Re: So? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12475580 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:57:28 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:57:28 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12485852 noone1 :
said by JTRockville See Profile:


Other countries did give more than us! So if we'd given nothing, the rest of the would would have compensated. Sure, we gave a lot. But we need to keep our generosity in perspective.

Just a hunch, but I don't think the rest of the world believes they're as indebted to us, as we'd like to think. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the world "cut us off".
1. In the first critical two weeks, it was the US military that shouldered the burden. Let me get this through to you, no other country in the world has the capacity to do what we did in the first two weeks. It required a sinlge, unified force that was already cohesive, not a small force from multiple countries with different training, languages, tactics, command chains, radio frequences, etc. There is/are no country(ies) that could have compensated.
2. I never said we were the most generous for this one event, I said we are, by the far, most generous overall.
3. The rest of the world has cut us off, they are either indifferent or like leaches to us.
"Nations do not have friends, they have interests." DeGaulle
There is nothing wrong with point three. You can please some of the people, some of the time, but you cant please all of the people, all of the time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12485852 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:00:02 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12485181 JTRockville :
said by noone1 See Profile:

said by JTRockville See Profile:



Even with our recently updated total of $650 (military+dollars), we were third. If we compare our per capita contribution to that of other countries, I doubt we'd come out that high. I'm not trying to diminish our contribution, but we weren't the most generous.
How is it your are not diminishing our contributions? The whole per capita misinformation typical of the wealth redistributionists is completely about trying to -minimize- what our government and people have given in an attempt to say "They gave more then you."
Other countries did give more than us! So if we'd given nothing, the rest of the would would have compensated. Sure, we gave a lot. But we need to keep our generosity in perspective.

Just a hunch, but I don't think the rest of the world believes they're as indebted to us, as we'd like to think. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the world "cut us off".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12485181 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:50:02 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12484869 Kearnstd : the ISP had a hosting contract with this website, by closing the site that didnt violate their TOS they are in breach of contract. the US government cant end private contracts far as im concerned in the ISP should have told the feds to go F themselves and come back with a court order.
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said by JTRockville See Profile:


Even with our recently updated total of $650 (military+dollars), we were third. If we compare our per capita contribution to that of other countries, I doubt we'd come out that high. I'm not trying to diminish our contribution, but we weren't the most generous.
How is it your are not diminishing our contributions? The whole per capita misinformation typical of the wealth redistributionists is completely about trying to -minimize- what our government and people have given in an attempt to say "They gave more then you."
You said prior...
said by JTRockville See Profile:

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Kinda dwarfs the US contribution, eh?

My guess is, "the rest of the world" would get along just fine without the US.
Again, you are trying to diminish our contributions by saying "the rest of the world would get along fine without the US." The $550 to $650 mill from the US gov and people does -not- include the millitary assistance of over 12,000 personnel, 21 ships, and multitude of cago planes and helicopters. Also, 20% or so of the cost the UN is facing with the effort is paid for by our country.

Also, lets add some perspective here. Simple fact, more dollars flow out of the US for outside aid, education, housing, food, etc to outside countries (beyond disaster help) then the top 10 nations combine. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12482184 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:24:36 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12482010 footballdude :
said by Thaler See Profile:

Blowing the s*** outta them first-hand (target and civilian alike, what's the diff?) seems to be just as effective as negotiations.
It's completely impossible to negotiate with someone who's goal is to kill you and create a world Islamic government. Look at how all of the negotiations with Arafat went. Nothing but lip service while the bombs just kept coming. There's only two choices now, sit back and wait for the next nutjob to kill ten thousand people at a ball game or try to wipe out the conditions that turned them into nutjobs in the first place. At least now the freaks are fighting our soldiers instead of taking potshots at our citizens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12482010 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:00:55 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12481910 trebzon :
said by noone1 See Profile:

said by Thaler See Profile:


said by AtomicZero See Profile:



said by Sean See Profile:




You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.
huh?
And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. :D
ROTFL
Oh thats good:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12481910 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:48:09 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12481300 JTRockville :
said by pnh102 See Profile:

You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day.
We weren't the only country to contributed people, equipment, and money.

Even with our recently updated total of $650 (military+dollars), we were third. If we compare our per capita contribution to that of other countries, I doubt we'd come out that high. I'm not trying to diminish our contribution, but we weren't the most generous.

I certainly wouldn't advocate that other countries "cut us off", but like aSic See Profile, it wouldn't surprise me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12481300 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:10:37 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12481224 moonpuppy :
said by Thaler See Profile:

said by AtomicZero See Profile:


said by Sean See Profile:



You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.
huh?
And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. :D
And who is the patron saint of the internet? Or did Bill Gates "donate" for that right? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12481224 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:52:00 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480708 Thaler :
said by idledsl See Profile:

We know human rights and religious tolerance???
Ask any freedom loving, tax paying, gay American.
A group totally being denied religious freedom.
I thought we were just denying them tax breaks, adoption in certain states, and promoting bible-thumping persecution? Religion, however, isn't something that's currently being denied. Sure, there are certain sects of religion that would sooner pin you to the cross than let you worship, but there are more accepting chapters in most any popular religion today.

I personally feel like anyone should be allowed into any religious observation who really wants to be there, but of course my own personal opinion means didly squat when the person in charge wants to plaster "NO QUEERS" to their chapel/temple/kiosk/etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480708 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:34:50 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480699 zoom314 :
said by idledsl See Profile:

We know human rights and religious tolerance???
Ask any freedom loving, tax paying, gay American.
A group totally being denied religious freedom.
It's a lot better here than in like say Saudi Arabia, Where being Gay will get Your head chopped off. And I said Religious Tolerance, Gays are treated badly cause of bigotry, I'm not Gay at all and cause I'm not married and have no kids some when I was Younger thought I was, I like women very much. But what women would want a nearly 400lb. guy with arthritis, joint problems, anxiety and concentration problems? Heck We know what the NAZI Party did to Jews, Gays and the Disabled in WWII, They were all either Gassed or burned alive in buildings or shot....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480699 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:31:43 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480671 anon : guantanamo.... that sums it up 8)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480671 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:21:18 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480632 idledsl : We know human rights and religious tolerance???
Ask any freedom loving, tax paying, gay American.
A group totally being denied religious freedom.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480632 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:07:08 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480504 Thaler : That would be the 9th day, when it was discovered that we needed little blue pills to properly enjoy our new-found internet glories. ^_^]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480504 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:17:28 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480397 AtomicZero :
said by Thaler See Profile:

And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. :D
I thought it was Bob Dole? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480397 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:45:05 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480258 click_310 : Hmmm Edison made light bulbs ... lets prevent people from using them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480258 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:18:05 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480221 claudeo : As far as I understand, the $650 million does include the military contributions. And probably some will be expended through contracts to the usual defense contractors.

Back to the main topic, historically freedom has been promoted by promoting the channels of free speech, not by shutting them down. This looks like a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480221 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:12:27 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480203 jsouth : Seems to me you spoke too soon. The US is going to double their contributions up to around $650 million in aid.

»www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/0···dex.html

That plus the military contributions put any countries efforts to shame.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12480203 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:07:56 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12479778 zoom314 :
said by crazediamond See Profile:

Iran complaining about the US breaching human rights, that's a good one.

Pot calling the kettle black? :p
The iranian imans can go stuff It down a black hole, After all We know of Human Rights and Religious Tolerance, They don't know the meaning of the phrase nor practice, They do know terrorism and aren't to be trusted, As that government would Lie like a Persian rug, and that's what rugs do, They lie flat. As a government iran is a failure and They know It. Sure We did back the Shah, But backing someone doesn't mean We approved of what the person did that was wrong(Mostly ignorant about any torture, possibly), Khomeini was wrong about the West as the Western world wasn't His enemy or even evil, Just different and as such does not deserve to be hated. But from what I've seen on TV and read online This seems to be the attitude of part of the Muslim world, That intolerance/lies is the way to spread Islam, Usually by force, As that was how northern Africa was converted to Islam, By Jihad as in Convert or Die. The radicals in Islam would vaporize whole cities in the West or the Far East If They had Nuclear weapons and Osama Bin Laden I think has said as much. Do I hate Muslims? No. Am I a Muslim? No. Do I think Islam needs to grow up and stop being a being a brat? Yes. Is Osama Bin Laden a Freedom Fighter? No. He's a mass murderer, Yet in the Muslim world He's a celebrity/hero now as that is how They see Him as and They think New York, Washington DC & PA was a Jewish conspiracy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12479778 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:05:45 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12479412 claudeo :
said by pnh102 See Profile:

You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling.
If you did not see them it is because you were only watching US TV and only reading US newspapers. Duh.
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said by pnh102 See Profile:

You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day.
Actualy, there were several county's militaries that did help out, just thier numbers were very small but usualy highly train specialists. Most militaries, as a whole, are not as professional as the US nor do they have the heavy lift capablities nor the dollar resources. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12479064 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:51:46 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12479005 pnh102 : You are 100% correct, without our troops again making the sacrifice to go and get all the other aid flowing many more people would be dying because of the disaster. You didn't see any other countries step up and actually put the men and women on the ground who could get the ball rolling. Again, we save the day.
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said by JTRockville See Profile:

"The rest of the world" responded quite generously to the most recent major natural disaster.

Australia: $764 million
Germany: $661 million
Japan: $500 million

Kinda dwarfs the US contribution, eh?

My guess is, "the rest of the world" would get along just fine without the US.
And how much did the US military spend in helping move aid and in rescue missions, etc? If you put a price tag on that, it alone would dwarf all of the formentioned contributions; let alone the dollars we gave out in government and private donations and no other country in the world has the ability to react as quickly as we did. Simple fact, more dollars flow out of the US for outside aid, education, housing, food, etc to outside countries (beyond disaster help) then the top 10 nations combine. Yet this might change, the US is turning isoltionistic, and the perceived (probably justifiably) thanklessness and near slander by many is not helping. The rest of the world would not get along just fine if the US closed up and became ultra isolationists. In fact, the world economy would collapse into utter ruin. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12478919 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:40:23 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12478806 noone1 :
said by Thaler See Profile:

said by AtomicZero See Profile:


said by Sean See Profile:



You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.
huh?
And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. :D
ROTFL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12478806 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:30:37 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12478370 JTRockville :
said by pnh102 See Profile:

said by aSic See Profile:

it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/
Let them try, we'll see how well "the rest of the world" responds to the next major natural disaster.
"The rest of the world" responded quite generously to the most recent major natural disaster.

Australia: $764 million
Germany: $661 million
Japan: $500 million

Kinda dwarfs the US contribution, eh?

My guess is, "the rest of the world" would get along just fine without the US.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12478370 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:51:00 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12478086 morbo :
said by IGGY See Profile:

Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value. If we are truly wanting to help others have freedom.
we have a winner!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12478086 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:18:32 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12477749 Thaler :
said by AtomicZero See Profile:

said by Sean See Profile:


You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.
huh?
And lo, on the 8th day, God said, "I need pr0n and warez," and he smote his keyboard thusly...and the internet was created, and it was good. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12477749 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:40:52 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12477296 Vvian Kalyss : No, because the owners of such tools really couldn't give a fuck. Sure, sympathy for what's going on. But it doesn't really affect them, aside from insults hurled during CS frag sessions. Think Joe Pirate gives a shit about politics? No freakin' way. Keep the data coming, and keep offline issues out of my sight.
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said by Sean See Profile:

You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.
huh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12477108 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:34:09 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476968 Sean :
said by ropeguru See Profile:

People seem to have forgottenthe history of the Internet and the fact it was created by the U.S. Department of Defense.
You can't really say the internet was "created," it was discovered. It was always there.. we just couldn't use it.

Besides, just cause the telephone was created by a Canadian (yes, I think Canada deserves the pride for Bell's telephone), doesn't mean we own the telephony technology.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476968 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:24:01 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476876 Thaler :
said by pnh102 See Profile:

said by Thaler See Profile:

Diplomacy also has the side benefit of not leaving all the really messy hard-to-wash-out stains all over the countryside that you're currently "liberating". Just a small benefit. :D
It also has the teensy-weensy little problem of being completely and totally ineffective at stopping terrorists and protecting the USA.
I have yet to see the proof in the pudding on that one. Blowing the s*** outta them first-hand (target and civilian alike, what's the diff?) seems to be just as effective as negotiations.

With communications, you'd have relative peace with the occasional nutjob slipping in to mess things up, and causing bad times. With this current regime, we're just slowly and steadily feeding our armed forces into the meat grinder for the appearance of relative peace now. Even with the troops sacrificing themselves in the wrong place, it doesn't really bring me any security here at home. What's to stop another nutmeg from pulling off another stunt with our crippled non-communications of "intelligence" departments?

Our trousers have been down around our ankles ever since 9/11, and nobody seems intent on picking them up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476876 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:16:00 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476680 crazediamond : Iran complaining about the US breaching human rights, that's a good one.

Pot calling the kettle black? :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476680 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:57:30 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476606 AtomicZero :
said by IGGY See Profile:



Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value.
In this particular instance, I'll have to admit, I am very ambivalent. From the business and pragmatic point of view, I say yes. Block them off, and frankly THEY ARE NOT SUFFERING!!! they just don't have access to certain sites. Any [wo]man with half a purpose in life will be able to circumvent that, and if they can't well tough cookies because for right now for our national security we can have people sending terrorist memos to each other [any ideas on how O'sama kept in touch with his kamikaze pilots?] So I am for cutting it...but obviously not permanently, we would need to find a solution fast. However, babies aren't gonna die from it so let's not go elevating the situation to levels that simply don't warrant it. What next the PANDEMIC issue of their kids receiving last years gameboy?

We should censor all forms of media? How do we know that if these people were able to gain host elsewhere. That we still wouldn't be blocked from reading the content?
America's been censoring media since DAY 1, personally I don't agree with it - when people die they leave dead bodies...and btw women have breasts- However, the US govt's alleged involvement in this situation would not be for censorship reason's it is a matter of supposed safety.

What I am wary of is what type of precedent does this establish, and if such practices were applied externally, will they gradually move inward? The repercussions of shutting down certain domestic sites for being deemed too inflammatory or threatening would be alarming]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476606 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:51:29 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476531 pnh102 :
said by Thaler See Profile:

Diplomacy also has the side benefit of not leaving all the really messy hard-to-wash-out stains all over the countryside that you're currently "liberating". Just a small benefit. :D
It also has the teensy-weensy little problem of being completely and totally ineffective at stopping terrorists and protecting the USA.
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said by pnh102 See Profile:

said by Thaler See Profile:

Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days.
Diplomacy is overrated.
Diplomacy also has the side benefit of not leaving all the really messy hard-to-wash-out stains all over the countryside that you're currently "liberating". Just a small benefit. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476334 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:29:02 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476256 Kompressor : I have zero tolerance for terrorists and those who help them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476256 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:23:10 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12476198 IGGY : Maybe this is an issue because we are being two faced. And not giving the rights to others that we supposedly value. If we are truly wanting to help others have freedom. Shouldn't we do our best not restrict the voices of those who are trying to express their right to free expression. I agree their can be a fine line between free expression and terrorism at times. Having to judge where that line is crossed can be hard. But if America is truly free. Why should we be blocked from reading the thoughts of other citizens of the world? And why should they be silenced? This seems to be similar to what China does to it's population. I thought we as a nation were supposed to be against this type of thing. You can't get foreign email using Verizon. Your not going to be able to view some nations websites - even though they may not be controversial or support terrorism in any way. Has 1984 started to slip in a decade or two late?

"OH my, that was a tad dramatic! One would think we've gone and dumped our septic waste in their drinking water"

So your saying people that are being persecuted should have no voice? Those who are living in conditions that the world should know about. The world should not be allowed to learn of this? We should censor all forms of media? How do we know that if these people were able to gain host elsewhere. That we still wouldn't be blocked from reading the content? Why should we have to take steps such as proxies etc. Just to read others views. We shouldn't have to. This approach in the end will not make the world a safer place.
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said by Thaler See Profile:

Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days.
Diplomacy is overrated.
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said by aSic See Profile:

it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/
Let them try, we'll see how well "the rest of the world" responds to the next major natural disaster.
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said by Nerdtalker See Profile:

said by navalpatel See Profile:

Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well.
I agree. I'm still wondering why all the islamo-fascist websites that aired the beheading videos weren't DDOS'ed seconds after their releases.

Granted, I'm amazed and appalled at a lot of stuff.
because it's harder to get a large group of people pissed off if they can't see what is the catalyst.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475943 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:51:37 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475814 AtomicZero :
said by Thaler See Profile:

You're also talking about a country where we go and "liberate" those who we feel are oppressed. (just that you might have to replace "liberate" with "blow the s*** out of")

Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days.
*singing theme* Team America, F*ck You!!! :p

TEAM AMERICA, F@CK YOU....good times :)
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475814 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:37:48 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475716 Thaler : You're also talking about a country where we go and "liberate" those who we feel are oppressed. (just that you might have to replace "liberate" with "blow the s*** out of")

Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475716 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:26:25 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475678 DaSneaky1D : I wonder how useful "our internet" would be if it wasn't for a certain Finnish programmer? Or how useful it would be if other worldwide contributors were denied access to "our internet"?

And I thought China had a closed mind about things.

Now, if the country a business mainly operates in is told by that government to do something, that is one thing...but this has nothing to do with who the "Internet" supposedly belongs to.
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OH my, that was a tad dramatic! One would think we've gone and dumped our septic waste in their drinking water... I'm not too bright about business and contracts, but I'm assuming since the US is providing host service then they have the reserve to deny or refuse service. I'd like to think of it as this: if I committed some sort of infraction against my ISP or Web-hosting company, like say, not paying my bills then should I expect the service to be stopped? What can be said of BOMBING the country of that company?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475674 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:21:46 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475618 Nerdtalker :
said by navalpatel See Profile:

Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well.
I agree. I'm still wondering why all the islamo-fascist websites that aired the beheading videos weren't DDOS'ed seconds after their releases.

Granted, I'm amazed and appalled at a lot of stuff.
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Spam: 2785]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475618 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:15:14 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475596 woody7 :
said by navalpatel See Profile:

Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well.
It's not "our" internet, ours only extends to our physical borders.....and shutting someone down is not a power tool, it is blunt force
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BlooMe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475596 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:13:51 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475580 Thaler : However, if I remember my history correctly, the US military has fully backed out of the internet (aside from accessing webpages at computer terminals) and it lies fully in the domain of civilian use.

Now, wiether or not it's been passed onto UN control, or made into global ownership however, is up to debate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475580 Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:11:39 EDT Re: So? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12475573 aSic : It hasnt been our internet for many years now.

The issue now is if we (the US) keep doing stuff like this, it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/
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