Re: Hmmmm......... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12675815 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:53:36 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:53:36 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12714522 slimpickinz : It did not catch Cydoor...hmmmm, have you updated definitions lately....
Look here, as an experiment, I installed exeem and here are the results...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12714522 Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:44:32 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12679450 ZOverLord : I have recently added a NEW topic on the LavaSoft Board.

Title: List Of recently De-Listed Items

»www.lavasoftsupport.com/index.ph···ic=59051

Lets see what the response is, in case it is DELETED, here was the POST

"Would it NOT be an Ethically correct thing for the REASEARCH team at this point to be able to provide a LIST of De-Listed Items removed from the TAC and also stating what POINTS were decreased.

say from: 12/16/04 - 02/05/05

Could there also in the future be a NON-TAC list which would show what the current TAC points are compared to when the ITEM was listed in the TAC so that people could see WHY ITEMS were downgraded.

In each release forward, can the detail not only include ADDED items but removed ITEMS as well.

If NOT WHY?"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12679450 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:32:41 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12679416 Combat Chuck :
said by B See Profile:

Wrong, not all installations of WhenU are that clear
Examples?
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Spybot still works that way. Of course, they are by no means comprehensive.

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want to know what I'm doing? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12679217 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:07:20 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12679016 ZOverLord : There is a near 2 percent decrease in the defs file size, which is NOT because of compression, so WhenU is just the TIP of the Iceberg.

For more detail go here:

»ASW Vendors in La-La Land

What is so complicated for Lavasoft to NOT be able to provide a LIST of RECENTLY De-Listed items?

Sounds real EASY too me, WhenU is One, WHAT are the others?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12679016 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:46:22 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12678363 BonezX :
said by Viper007Bond See Profile:

Same goes for me as well.

I've been relying on Microsoft's lately actually. It caught the Cydoor that came with eXeem while Ad-Aware did not.
same deal with cydoor, S&D caught it when i scanned, but ad-aware didn't and it usially picks up on data miners.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12678363 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:37:23 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677665 B :
Wrong, not all installations of WhenU are that clear, and it's remarkably premature to remove them from Ad-Aware's database.

If you see no value in antispyware software (which is exactly what I gather from your statement), then so be it. Because EVERY current piece of spyware makes a claim that its users consented. Your position seems to support theirs.

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677665 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:27:56 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677620 Freegoo : His main point is that people are overreacting to this.

He's right.

It doesn't stealth install - you click "Yes, please install whenU spyware" - and removal is as simple as running add/remove. Where's the beef?

Some of the chicken little responses and acusations are mildly amusing, and makes me wonder how these people get through life without stroking out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677620 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:21:54 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677179 B :
Well, they HAVE. They've at times removed malware remote control trojans that went "legitimate" with a commercial version, e.g. NetBus Pro.

I don't know if they still do this, but it has more to do with liability than with pay-offs.

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677179 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:33:24 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12677151 King P : I've always used Ad-Aware and Spybot. This does make me scratch my head about Ad-Aware. If Anti-Spyware companies start doing this (removing known spyware from it's definitions) then what is to keep Norton or McAfee from doing the same thing with Virus definitions? I guess big money always talks loudest...
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said by chodemode:

Paranoia breeds mistrust.
Make up your mind, anonymous. Is trust "garbage" or vital to any relationship involving humans? You make no sense, and you are clearly excusing EVERY bit of spyware we've seen, with all the same old excuses. Whom do you work for?

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In a realm outside causality and function]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12676641 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:39:47 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12676088 anon : Am I the only one here who thinks this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion? It was made quite clear yesterday that WhenU is not "malicious" software.

WhenU is installed BY CHOICE by the user AFTER reading (or being given the opportunity to read) the EULA terms, which clearly explain what the software does. Furthermore, the software may be removed by the user at any time via Add/Remove Programs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending WhenU or any type of adware. But I think you people are taking this way too far...talking about "trust" and all this garbage. Users need to take some responsibility and stop relying on various "security" software companies to hold your hand every minute that you use your PC. If you have WhenU (or any other adware for that matter) on your PC, it's most likely because YOU were given a choice to install it, and you chose to install it. Don't turn around and get all fired up at Lavasoft/PestPatrol for following the same procedures they have been following for years. Threats are added and removed from these companies' databases every day. Oddly nobody seemed to care until WhenU was removed...and what makes WhenU a special case still baffles me.

It's almost comical that people are chucking Adaware over this. Do you have any idea how less secure your PC is without Adaware or PestPatrol? Do you really thing Aluria is going to offer better protection (Aluria actually does have a marketing agreement with WhenU, Lavasoft does not...and Aluria is ADWARE SUPPORTED!)?

The ignorance is astounding. Educate yourselves. Protect your own PC, don't rely on someone else to do it for you. No one adware-scanner is going to detect every trace of adware. The best strategy is to use multiple scanners, and PAY ATTENTION to what you are installing. WhenU is installed by choice.

Alarmism will get you nowhere. Paranoia breeds mistrust. Wake up people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12676088 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:34:44 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12675815 Buddel :
said by Plldwnyrpnts See Profile:

I won't be chucking it. I'll just consider it less reliable. And as always, it will not be the only scanner I use.
Yep!:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12675815 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:59:36 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12675605 PhoenixDown : Sad,... I really liked using ad-aware. Time to look up alternatives that offer a complete unbiased package.
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I've been relying on Microsoft's lately actually. It caught the Cydoor that came with eXeem while Ad-Aware did not.
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said by Plldwnyrpnts See Profile:

I won't be chucking it. I'll just consider it less reliable. And as always, it will not be the only scanner I use.
Same here. Pretty sad though and duly noted for future reference and recommendations to others.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12675521 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:17:43 EDT Re: Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12675496 Plldwnyrpnts : I won't be chucking it. I'll just consider it less reliable. And as always, it will not be the only scanner I use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12675496 Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:13:40 EDT Hmmmm......... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12675482 woody7 : "First and foremost, Lavasoft does not have collaborations with any company that has or will have content detected by Ad-Aware. WhenU was indeed removed from our database by research in the last definition file. This was due to WhenU not scoring more than 2 TAC points at the time. In case it turns out that the removal was incorrect, WhenU will naturally be reintroduced to the database."
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so they say......I'm going to chuck it anyway
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