat generated are all inseparably related to one another. In general, the temperature you observe is simply a resultant of the combination of the other factors, not a directly controllable factor. You have to be careful when you say "perhaps adjusting temperature changes the electrical considerations" and the context you are applying it to. I sense you are considering the temperature as a knob for the designers to turn to affect power usage, but this is not the right cause and effect. Designers can choose to run with a configuration which requires a certain power usage, and a temperature will result from that. We observe temperature, not set it. The only thing we control with temperature is how we pump it away from the chip (simple heatsink, fan heatsink, liquid nitrogen).

Now that I said that, I have to add something that will be confusing, and this gets back to the context question. Say I have a 3.3V chip running at 100MHz and it is consuming 50 watts with a regular fan heatsink for a cooling solution. Now, instead, let's get totally impractical and say I'm in a lab and I use liquid nitrogen to cool it to -80C, but I haven't changed the frequency nor the voltage. Is the chip running any faster? No. It's still clocked at 100MHz, so no operations complete any faster. Now, is the power consumed the same? No, it's less. It might be considerably less, say 15 watts. Why? Because the transistors are switching faster (more efficient) at the cooler temperature which results in reduced dynamic (switching) current, which results in less heat generated. It's important to differentiate between transistor switching speed and clock frequency. Clock frequency dictates the interval you better be done switching within. Transistor switching says how fast a given switch happens within that time window dictated by the clock. For a 10ns period, if my switching takes 3ns and ends at time=8ns in the period, then I finished with 2ns to spare and leaked switching current for 3ns of that 10ns. Now I cool the chip with liquid nitrogen, and it takes only 1ns to do the same switch instead of 3ns. My 10ns clock period hasn't changed, but I got the same amount of switching done with more time to spare in that clock cycle. I also burned less power by being in the switching mode of operation for less time, hence, less dynamic current, and less heat generated. Now multiply that savings by the millions of transistors on a processor (we're over 200 million on PC's currently), and that small difference adds up to watts saved.

See my reply to StillLearn about the 5-15V input and the wall warts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12602828 Mon, 07 Feb 2005 03:23:04 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12596698 anon : I've finally solved my gradual slow down issue with the router (DI-624 Rev.C) by changing the preamble from short to long. I've upgraded my firmware to 2.52. My other settings are:
Super G without Turbo Enabled
WEP encryption
Channel other than 6
MAC filters Enabled
Block Wan Ping Disabled
UPNP Disabled
Gaming Mode Disabled
PPTP Disabled
IPSec Disabled
TX Rate to 100Mbps

I hope this helps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12596698 Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:52:46 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12584474 funchords :
said by StillLearn See Profile:

If that device has an on-board regulator (which the picture on »[Info] DI-624 - No more rebooting! where the silkscreen says Vin 5V to 15V implies) the choice of feeding that router with a 5 volt supply may have been made largely to to avoid the additional heat at the on-board regulator in the router case that using a 6 volt supply would have generated.

It looks as if the designer may be starving the regulator, unless there is more margin than it looks like.
Since upgrading to 2.52, I have been getting some pretty bad rebooting, especially during backups. However, I had also located the router to the top of my Projector TV, and I began wondering if I was getting RFI.

Yesterday, I tried a 6v 2500mA brick (properly polarized) and it repeatedly locked up within 10 seconds of power-up (all lights solid on). This seems to be a different result than others have received.

So now I'm back with the D-Link brick, and I went from FW 2.52 to 2.42 and I'm not rebooting (so far).

The full weekends of work on this curiosity have to stop, but I'm still working on it albeit much less intensely.
--
Robb Topolski
http://www.funchords.com/
Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12584474 Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:52:08 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12577552 StillLearn :
said by frontinus See Profile:

*"The 5v 2.5A standard D-Link PS might be an attempt to keep the temp low by keeping the power low, but once the temp goes up it won't deliver enough power for the increased demand."
No. This is absurd and not how board designers work. A processor only draws as much current as it needs. You could put a 10A supply on there, but if the board only uses a maximum of 3A, then it will never draw more than 3A off the supply. The rest is just unused headroom. Similarly, the processor could have a huge range of current draws depending on the "knobs" set by the designers. The finished board may only draw 2.27A, but you can only get the power supplies in half or quarter volt increments. Good look finding a cheap, odd sized 2.27A power supply. The way it works is the board requires a maximum worst case draw of X amps, and the designers find the cheapest X+y capable power supply that is sufficient for the application, where y is a conservative margin of headroom gained from choosing from one of the standard valued power supplies. If a board designer needs to reduce heat, he has to either change the cooling solution or reduce the frequency or voltage of operation. He would not start starving the parts for power as this is a recipe for instability and failure.
If that device has an on-board regulator (which the picture on »[Info] DI-624 - No more rebooting! where the silkscreen says Vin 5V to 15V implies) the choice of feeding that router with a 5 volt supply may have been made largely to to avoid the additional heat at the on-board regulator in the router case that using a 6 volt supply would have generated.

It looks as if the designer may be starving the regulator, unless there is more margin than it looks like.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12577552 Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:41:41 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12552689 funchords :
said by frontinus See Profile:

I feel compelled to correct technical inaccuracies in Robb's ("funchords") statements.
Absolutely ... and a sincere thanks!

You are 100% correct about my background and training. I can only state either what I have learned or experienced. Most of what I do in hardware comes from the "experienced" side, and so I heuristically filled in the blanks.

Would you answer some questions for me? (I'm not challenging anything you said -- just seeking to understand).

I notice that display equipment (LCD, whether or not light-emitting) seems to operate visibly slower at 10C than at 35C.

I notice that makers of semiconductors do control temperature, processor speed, and draw -- and that these three things go up and down sympathetically. For example, remove the cooling fan from some chips and, in order to preserve itself, the chip slows down in order to stay cool enough to prevent a catastrophe. Another example would be the power-saving features of some PCs and notebooks do so at the expense of speed. All that to ask this: So am I reading too much into these observations to conclude that they are totally interrelated (and since moderating the two affects the third, perhaps adjusting temperature changes the electrical considerations)?

And I did mean to say Volts instead of Watts or Amps, again only because the consumer industry seems to put more importance on the first. This was counter-intuitive to me too, because it's the latter half that really does the work (as you illustrated with the light-bulb analogy). I think I remember something about there being an inverse relationship amongst two of these three -- but those brain cells are long since gone. Thanks for those equations.

As far as board designers go -- I have no doubt that the designers spec'd this thing out. (I don't know how much to read into the marking on the PCB of +5v-+15v, but it is interesting that it is there on the board.) That's why I'm cautious about advising someone try the higher two-thirds of that range. But there's no way that "wall-wart" puts out even 2.5A as marked! I think that the flaw came after design -- that D-Link's vendor for these power supplies that are not delivering what was asked of them.

Thanks for setting me straight and taking the time to go into the details. I really do appreciate it and welcome it and welcome you to the conversation!

--Robb
--
Robb Topolski

http://www.funchords.com/

Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12552689 Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:50:28 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12545560 frontinus :
said by funchords See Profile:








said by ek1234:

I've used a D-Link 604 for some time now. The device frequently stopped responding and had to be restarted. I noticed that the 604 got very hot. I moved the 604 away from all other heating devices (my cable modem), and made sure it had enough open air around. Did this approx. 6 months ago.

I have had NO problems with the 604 since that day.
Could heating also be a issue for the 624 series?
Heat has been suspected in many other threads as being a source of trouble for the DI-624.

It occurs to me that a cool processor operates slower and therefore requires less voltage (like cars with lower RPMs require less gasoline). After hours of heavy use:
•The heat has pushed up the speed, and thus the power demand
•The processor might require more voltage than the board is providing
•The 5v 2.5A standard D-Link PS might be an attempt to keep the temp low by keeping the power low, but once the temp goes up it won't deliver enough power for the increased demand.
•The processor's heat dissipation is okay at the low end, but doesn't adequately cover the higher end of the range of duty.
I feel compelled to correct technical inaccuracies in Robb's ("funchords") statements. From the links in his post, it appears Robb is a software guy and is aware of some of the concepts and lingo for hardware. I'm a hardware guy in the semiconductor industry, and the hardware and software guys always pick on each other like siblings do. This is one of those times. You should see the teasing between marketing and engineering in this field! Anyway, there is some misinformation in the post and the purpose of my reply is to set the record straight on how hardware works in these routers and in general when it comes to heat issue. If you read his post and don't really care to know more than the fact that processors use power and generate heat, stop reading now. If you are curious, please continue.

First, a little credit is due to Robb on his opening statement. Heat is indeed a reoccurring problem with these routers whether you are talking about D-Link, Linksys, Netgear, etc. The compact size of these routers doesn't allow for a lot of air flow to the processor. As the processor work load increases under increased use, the heat generated goes up and it has to go somewhere or the processor will heat up too. Heat issues can be elusive to track down and reliably solve in an economical manor. Combine that with the tiny development groups in Asia turning all of these routers out on tight budgets and it is no surprise that heat is an issue and causes reliability problems. Yes, if the processor reaches a temperature outside it's designed operating range, it can lockup and hose everything which requires a reboot. As consumers, this consumer class development environment is why our routers only cost $70 while a business class router is priced from the hundreds to the thousands of dollars. Of course, the businesses get more for their money, including capabilities, reliability, and management. Personally, I'd rather pay $125 for a router that works as advertised and didn't have all of these gotchas rather than play this game of which $70 router to gamble on next. Guess what? You won't get that from any of these manufacturers. Back to the issue at hand.

On to the technical details. I'll start with a simplified case. In general, the processors in the routers run at one voltage and one speed. They do not change the voltage supplied by the power supply to the processor. These are really simple power supplies in these cheap boxes (single voltage wall warts). Everything is cheap. So the processor gets a 5V or 3.3V supply off it's motherboard and it stays there. I'll use 3.3V for my examples. What fluctuates is the current draw with the work load on the processor. If the processor is idle, it may only consume a half watt of power, if that, at 3.3V. If it's doing a lot of routing, it may burn 10 watts, but the voltage is still 3.3V. What changes is the current draw. A better analogy is the heat/wattage use of a light bulb. You can all relate to a 25W light bulb generating a lot less heat than a 150 watt light bulb. The 25W bulb uses less current. Both are powered off the same 120V A/C supply in your house. The same analogy goes for wattage and heat generation in a processor. Current draw and heat are related.

Here's your electrical engineering 101 summary:

-Static Power in watts = Voltage * current
(One Watt of power is equal to one ampere of current flow produced by one volt.)

-Processors use transistors that draw current at two times:
(1) dynamically--when switching from 1 to 0 or 0 to 1
(2) unintended leakage when not switching
(this is low in embedded procs, very high on desktops)

-Dynamic power scales linearly with frequency but

-Dynamic power scales by the *square* of voltage

-As the current goes up, so too does the heat

I said in general above because some embedded processors use creative tricks to reduce their total power consumption (and hence, their heat), particularly if they go in battery powered devices. For example, the processors can go into reduced power states where the clock frequency inside the processor is reduced, from 233MHz down to 33MHz (just an example). The board power supply would still be supplying the same 3.3V, but the processor would reduce it's current drain, and hence, the wattage it consumes. Once the processor load goes back up, it would have to resume a higher clock rate and power and heat would increase again. Also, more sophisticated processors can change their internal power rails from what is supplied off the motherboard. Your laptop processors have such a capability. Desktop processors incorporate the technology as well these days. This is different from what Robb was referring to with the board level power supply. So the motherboard continues to supply 3.3V, but internal to the chip, it is possible for the chip to choose a power rail like 1.5V or lower when in low power mode. Note that this capability has *NOTHING* to do with D-Link, Linksys, or anyone plugging this processor into their boards. It's purely dependent on the processor design itself. The router maker picks a wall wart power supply based on the *maximum* current draw of the entire motherboard, period. If they pick a maximum that is unrealistically low, bad things happen (lockups, etc). Generally though, this is an easy number to determine and I'd be surprised if the wall wart power supply picked by a router manufacturer is insufficient. This is low hanging fruit.

phew!

Now that we have the technical realities down, let's address what has been said. After reading all of that, you should now see what is wrong with these quotes:

* "A cool processor operates slower and therefore requires less volatge"
No. The tail does not wag the dog. If it's cooler, it's because it is running slower or at a lower voltage than the other point of comparison, not the other way around. As stated above, these simple routers keep the voltage supplied to the motherboard a constant thanks to the use of a simple, inexpensive wall wart. Designers don't get to explicitly "tell" the chip to operate at a particular temperature. They have to set the knobs (frequency, voltage, cooling solution) that result in a desired operating temperature in the final product.

* "The heat has pushed up the speed and thus the power demand"
No. This is just wrong. The heat does not push up the speed. The speed could be constant and you could get two different temperatures depending on load. It's hotter because it's doing more work and, hence, drawing more current, not the other way around. In semiconductors, heat actually slows down the switching speed of transistors. In the desktop PC world, this is why over-clockers use more aggressive cooling solutions on their CPUs, so that they can keep the CPU cooler, which enables the transistors to switch faster, thereby allowing them to *increase* the processor clock speeds (but that also increases the heat generated-it's a race) and still remain functional and still stay within the chip's thermal operating range. It's all about pumping heat away from the die in an attempt to stay within the acceptable heat limits.

*"The 5v 2.5A standard D-Link PS might be an attempt to keep the temp low by keeping the power low, but once the temp goes up it won't deliver enough power for the increased demand."
No. This is absurd and not how board designers work. A processor only draws as much current as it needs. You could put a 10A supply on there, but if the board only uses a maximum of 3A, then it will never draw more than 3A off the supply. The rest is just unused headroom. Similarly, the processor could have a huge range of current draws depending on the "knobs" set by the designers. The finished board may only draw 2.27A, but you can only get the power supplies in half or quarter volt increments. Good look finding a cheap, odd sized 2.27A power supply. The way it works is the board requires a maximum worst case draw of X amps, and the designers find the cheapest X+y capable power supply that is sufficient for the application, where y is a conservative margin of headroom gained from choosing from one of the standard valued power supplies. If a board designer needs to reduce heat, he has to either change the cooling solution or reduce the frequency or voltage of operation. He would not start starving the parts for power as this is a recipe for instability and failure.

If you think your router is over heating, you can test it real easy. Put it in front of a big fan to jack the air flow over it/through it way up. I mean get stupid and use a 12" table fan to remove every bit of doubt. Or open up the case and do the same if you want to be "daring." Did your problem stop occurring all together? If so, it's heat related. Your choices are gamble on a different router or rig it with a better cooling solution.

Rant over. Class dismissed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12545560 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:19:16 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12541641 anon : peter8: If you're in Ottawa, switch to www.istop.com, same service as Sympatico and much cheaper.

The dropped packets you're seeing are likely from another Sympatico user, not the ISP itself, and the user is likely infected with a worm/virus that's trying to get at your machine (ports 135, 139 and 445 are used for Windows file-sharing). Allowing those packets through is probably a bad idea.

I suspect that the PADT tags stopping was a coincidence.

Andy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12541641 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:30:22 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12535829 anon : I had the same problem. Like you, I am in Ottawa. I use Sympatico. My hardware is a DI-624 Rev C. I get frequent PADT tags, especially after upgrading the firmware (I now have 2.50). This causes the router to drop PPP and disrupts my connections.

Did you turn on "Dropped packets" under Status -> Log -> Log Settings? I did, and I found that, after establishing my PPPoE connection, my router receives a lot of packets at ports 135, 139, 445, and 1025. The packets are dropped by the router's firewall, and therefore show up in the logs. The packets originate from IP addresses that belong to my ISP, e.g., 64.230.178.84 = HSE-Montreal-ppp103771.qc.sympatico.ca.

I do not know what services the ISP expects on ports 135, 139, 445, and 1025. My conjecture is that he is trying to establish some kind of connection, and then re-tries this several times. I am thinking that these failures are maybe the reason the ISP sends the PADT tags and drops PPP.

To test this idea, I have established some new firewall rules under Advanced -> Firewall:

Allow "ISP 445" *,* *,* TCP,445
Allow "ISP 1025" *,* *,* TCP,1025
Allow "ISP 139" *,* *,* TCP,139
Allow "ISP 135" *,* *,* TCP,135

These rules are crude, but they prevent the firewall from dropping the above-mentioned packets. I am not sure what happens to packets the firewall does not drop; presumably they get rejected later by my PC's firewall, or they are returned as undeliverable. But in any case, I think a "rejected" packet is different than a "dropped" one, because in the former case, the originating host gets notified of the failure (as opposed to just timing out).

After I added these rules about an hour ago, I have not seen any more PADT tags. This might be because my problem was solved, or it might be a coincidence.

I suggest that others examine their logs and test this method as appropriate. If this method can be shown to work, then the firewall rules can probably be refined to be more selective.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12535829 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:33:24 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12512884 anon : D-Link 624 C3 Firmware: 2.50

I still get router reboots having Kad ON using the latest eMule despite it is supposed to be fixed by 2.50 firmware. This router rock stable under ed2k load, but Kad makes it go crazy. About 20 reboots in 4 days. I'm WIRED only, 2 PC. First one for eMule only (24/7, no browsing, no extra soft, Win XP SP2), second for browsing e.t.c. (no p2p, Win XP SP2). So ed2k = fine, Kad only = reboot, ed2k+Kad = reboot. I hope it will be fixed finally.

Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12512884 Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:14:08 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12445310 anon : I had a similar problem that I posted further down in the list, and I wanted to point it out to you, since it sounds like the same problem. Every time I disconnected my wired port, I would lose my PPPoE connection. So none of my wireless machines would have internet access. It seems to be a security feature of PPPoE (at least on SBC DSL that I use). Under Control Panel --> Local Area network --> [Properties] --> [Authentication] there is a box for "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentication fot this network". I unchecked this box and now I am able to power down my wired machine without kicking all the wireless machines off-line.

This seems to keep the PPPoE link alive only if this machine is on. I could be completely wrong about all this, since I know nothing about IEEE 802.1x authentication. But it works here.

BTW, I think this box was originally unchecked, but was modified (without my knowledge) by a recent Windows XP service pack.

-- Steve
-- 1/21/05]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12445310 Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:19:32 EDT Re: DI-624 needs a wired connection http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12444478 anon : Robb,

I took your hint and had a peek at the PC side of the network on the wired machine (I guess I was fixated on the D-Link configuration) and saw that the 802.1x authentication box was checked. I unchecked it and this seems to have done the trick.

Incidentally, for anyone else that may have this problem -- and a few posts above appear to have similar symptoms -- I believe this may have been done for me by a recent Windows XP service pack upgrade (thanks guys!).

Thanks again for the tip Robb,

-- Steve
-- 1/21/05]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12444478 Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:36:09 EDT Re: DI-624 needs a wired connection http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12441640 funchords : Hi Steve,

Some of these dsl providers (including AOL's DSL) have a PPPoE protocol agent (either that or PPPoA). It is likely that its that agent that's doing all the work.

Give us a look at the property pages from your network connection on one of these wired machines.
--
Robb Topolski
http://www.funchords.com/
Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12441640 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:20:59 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12437126 Bwuutje : No they do NOT.

They hook up to 10 routers in a row, claim attacks from "a real IANA assigned internet address 192.168.0.101", try every newer version they can find of firmware or drivers at the same time even though they are beta's, claim they don't see the actual 108Mbps throughput, dismiss your well meant educated suggestions beforehand, use foul language, swear at you, etc..etc...etc... :(

Bwuutje.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12437126 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:44:21 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12434864 Talon88 : :::

You guys are funny, The DSL modem or the router
have PPPoE Build-In, Why you need a Wired Computer
to keep alive...? Do you know how to setup your
network eq. properly..?

The router come with some simple network setup
guild, do you read & follow....?

:::
--
[=Talon88=]
»DI-624 Firmware update w/ Crash Recovery Step by S --
»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12434864 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:25:44 EDT Re: DI-624 needs a wired connection http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12432599 anon : To add some more info: the problem is a PPPoE disconnect, and it is unable to reconnect without a wired port being used (!) My wireless machines can still see »192.168.0.1/ (the router), though. And as soon as I turn on a wired machine, PPPoE re-connects and everyone is happy again. A Google turned up a European and Chinese Cisco router with this same bug, allegedly fixed.

-- Steve
-- 1/19/05]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12432599 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:51:19 EDT DI-624 needs a wired connection http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12431926 anon : My DI-624 has been working fine for months, but today I noticed that if I power down my machine on the wired 100 MBsec ethernet port, I lose all my wireless connections. To make this even odder, I had an old Linksys that I dumped because of this very behavior (!) Is there any reason why I should have to leave my wired PC on to keep my wireless connections up?

-- Steve
-- 1/19/05]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12431926 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:47:38 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12430000 anon : I tried to upgrade to 2.50 and couldn't even get into the router gui after.... Finally after trying for hours with tech suport(not much help) I was able to get in and I went back to 2.42 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12430000 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:19:15 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12407186 aarono8 : i got rid of PADT by enabling "connect on demand" and setting idle timeout to 0.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12407186 Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:21:46 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12404316 anon : It may help to delete anything in the Service Name field under WAN, or maybe change it to something your ISP requires.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12404316 Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:39:52 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12404227 anon : if after the firmware update, you can't connect and get padt errors, try deleting the service name in your d-link wan settings. worked for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12404227 Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:29:48 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12404179 anon : try deleting the Service name where you enter your ISP info. sounds stupid but it magically started working for me]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12404179 Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:25:36 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12397619 soch9 : Home->WAN
1. Clone Mac Address
2. Clear the Primary DNS Address & Secondary DNS Address to blanks.
Apply.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12397619 Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:17:27 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12372111 Bwuutje : Well..yes..to some extend I agree.

But to expect that one can learn to understand routing, routing protocols, etc. from a forum....dunno bout that.

And even resetting the router to the manufacturer's defaults and get the settings back to working as before is for some users difficult, looking at some of the posts here...

Bwuutje.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12372111 Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:20:28 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12368728 tquade : As an add on, the worst that can happen is for the router to end up configured in some goofy state. Simple solution is press and hold the reset button and start over again. This stuff has great fiddle value and is probably one of the reasons we are all here.

Lets have fun and share information with the community of interested folks.

Ted]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12368728 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:32:51 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12366850 mjf :
said by Bwuutje See Profile:

Yes. That is a very nice screen ! Very useful for some users.
But CERTAINLY NOT ALL users. Only experienced users who know what they are doing.

But if you have to ask what you can/should do with those 3 screens then you are NOT such a user. If so, then PLEASE STAY AWAY from those 3 screens. And DO NOT CHANGE anything there.

Bwuutje.
And one of the reasons this forum exists. People can come here and ask what to do on that page to obtain desired results.
--
Smile!
Team Discovery]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12366850 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:29:39 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12366311 Bwuutje : Yes. That is a very nice screen ! Very useful for some users.
But CERTAINLY NOT ALL users. Only experienced users who know what they are doing.

But if you have to ask what you can/should do with those 3 screens then you are NOT such a user. If so, then PLEASE STAY AWAY from those 3 screens. And DO NOT CHANGE anything there.

Bwuutje.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12366311 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:25:21 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12363972 tquade : Yes.

»192.168.0.1/adv_firewall.html

enable, allow, src iprange, dest iprange, protocol, port range, schedule

Ted]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12363972 Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:15:38 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12353539 anon : But can you set a range of IPs to be forwarded in the DI-624 Router?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12353539 Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:23:52 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12316321 anon : exactly the same scenario here :(. except in my case the connection can hold for a few hours without problems (but it can interrupt 3 times in 5 minutes too..). i even tried using u.s. robotics drivers for my dsl-520, in my opinion they work better, but i still get disconnected every few hours..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12316321 Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:22:49 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12316173 anon : Nope - I applied the patch to this router and am using it in Australia. It still reboots multiple times per day, sometimes per hour. Seems the fix didn't work properly.

Is anyone else still getting this error?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12316173 Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:18:13 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308208 jawgee : Thanks for the quick response & the link, cyberquotien. That freeware tool looks really cool!

As far as the throughput, I thought I remember testing both ways, but I'll check my notes again when I get home. I'm going to re-run the tests anyway with my discovery of the network slowdown.

Thanks,
jawgee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308208 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:21:38 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308114 cyberquotien : jawgee,

The Task Manager Networking tab is fairly accurate for measuring wireless throughput (assuming Windows XP).

There's also this utility to measure speed, for free:
»www.ixiacom.com/products/perform···_q_check

You should measure speed in both directions before being impressed. I started another thread regarding low uplink speed I'm seeing here, so far one other person has confirmed the same problem:
»DI-624 RevC vs. RevB & wireless uplink performanc]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308114 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:10:11 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308027 cyberquotien : Followup to my prior post...
RE: intermittently poor wireless performance requiring a reboot to restore

I moved the DI-624 back to "access point only" duty, with another box handling Internet routing/nat/etc.

Presto. Wireless performance no longer falls to pieces on a regular basis. Since I had good AP-only performance before 2.50, this may not be a new problem in version 2.50. But it's one that certainly should be fixed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308027 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:00:02 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308015 jawgee : cyberquotien,

Your description of your scenario & problem is dead on with mine. It seems like the trouble started happening when I upgraded to the latest firmware about a month or so ago. Also using a DI-624 in SuperG static turbo mode. I have two wireless clients, a G650 rev. B & a G810, both with the latest US firmwares. I have two or three wired clients connected as well. The slowdown will get so bad that simple network share browsing will take minutes (well maybe a minute) to open up a folder. Once I reboot the router, all is well & everyone is happy again.

I've been thinking about contacting D-Link to see if they can supply me with some info so I can create a script that will reboot the router. I can then schedule that script to run once a day to keep the wireless network fresh. I haven't heard of this specific problem until now, just of general router slowdowns. I will contact D-Link to let them know about it, so that perhaps a fix will be implemented.

Everything else about the hardware has been fabulous! I measured wireless throughput a few months back & averaged 32mbps which I was very pleased with. I should measure it again to see how much it's deteriorated. Do you know of any other way to measure the throughput of a wireless network besides just timing a file transfer?

Thanks,
jawgee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12308015 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:58:12 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12306850 jpetrov : I've upgraded my router to 2.50.

I've installed the update and it solved some of the problems. Now I am on 128bit WEP, SuperG+DynamicTurbo, Auto 10/100 WAN port, XR mode on, Everything has been rock steady now and my non-turbo laptop (Dell D600) cooperates greatly with my Toshiba laptop which has Dell Turbo card as well.. My Dell works at 54mbps in 90% of the time and my router is behind two thick concrete walls - so the upgrade made me happy :)

BUT - paeDisconnect error happens to me as well - only on my laptop (which has Dell TrueMobile Intel 2200BG card installed). My Toshiba coupled with corresponding Dlink card worked perfect - but in order to make the family happy I dropped the higher level of security for now. :)

I am not sure if 2.52b would solve this problem and I am a little hesitant to go to a beta especially when now when everything works. Including emule.

Good luck to you too. (BTW I was using the EU version of the router and this is my second try - the first one went dead only after 12 hrs )

Jovan Petrov]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12306850 Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:40:18 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12290918 Hokie51 : I do not know if this is the same problem or not. I upgraded my DI-624C from 2.24 to 2.50. (I forgot that you lose all settings and passwords but that is another story). Everything seemed to be working fine. However, the next morning I could not connect with the internal wireless card on my Dell Latitude D600. I was running WEP with shared key authentication and the Super G dynamic turbo mode. I changed to open authentication and turned off the Super G turbo mode since I am running only plain G cards. I could then connect. I never had any problems with the wireless connection before this upgrade. I plan to experiment with different settings and see exactly what is causing the problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12290918 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:56:19 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12289825 cyberquotien : I just read all 15 pages of this before posting - didn't see anything like this. At least I'm NOT having the reboot problem.

I used the DI-624 Rev C3 with 2.42 firmware as a WAP only, SuperG with static turbo. There were no stability problems for wireless back then. After upgrading to 2.50 it replaced my DI-604 and now functions as cable router too.

Now, every 1-3 days, I'll get dismal wireless performance and pinging the router shows occasional dropped packets and high ping times, with the minimum ping time at 15 ms as compared to 1 ms normally. There's no performance loss for switch traffic.

When that happens I can still get to the router's web i/f over wireless and I just use the menu to reboot it, and immediately all returns to normal (fast) responses with no dropped packets.

I have no neighbor/interference issues, and am using a DWL-G650 rev C.

Reported this to D-Link tech support, they say they'll look at it. Am I alone in this problem?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12289825 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:48:26 EDT [Info] DI-624C Firmware ver. v2.52.0037 at Swedish http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12287206 Talon88 : :::

[Info] DI-624C Firmware ver. v2.52.0037 at Swedish D-Link

Let's talk Here....

»[Info] DI-624C Firmware v2.52.0037 at Swedish D-Link

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»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12287206 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:04:24 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12279415 Talon88 : :::

If you don't know What DDNS is,
the answer for you is no.... Coz you don't use it.

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»[Info] Some Clue about DI-624 Reboot]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12279415 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:47:31 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12278975 anon : Update to last email.
I systematically went back for about a half an hour and pinged various sites from the msdos prompt and using the di-624 ping utility. I could get to most of the 10 sites I tried, except for ebay and pcworld would time out. Google would give me various times,from 30ms to 90ms. The others seemed pretty consistent. When I went to my browser and put in ebay and pcworld, they did the annoying "looking up..." for about 30 secs and connected. So I went back to the ping utility and it still had timeout for both pcworld and ebay. I don't know if this is normal or not for these sites.

Another question for di-624 owners - do we need to enable the DDNS option under the Tools tab?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12278975 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:55:20 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12278892 anon : The times I have tried it ( I fire up an msdos prompt and ping from there), it seems to go out normally (less than 30ms) to all sites I ping. BTW I am using the DI-624, hardware version C1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12278892 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 04:53:32 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12278852 smurfbleu : can you ping out (externally) when your DNS problem occurs? ... ping www.google.com or 216.239.63.104 when it seems to stall again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12278852 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 04:21:05 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12271936 anon : Has anyone been having the "looking up www.xxx.com", issue where the lookup takes about 30 secs? I have the di-624, firmware 2.5, directly connected, my two other PCs are connected wirelessly. All 3 have the same problem. The problem is random, occurs with IE and Mozilla and Firefox. I have comcast cable modem. I can ping to all my PC's just fine.
I'm using win98, with no software firewall. Only firewall is that provided with DI-624, using WEP, MAC filtering, static ip addressing.

I onced believed it to be a DNS problem because it seems to timeout in trying to resolve host, hitting refresh does not help either. I have tried changing settings on both my PC and in the router in various ways to use different DNS servers without luck. As an example, I can go to google and it comes up instantly, 5min later I can go there and it will wait 30 seconds looking up google.

Aside from this, the router works flawlessly with or without superg with dynamic turbo. My daughter and I play world of warcraft for hours on end without a single disconnect. Anyone have any ideas?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12271936 Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:16:37 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12263352 lucky644 : Well, I was fine for about 1 week, now it's back to rebooting randomly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12263352 Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:18:20 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12250530 virtualmyles9 : with the 2.5 firmware upgrade, it would appear that my hard reboot issue has gone away....

...for now. the router has been working solidly for about a week, so i've still got my fingers crossed.

port forwarding has worked solidly, the DMZ is functioning properly. (i like to put unfirewalled windoze boxes to see how quickly they get slaughtered just for chitz and giggles.)

go ahead- play with an open windows box: 216.231.48.172 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12250530 Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:42:20 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12229405 Loose Wire :
said by s1unruh See Profile:

i'm still getting reboots every 3-4 hours even with Super G turned OFF (as well as turbo of course) and using channel 9 with ssid broadcast off, ssid not default.

could it be a neighbors 2.4ghz phone?
Yes. I have personally experienced this. They got rid of the phone, no more reboots.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12229405 Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:08:11 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12213452 s1unruh : no P2P at all.
the bottom of the unit is not cool, but not very warm either. i have tried everything i can think of. i've even removed the external antenna. i'm gonna try it on its side to see if it might cool the bottom better. if it even needs it. at least with 2.50 it reboots instead of just hanging like 2.42 did.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12213452 Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:27:12 EDT Re: DI-624 / 604 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12212973 funchords :
said by ek1234:

I've used a D-Link 604 for some time now. The device frequently stopped responding and had to be restarted. I noticed that the 604 got very hot. I moved the 604 away from all other heating devices (my cable modem), and made sure it had enough open air around. Did this approx. 6 months ago.

I have had NO problems with the 604 since that day.
Could heating also be a issue for the 624 series?
Heat has been suspected in many other threads as being a source of trouble for the DI-624.

It occurs to me that a cool processor operates slower and therefore requires less voltage (like cars with lower RPMs require less gasoline). After hours of heavy use:
•The heat has pushed up the speed, and thus the power demand
•The processor might require more voltage than the board is providing
•The 5v 2.5A standard D-Link PS might be an attempt to keep the temp low by keeping the power low, but once the temp goes up it won't deliver enough power for the increased demand.
•The processor's heat dissipation is okay at the low end, but doesn't adequately cover the higher end of the range of duty.
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http://www.funchords.com/
Hillsboro, Oregon USA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12212973 Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:47:34 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12205488 anon : No, it is usually some hardware problems as pointed out from other threads of this forum.
2.4Ghz phone usually affects the wireless if they are ~6ft from the antenna. But try to keep the phones away from the antenna anyways to minimize interference.

Check the bottom of your router to see if it's warm-hot, if so, your router might be over-stressed and that might be the reason for the reboot. Are you running any P2P applications in anyway?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12205488 Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:13:00 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12203848 s1unruh : i'm still getting reboots every 3-4 hours even with Super G turned OFF (as well as turbo of course) and using channel 9 with ssid broadcast off, ssid not default.

could it be a neighbors 2.4ghz phone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12203848 Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:23:08 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12202860 Talon88 : :::

I don't See any information you provide really
help those people except just telling them your
router is working. This can't help them
at all..........

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With one 624, I ran fw 2.50 and only problem was with the UPNP Enabled I could not always pull-up the G310’s menu and the print server was receiving a DHCP assigned IP even though I had Manual IP set. Tech Support advised disabling UPNP and that resolved the problem.

With addition of second 624 (setup as AP not router) and Belkin (in AP mode) I had a problem with some type of interference that seemed related to Fw 2.50 on the second 624 -- at times all the Port LEDs on all 3 APs that had a client connected would blink very fast and continue to do so until I refreshed a menu setup page on either of the 624s. Tech support didn’t have a solution for this, except to revert to 2.42. I kept 2.50 on the first 624 (Router) and reverted to Fw 2.42 on the second 624 (AP mode) and everything works fine.

Bottom Line: I am happy with the DI-624 and do recommend it. My LAN may be a tad more complex than many and I push the performance & configuration envelopes a lot, as result I have done a lot of troubleshooting and tweaking. I’m impressed with the 624 and the Belkin as well. From my observations, the Belkin has a stronger signal over distance. The 624 has a wider set of features, such as Remote Management (I’ll need that to remotely managed the 624 that my daughter will have in another city) for example.

Joe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12194669 Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:19:30 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12194249 Max2 : VBB,
ANomi hasn't helped anyone with their DI-624 problems, just posts pure BS. Ask him to provide you with his configuration before you buy. In the past he's posted a modified photo with a toy car mounted on the top. The modified photo, LED lights added, didn't include the power ON LED, which is a real expression of his depth of knowledge. If you read the user reviews on (www.cnet.com ) 68% positive and 32 % negative for the DI-624. In other words, if you buy the DI-624 you have a one in three opportunity to buy junk. My DI-624 degraded after 3 months of use and others have reported 10 months before degraded performance. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12194249 Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:48:17 EDT Re: DI-624 Rev C - FINAL firmware 2.50 on US site! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12193826 anon : I recommend you buy the DI-624 C3 directly from D-link's website. I have had zero problems. It is a rock solid stable router that if you leave it alone and don't mess with it, it will give you top notch performance.

I forward ports all the time - ZERo Problems.

I Never have to power cycle it.

I transfer files that are GIGs in size from wired to wi