The numbers just don't add up. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r12009360 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:03:40 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:03:40 EDT Re: The numbers just don't add up. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12020458 hurleyp : Well, I'm just over 5km from the CO. Now that's based on the most recent measurement, which was almost 2 years ago. Having had first-hand experience with these matters, it's entirely possible that I'm a different distance today. Regardless, it still looks like I'll be "too far" even for ADSL2+. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12020458 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:57:57 EDT Re: The numbers just don't add up. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12012648 MustardMan :
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Heck, I'd be happy if I just get DSL. Despite being in the city, I am "too far" from the CO. Does anyone know if this new "ADSL2+" has the same distance limits?
:hmm:
Copper is copper. The higher speed you want the less distance you can go. They are coming out with more efficient data compression/modulation but you can only do so much and you still have hard signal to noise limits you can't go below.

For ADSL you need to be within about 3miles of a CO or fiber/T1 termination. ADSL2+ is about twice the speed of ADSL so you need to be between 1 and 2 miles away. VDSL is currently about 16times faster than ADSL downloading with a theoretical limit of about 32 times faster. For 16times faster you need to be less than 1/2 mile from a CO or fiber/T1 termination. Practically speaking, they probably don't want to be beyond 1000feet. These are wire distances not as the bird flies distances. You may only be 1/2 mile from the CO but the wire distance could be 1 mile or more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12012648 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:29:07 EDT Re: The numbers just don't add up. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010815 Deadpool : That's what the VDSL service is: ExpressVu, Wireline and Sympatico all through one box (no sat dish required).

About 150 MDU's have it already, so no dish has to be installed. And 30 single home's are on the trial now also.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010815 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:08:07 EDT Re: The numbers just don't add up. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010735 MTC_Wes : The phone lines plugs into a dial up modem (in the receiver) DSL modems are a completely different animal.. So to answer your question "what's stopping it from being a VDSL line": The lack of a DSL modem or a Ethernet Adaptor for that matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010735 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:58:23 EDT Re: The numbers just don't add up. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010484 Simcoe : I wouldn't be surprised if Bell does have plans to combine Expressvu and VDSL together. Have Expressvu deliver the standard fare (including HDTV) and VDSL to deliver on-demand services plus other local and interactive content. The satellite receiver already plugs into the phone line, what's stopping it from being a VDSL line?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010484 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:30:05 EDT Re: The numbers just don't add up. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12009755 hurleyp : Heck, I'd be happy if I just get DSL. Despite being in the city, I am "too far" from the CO. Does anyone know if this new "ADSL2+" has the same distance limits?
:hmm:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12009755 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:00:59 EDT The numbers just don't add up. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12009360 MustardMan : I don't blame them for pursuing this because they pretty much have no choice if they want to remain competitive. When you look at the technical facts it just does not look very good for them though.

The MTS TV system in Manitoba uses VDSL and is only able to deliver 3 standard definition TV channels simultaneously. You gotta be within about half a mile or less of fibre otherwise the bandwidth drops right off so only about 40% of the people Manitoba's biggest city are able to subscribe currently after about a year of the start of the service. That means all rural and a lot of urban people won't be seeing it for quite some time.

Hmmmmm....3 standard TV channels that need an incredibly expensive infrastructure overhaul that will take many years using a system that uses M$ software(LOL) vs Cable that can deliver MUCH more bandwidth/services including HDTV right now with their current infrastructure to most urban and rural people!

I know who's stock I'm buying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12009360 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:12:05 EDT