Re: limited newsgroup usage in

Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:18:32 EDT

DadeMurphy : I know that in my area Cable is less of a crap shoot than DSL.

Verizon DSL in Danvers is notorious for their lack of uptime and constant crap pings.

With comcast I get stable pings and stable speeds, as does all my friends that live throughout the town.

My only issue was when Comcast upgraded to QAM 256 from QAM 64 and I had to throw a splitter on my line to stabilize the signal levels.
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Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:41:13 EDT

deblin : What part of "it varies" am I not clearly communicating? No matter how many people report that it works great for them (or not), the fact remains that cable is a crap shoot. Thank you for proving my point. Nowhere did I say it was bad in all areas. And in heavily populated areas, some of the local cable companies go the extra mile (no pun intended) to "split nodes" or mitigate congestion. But many areas (mine notoriously) do not. Sucks for me, but luckily I have DSL available. Some in my area aren't so lucky.
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Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:34:27 EDT

anon : I have Cable Internet and there are a lot of people in my area that do. I have No problimes with Comcast. It is faster that Qwest's DSL Service. It also helped when AT&T Broadband upgraded our area, they put power boosters in when they first started with the upgrade to help with the problem.

Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:52:51 EDT

Deathsadvoca : its about the invisible caps you hit on comcast's network. apparently they think thats a + (at least to there bottom line).

Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:28:29 EDT

Voyager2K2 : TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.3.3a
click START to begin
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 735.92Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 2.90Mb/s
Your PC is connected to a Cable/DSL modem

click START to re-test

That's me 24/7/365.
Unlimited newsgroup 7-10 days retention/completion/speed as good as the big boys an added $14.95/mo value included.
VOL DSL and FIOS is on the way this year in my area.

Re: guess again

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:12:25 EDT

gamer999 : since the upgrade i get 4236/365 and it's usually the same all the time sorry that your conncection sucks...

Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:34:03 EDT

deblin : You can't tell just by how many of your neighbors have it. You have no idea how Comcast has their node structure organized.

ping yahoo.com 25 times in a row and look at the ping fluxuations. Mine used to be horrible, with spikes during the night up in the triple digits. Makes for crappy performance in real-time applications and gaming.


$ tracert www.dslreports.com
 
Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.1
  2    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  adsl-66-218-55-1.dslextreme.com [66.218.55.1]
  3    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  f0-1-1.cr1.sjc1.dslextreme.com [66.218.44.57]
  4    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  GigabitEthernet4-3.GW2.SJC7.ALTER.NET [157.130.241.237]
  5    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  POS4-0.XR1.SJC7.ALTER.NET [152.63.51.46]
  6    12 ms    11 ms    11 ms  POS5-0.XR1.SJC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.52.133]
  7    11 ms    12 ms    12 ms  0.so-0-0-0.XL1.SJC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.55.114]
  8    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  0.so-3-0-0.TL1.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.53.250]
  9    78 ms    79 ms    78 ms  0.so-1-2-0.TL1.NYC9.ALTER.NET [152.63.10.77]
 10    78 ms    78 ms    78 ms  0.so-5-0-0.XL1.NYC9.ALTER.NET [152.63.0.174]
 11    78 ms    79 ms    80 ms  POS6-0.GW1.NYC9.ALTER.NET [152.63.99.177]
 12    80 ms    80 ms    80 ms  nac-nj-oc12-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.60.182]
 13    81 ms    81 ms    80 ms  0.ge-0-0-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.49]
 14    81 ms    80 ms    80 ms  www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
 
Trace complete.

Granted, this is during the day so your numbers may be better than they would at night when more people are on and people have their TVs on and whatnot.

Look at the variance even now in your tracert. Not really anything bad at all, but I would regularly see all hops with variations of 50ms or more. In your case, either your neighbors are light users, or there are multiple nodes in your area, reducing the load at the aggregation point.

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Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:05:46 EDT

dadkins : ALL of my neighbors *Do* have Comcast. DSL @ 384k down for $69.99 per month is not an option. DSL is also area/distance dependant! My pings to DSLR:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\David Adkins>tracert www.dslreports.com

Tracing route to dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 1 ms 3 ms 192.168.0.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 21 ms 19 ms 29 ms 12.244.97.97
4 14 ms 14 ms 10 ms 12.244.67.86
5 24 ms 13 ms 9 ms 12.127.32.65
6 10 ms 12 ms 12 ms tbr1-p012301.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.13.173]
7 52 ms 52 ms 53 ms tbr1-cl1.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.10.5]
8 76 ms 74 ms 71 ms tbr1-cl1.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.10.1]
9 71 ms 72 ms 70 ms gar1-p3100.nwrnj.ip.att.net [12.123.214.181]
10 74 ms 71 ms 72 ms att-gige.esd1.nwr.nac.net [12.119.140.26]
11 71 ms 71 ms 71 ms 3.ge-3-0-0.gbr2.nwr.nac.net [209.123.11.189]
12 72 ms 71 ms 74 ms 0.so-0-3-0.gbr1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.233]
13 87 ms 74 ms 74 ms www.dslreports.com [209.123.109.175]

Trace complete.
Works for me.
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Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:57:46 EDT

anon : Um... if it's not about the speed... then what in the world is it about???

The portal? - nope

The Email - Nope

The wonderful; helpful; kind; courtious and knowledgable technical support - Nope

The Competitive prices for speeds - nope.

The ability for a provider to charge more than it's worth - YUP :D

Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:52:01 EDT

deblin :

said by dadkins :

running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 371.88Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 4.08Mb/s

...rather consistantly, any time of the day - any day of the week. YMMV.

That's exactly the problem. Cable is a crap shoot. In my neighborhood, before DSL was available, everyone had Comcast since it was the only option. It was horrid. 200ms pings, fluxuating speeds, long periods of down time, etc. My friend on the other side of town (close to a CO where DSL was readily available) used to have ZERO problems. That's my beef with cable, you NEVER know what you're going to get. And it go down the toilet at any time. If 10 of your neihgbors all the sudden decide to get cable, you may be SOL.
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Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:49:54 EDT

rockinturbo : Most of the town will be done at the end of 2005

(scheaduled)ft.wayne newhaven and wayndale

Re: limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:32:47 EDT

dadkins : 3/768? From Comcast? If you are still getting 3mbps, then your upload is 256k. If you either have the speed upgrade or the $10.00 extra without the upgrade, it's 4mbps/384k. If you have the $10.00 extra *AND* the upgrade, it's 6mbps/768.

I have the $10.00 extra without the upgrade(yet) and get:

TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.2.1e
click START to begin
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 371.88Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 4.08Mb/s

...rather consistantly, any time of the day - any day of the week. YMMV.

As to FIOS, maybe in a few *YEARS*, Verizon will decide to make it's way to my area... but by then, Comcast will likely have me to 10mbps.
Keep in mind, FIOS is in a VERY limited deployment. In the 3-5 years it will take Verizon to reach most of us, and if doesn't choke, there will probably be other players in the Fiber playground.

I'm not holding my breath.
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limited newsgroup usage

Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:06:55 EDT

rockinturbo : "We like to say that it’s not just the speed, but what you can do with it," suggests an Indiana Comcast spokesman "
comcrap has limited newsgroup think 1-2 gigs a month.

3/256 that slows down when more people are on it the week ends are terrible.yeah I'd say they can compete with FIOS 5/2 (the slowest speed) maybe this guy has drifted down the street to the rock (bar down the street from there ft. Wayne office)for his lunch to many time.If he actually thinks comcast has been providing the same thing for the last 6 years.
edited because I just woke up and typed 768 instead of 256.was thinking of my old roadrunner tele worker acount in Ohio.