"definitions" -- but see 180's current practices in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12619630 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:40:08 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:40:08 EDT BEWARE, Reidster is from 180Solutions!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12631064 BIGHUSKER :
said by Reidster:

Have any of you actually taken the time to understand the difference between spyware and legitimate software? Or do you all just sit here and rant about things you don't understand and have never actually investigated yourselves? Spyware sucks - and COAST was helping rid the world of it by actually creating definitions and standards for what really is spyware. Use your brains before you start ranting about stuff you don't understand. COAST was a legit organization that added real value to the world and had very high standards. A little education never hurt anyone. But I guess none of you would know that.
Nice try 180 shill, but your scumbag identity has been found out - »/whois/206.169.156.1

Your piece of crap company does not offer legitimate software, and I remove it from *every* computer I have access to. It spies on your browsing habits and forces unwanted ads onto your system...that's all there is to it. The only reason it ever gets installed is because it comes bundled with software or people don't know what they're getting into when they click the "Yes I want to install this!" button.

I know more about spyware and computer security then you could ever hope to. Go back to your minimum wage job as a scumbag shill for 180Solutions. You are completely worthless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12631064 Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:48:17 EDT "definitions" -- but see 180's current practices http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12619630 bedelman : Reidster, it's all well and good to defend the need for definitions and standards. Who can argue with that?

But the problems here don't step from COAST's creation of definitions and standards.

Some of the problems:

1) Certifying a known bad actor, that has been documented to profit from a number of deceptive installation methods. See e.g. my web site showing installation through security holes ( »www.benedelman.org/news/111804-1.html )

2) Accepting payment for such certification.

3) Issuing certification, and allowing such certificiation to be publicized, even before improved/reformed procedures begin to be implemented, such that the public (and even COAST members) have slim to no basis on which to assess the correctness of the certification.

(Special notes on my web site: It's down, at present, due to a major DDoS attack. Will be back up tomorrow, I hope/expect.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12619630 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:10:15 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12618373 wmcbrine : It really doesn't take a lot of time. It's pretty simple. I know it when I see it, and so do you. Call it "adware" instead of "spyware", if you like; it makes no difference. It's junkware, and it doesn't belong on my computer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12618373 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:38:04 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12616418 anon : Have any of you actually taken the time to understand the difference between spyware and legitimate software? Or do you all just sit here and rant about things you don't understand and have never actually investigated yourselves? Spyware sucks - and COAST was helping rid the world of it by actually creating definitions and standards for what really is spyware. Use your brains before you start ranting about stuff you don't understand. COAST was a legit organization that added real value to the world and had very high standards. A little education never hurt anyone. But I guess none of you would know that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12616418 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:16:49 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12615814 Thaler : Somehow this entire 180 turnaround on crapware installs reminds me of the "I Can Change" song, from the South Park movie.

Sorry, but I really have a hard time trusting a company who one day was focused on crapping up my computer, and the next "trying" to safeguard it. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12615814 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:04:40 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12614093 ScottMo : According to the press release:
"180solutions has passed a lengthy and rigorous review process
demonstrating their commitment to develop and distribute spyware-free
applications," said Trey Barnes, executive director of COAST. "By making
substantial modifications to its software, and working with channel partners
to distribute only the modified versions of its products in the future, the
company has demonstrated its desire to adhere to COAST's high level of
standards. We are pleased to welcome them as a new developer member."

So it appears that 180 wants to do a 180 and not crap-up people's computers. Personally, I have a difficult time believing them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12614093 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:47:22 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12613768 AtomicZero :
said by technick See Profile:

How and Why did 180Solutions get accepted into COAST? That is kind of like having a anti-terrorism organization, and putting Bin Laden on the board of directors. WTF guys, that is sooo freaking retarded. I wonder what type of people actually run these groups now.


Money Talks...never underestimate the power of a couple mil.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12613768 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:08:37 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12613409 mkbaird : Yep, mammon is always pretty inticing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12613409 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:16:49 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12613224 footballdude :
said by technick See Profile:

How and Why did 180Solutions get accepted into COAST? That is kind of like having a anti-terrorism organization, and putting Bin Laden on the board of directors.
Or like putting Sudan on the panel for human rights. Oh, wait, that really happened.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12613224 Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:50:12 EDT Re: Help Me Understand http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12613188 cork1958 :
said by technick See Profile:

How and Why did 180Solutions get accepted into COAST? That is kind of like having a anti-terrorism organization, and putting Bin Laden on the board of directors. WTF guys, that is sooo freaking retarded. I wonder what type of people actually run these groups now.


Probably donated some cash!! :p
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