Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper in Canadian Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r11903157 en Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:07:42 EDT Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:07:42 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12038539 chriskay :
said by petegh:

my big question is what will they be charging for these set top boxes ? The same as a tivo, or rent to you for like $20 a month?
It will be interesting to see the price point.

Interestingly enough, a few of the survey questions had to do with pricing. IIRC, one of them was along the lines of "would you use a service like this if it was priced the same as your current digital cable offering" (yes/no), the next was "would you use a service like this if it was $10 more per month than your current digital cable offering" (yes/no), and the next one was would you dish out if it was $20 more than digital cable. I said yes to the first two, but no to the last one.

-Chris]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12038539 Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:34:11 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12038058 anon : my big question is what will they be charging for these set top boxes ? The same as a tivo, or rent to you for like $20
a month?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12038058 Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:36:42 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010614 Simcoe :
said by nitzguy See Profile:



Decision by CRTC here:

One wonders about Shaw and Starchoice whether or not they cannibalize each other's subscribers.
They do, Shaw kept on calling me when I had *choice.

I'm sure it'll have some impact, but I'm sure if the customer cancels Expressvu and goes to Bell's VDSL service (or whatever they end up calling it) that Expressvu's Winback team would not call them....and vice versa ;)
I wouldn't be surprised that if initially their content was identical. I would think that it'll all be called Expressvu, just different "flavours" of Expressvu.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12010614 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:44:41 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12009611 HiVolt : Not everyone needs HDTV and stuff. I'd be perfectly happy with just one TV for my own use.
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The numbers just don't add up.

With DSL you have to be within about 3 miles of fibre or exchange building. With VDSL the theoretical distance is about 1 mile but practically it is less than about 1/2 mile if you want to do more than watch 1 channel simultaneously with high speed internet or whatever. Actually, to get the full theoretical limit of 54Mb/s of VDSL you have be within about 1000feet or less. No matter how you look at it, you have to be REAL close to fibre for VDSL to work well.

MTS in Manitoba has been running VDSL for about a year now I think. Currently, only about 40% of their biggest city can get the service. It has a limitation of 3 standard definition channels simultaneously.

Don't even get me started about set top boxes run with M$ software (LOL!). No matter how you slice it, it is going to be a looooong time and a lot of expensive infrastructure upgrading (and M$ software upgrading/bug fixing) before a system like this can compete with cable which has WAY more bandwidth capability and can reach WAY more people right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12009536 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:54 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12008886 Corvus : The end is a set-top box connected to the phone line with "usual" audio/viddeo outputs.
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said by Corvus See Profile:

It's based on current POTS lines! We can guess that if you have problems with DSL right now, you'll have problems with this too.
Okay so the medium of transmission is through the telephone lines. The "copper over wire" expression confused me.

Since I gave up cable a long time ago then what do you plug into your TV? What do the ends look like?

A telephone cable or a end that looks like coaxial cable? :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12008317 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:52:48 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12008224 Corvus :
said by Gundam_MX See Profile:

If Bell is going on copper now, would they have to install their own lines or are they going to use existing ones like Rogers?
It's based on current POTS lines! We can guess that if you have problems with DSL right now, you'll have problems with this too.
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said by Gundam_MX See Profile:

If Bell is going on copper now, would they have to install their own lines or are they going to use existing ones like Rogers?
You are confused. They already have copper going to every home in their service area. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12008207 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:39:32 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12008189 Gundam_MX : If Bell is going on copper now, would they have to install their own lines or are they going to use existing ones like Rogers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12008189 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:36:03 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12007887 SK : Well, people got tired of sitting and waiting. Having control over what you see on TV is a good thing. In the future, you'll be able to get everything on demand.

Yes this is the modern incarnation of WebTV. MS bought it a long time ago. This is a descendant of that.
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They should offer channels that other companies can't get.

Personally I think they should pick up some channels like G4techTV (same as US) and the Anime Network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12007865 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:58:46 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12007313 mr weather : Not meaning to sound like a carmudgeon... This interactive tv is all fine and good but whatever happened to the days when all I asked of tv was to sit there and provide entertainment without much input from me.

If I wanted to interact I'd go on my computer.

Is this the modern incarnation of Web TV that crashed and burned just before the dot-com bubble burst?
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EDIT: I HOPE I can become part of the trial! But I think it's already well underway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006571 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:36:15 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006485 SK : You should be!
Just kidding, so are you part of a trial?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006485 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:09:22 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006337 chriskay : There are also PVR functions, but I don't have the screenshot for that one. Sorry!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006337 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:30:31 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006260 SK : Mmm... me likey!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006260 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:13:37 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006089 chriskay : Here we go...
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006089 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:42:10 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006051 chriskay :
said by jeffster1970 See Profile:

Oh please let it be so!! It will be like, see ya later Rogers! Rogers is getting worse every day. Now the analog channels pixelate..ANALOG! What the hell? Only the true analog channels don't pixelate, they just get snowy every so often...
You must have a digital box. All of the lower channels which used to be analog are now swapped for a digital feed.

If you're getting pixelation, it probably means that your signal has degraded somewhere in your wiring. Call Rogers and they'll come over and probably install a signal booster for free. That fixed my problem.

-Chris]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006051 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:36:46 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12005833 nitzguy :
said by jeffster1970 See Profile:

Oh please let it be so!! It will be like, see ya later Rogers! Rogers is getting worse every day. Now the analog channels pixelate..ANALOG! What the hell? Only the true analog channels don't pixelate, they just get snowy every so often...
That simply means that they pull it from a Digital source and at some point its converted into an Analogue signal. Most companies will do that these days. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12005833 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:07:32 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12005717 shaner : Let's face it, with the number of people going wireless and the competition heating up for VoIP, this is a good way for Bell to continue to utilise the existing copper infrastructure they have built.
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said by chriskay See Profile:

I have screens if anyone is interested. Let me know and I'll post them.
Do you even have to ask :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12003139 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:58:39 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12001717 SK :
said by chriskay See Profile:

I have screens if anyone is interested. Let me know and I'll post them.
Please. Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12001717 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:59:08 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11999776 Corvus :
said by chriskay See Profile:

Not to resurrect an old topic, but...

Today I received some info about trials of the new service. It appears (from some screenshots) that it uses the MS Entertainment Centre platform,
Nice, it could hacked! :D
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Today I received some info about trials of the new service. It appears (from some screenshots) that it uses the MS Entertainment Centre platform, and it will include a lot of cool features... if it actually is released with all of them. Things like:

- the ability to check traffic cameras from your tv.
- being able to view instantaneous ratings of the shows that are on right now (i.e. "15% of viewers are watching X").
- call display on the screen
- video conferencing through your tv/phone line
- order products through the tv (i.e. pizza)
- the ability to customize your tv guide info
- being able to add different people so that everyone who uses the tv has their customized viewing settings
- ability to add to your home network
- tv recommendations (a la TiVo).
- you can play along with your favourite game shows
- video on demand
- PVR service
- remote management (through mobile phone or Internet).
- multiple camera angles for sporting events
- ability to check voice mail on your home phone and mobile phone, text messages, and emails.
- can order/change your service and check your bill.

Whew. That's a lot. I have a feeling that it's just a "feeler" and that many of those features would not be available right from the start.

I have screens if anyone is interested. Let me know and I'll post them.

-Chris]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11997721 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 02:46:18 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11910066 dirtyjeffer :
said by Snickerdo See Profile:

said by dirtyjeffer See Profile:

bell released a statement the other day where they are testing FTTH...it was a 40mbps connection...i wish i could have got in on that trial.
Aren't they doing the FTTH trials in London?
no, i think it was only in TO somewhere.
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said by dirtyjeffer See Profile:

bell released a statement the other day where they are testing FTTH...it was a 40mbps connection...i wish i could have got in on that trial.
Aren't they doing the FTTH trials in London?
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said by mr weather See Profile:

My regular Sympatico is pretty stable. But to carry video they'll have to deploy a boatload more Stingers.

Hell, when they increased Ultra to 4 meg a lot of previously happy Ultra users couldn't handle the new speed.
That, or FOTC, which would the smarter alternative.
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said by nitzguy See Profile:

I think because they were heavily regulated back then :)

Since there was no other option their service had to be amazing or otherwise the government may have sanctioned
them? :)

With more competition they're hoping that maybe the market forces will drive service. 12 and 5pm...I wish that was mine, mine was 9am to 9pm :o
it probably had more to do with the profitability of the service back then...when there was only bell canada, they received ALL the local and long distance revneues...since there are many companies now, their revenues and profits have dwindled in that area...a lot of costs were cut to still maintain profitability in that area, and "customer service features" like "immediate response", bill payment offices and cheap STS feature prices went with it as customers chose the lowest price, without any regard for world class service.
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Hell, when they increased Ultra to 4 meg a lot of previously happy Ultra users couldn't handle the new speed.
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Since there was no other option their service had to be amazing or otherwise the government may have sanctioned
them? :)

With more competition they're hoping that maybe the market forces will drive service. 12 and 5pm...I wish that was mine, mine was 9am to 9pm :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11905318 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:44:37 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11904829 donoreo :
said by mr weather See Profile:

Back in the day when I lived at home my folks had phone troubles. They called 611 from a neighbour's house and literally within an hour a tech was out to fix the problem. My experience recently? "Oh, we'll send someone around tomorrow between 12 and 5". :p

But I digress.
Oddly, they used to have better service when they were a monopoly.
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said by donoreo See Profile:

LifeLine (LOL, this one kills me - that is the wire line POTS phone service)
Should be wireline POS phone service, given the experience I had a few months ago.

Back in the day when I lived at home my folks had phone troubles. They called 611 from a neighbour's house and literally within an hour a tech was out to fix the problem. My experience recently? "Oh, we'll send someone around tomorrow between 12 and 5". :p

But I digress.
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My friends down in Nevada have 90 cable channels (wich is basic cable btw) for 8,50USD/month because there is so much competition... we pay about 45$+ a month for about 50channels... and some a dupes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11903372 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:42 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-copper http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11903330 nitzguy :
said by mr weather See Profile:

Decision by CRTC here:

»www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decis···-496.htm

So looks like Bell can start rolling out it's television distribution services. Of course the cable tv industry objected, but for once the CRTC used common sense (yeah, hard to believe I know). Having a wireline competitor for CATV is a good thing.

This is a service above and beyond the current "condo" VDSL.

But I have to wonder if it'll gut some of ExpressVu's subs? Sure they're all under the BCE umbrella but technically they're separate companies.
One wonders about Shaw and Starchoice whether or not they cannibalize each other's subscribers.

I'm sure it'll have some impact, but I'm sure if the customer cancels Expressvu and goes to Bell's VDSL service (or whatever they end up calling it) that Expressvu's Winback team would not call them....and vice versa ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11903330 Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:57:22 EDT Re: Bell Canada gets green light for tv-over-coppe http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11903203 donoreo :
said by mr weather See Profile:

But I have to wonder if it'll gut some of ExpressVu's subs? Sure they're all under the BCE umbrella but technically they're separate companies.
Not anymore. ExpressVu was fully "assimilated" (Bell's term) earlier this year. They are now just another business unit like Mobility, Sympatico, and LifeLine (LOL, this one kills me - that is the wire line POTS phone service)
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»www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decis···-496.htm

So looks like Bell can start rolling out it's television distribution services. Of course the cable tv industry objected, but for once the CRTC used common sense (yeah, hard to believe I know). Having a wireline competitor for CATV is a good thing.

This is a service above and beyond the current "condo" VDSL.

But I have to wonder if it'll gut some of ExpressVu's subs? Sure they're all under the BCE umbrella but technically they're separate companies.
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